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CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« on: June 27, 2013, 06:42:21 PM »

Take it for what it's worth, but I remember reading an article in 2005 that said Route 11 would begin construction in 2011.

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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2013, 06:46:27 PM »

Trying to figure out what they mean by "tolling the interchange," because it's presented separately from "tolling the extension." Are they trying to stick tolls on I-95 and I-395?

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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 08:38:45 PM »

From The Day article:
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The DOT is studying the environmental, engineering and financial effects of adding 8.5 miles to Route 11, which now ends in Salem, and building an interchange with routes 95 and 395 at its proposed terminus. Construction on the route's extension through Salem, Montville, East Lyme and Waterford halted in the 1970s.

Why does this need to be studied again?  I mean, come on... this has been going on since the 70s.  Build the damn road already and stop wasting money on all these damn studies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 09:10:41 PM »

Trying to figure out what they mean by "tolling the interchange," because it's presented separately from "tolling the extension." Are they trying to stick tolls on I-95 and I-395?

Connecticut has been discussing (re)tolling of the old Connecticut Turnpike for quite a few years now.  Presumably they would go with all-electronic toll collection.

I never drove the I-95 section of the Connecticut Turnpike between New Haven and East Lyme when it was tolled (and I have never driven the I-395 portion).  But I understand it was very much like the section between the New York state line and I-91 with a series of barrier tolls (which I drove when  it was tolled, I think it was 25 per barrier for cars).

Rather like the Garden State Parkway when all of its toll barriers were two-way and there was no E-ZPass.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 09:13:20 PM »

From The Day article:
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The DOT is studying the environmental, engineering and financial effects of adding 8.5 miles to Route 11, which now ends in Salem, and building an interchange with routes 95 and 395 at its proposed terminus. Construction on the route's extension through Salem, Montville, East Lyme and Waterford halted in the 1970s.

Why does this need to be studied again?  I mean, come on... this has been going on since the 70s.  Build the damn road already and stop wasting money on all these damn studies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It took us three environmental impact (NEPA) studies (one in the 1980's, one in the 1990's and finally one in the 2000's) and one federal lawsuit (dismissed by the federal judge that heard the case) before Maryland got approval to build Route 200 (ICC), which is only between 15 and 20 miles long.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 10:14:25 PM »

Route 11 being built? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!    We'll land on Mars before CT finishes that highway.  Every 10 years we pay for a new study, everyone agrees the road is needed, congress even "fast tracks" it, and still nothing will be done. 

Just build it, or don't.  Stop this endless planning.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2013, 08:40:43 AM »

Connecticut has been discussing (re)tolling of the old Connecticut Turnpike for quite a few years now.  Presumably they would go with all-electronic toll collection.

I never drove the I-95 section of the Connecticut Turnpike between New Haven and East Lyme when it was tolled (and I have never driven the I-395 portion).  But I understand it was very much like the section between the New York state line and I-91 with a series of barrier tolls (which I drove when  it was tolled, I think it was 25 per barrier for cars).

Rather like the Garden State Parkway when all of its toll barriers were two-way and there was no E-ZPass.
Correct, the CT Turnpike toll barrier setup was exactly like what existed along the Garden State Parkway at the time.  If memory serves, the barriers long the Turnpike were closer to each other distancewise than those on the Garden State Parkway.  Which was one reason why the road was continuously jammed w/traffic and that infamous multi-vehicle pile-up at a toll booth circa 1983 (that triggered CT to ban toll booths for all roads about 2 years later) was an accident just waiting to happen.

As we all know, EZ-Pass & Electornic tolling wouldn't come into existence until decades later.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2013, 10:48:53 AM »

I wouldn't be surprised if once again this failed to see the light of day! Remember, this is the same state that got lots of road projects around its own capital cancelled decades ago (I-84 to Providence, I-291 West, and I-484 come to mind).
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2013, 10:21:07 PM »

CT11 or Super 7? Which one gets built first? Or better yet, OJ Simpson being freed or either being built?
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2013, 11:58:52 PM »

CT11 or Super 7? Which one gets built first? Or better yet, OJ Simpson being freed or either being built?

The Cubs will win a World Series before either is built.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2013, 12:59:32 AM »

Super 7 is slightly more likely
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2013, 08:48:46 AM »

Super 7 is slightly more likely

No way. Too many affluent people living in its path which has been the blockade over the years. If they can block CL&P from running power lines to improve the electrical infrastructure (you know the thing those same people complained about with the storms over the past couple years when they were without power for a week), they can stop a highway and will. Super 7 will never be built - the widening project was the compromise. Route 11 could get done, but deep down I don't think the state has the appetite for it. We're done with highway building in the state. More money will be sunk into mass transit than adding lane-miles.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2013, 01:32:20 PM »

In decreasing order of probability:
* Whalers return
* CT 11 completed
* Rihanna records a song in 5/4
* US 6 from Bolton to Columbia
* Sox - Yankees merger
* US 7 from Norwalk to Danbury
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2013, 02:51:37 PM »

Wonder if it would make more sense at this point, if it doesn't get built, to abandon Route 11 and send "NEW LONDON" bound traffic further east along Route 2 to Norwich, then down the turnpike to Route 32.  Actually, I'm quite surprised that ConnDOT hasn't replaced the "NEW LONDON" control point for Route 11 with a "SALEM" overlay. 

Of course part of the problem is that Route 2->Route 11 is the advertised way to New London all the way up in Hartford. 

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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2013, 03:29:44 PM »

Route 11 being built? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!    We'll land on Mars before CT finishes that highway.  Every 10 years we pay for a new study, everyone agrees the road is needed, congress even "fast tracks" it, and still nothing will be done. 

Just build it, or don't.  Stop this endless planning.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2013, 03:59:01 PM »

It's too bad there wasn't a wealthy benefactor that could pay for the whole thing in exchange for naming rights to the highway.  I don't think anyone would mind riding down the Bill Gates Expressway if it meant an easier way to get from Hartford to New London!
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2013, 06:06:39 PM »

It's too bad there wasn't a wealthy benefactor that could pay for the whole thing in exchange for naming rights to the highway.  I don't think anyone would mind riding down the Bill Gates Expressway if it meant an easier way to get from Hartford to New London!
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2018, 06:21:59 PM »

CT11 or Super 7? Which one gets built first? Or better yet, OJ Simpson being freed or either being built?

The Cubs will win a World Series before either is built.

You got that one spot on.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2018, 06:29:09 PM »

CT11 or Super 7? Which one gets built first? Or better yet, OJ Simpson being freed or either being built?

The Cubs will win a World Series before either is built.

And OJ is free too.  Ill change OJ to Mark David Chapman, and hell still get paroled before CT 11 is completed.

You got that one spot on.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2018, 09:32:38 PM »

There's a better chance of that stretch south of 82 being built as a bicycle trail to 85.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2018, 09:47:35 PM »

There's a better chance of that stretch south of 82 being built as a bicycle trail to 85.

It's pretty safe to say that extending Route 11 to I-95 will not happen. Ironically, a lot of folks along the 82/85 corridor support Route 11, but there's no money to build it. Even if there was money to extend Route 11, the EPA has made it clear that it will do whatever it can to block the extension from ever getting through the environmental clearance and permitting process.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2018, 10:03:19 PM »

What environmental issues? OpenStreetMap and Apple Maps don't show the path going through any protected areas. Google Maps shows one, but the ROW is already cleared along it, as it's the part that is adjacent to the current end of CT 11.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2018, 11:25:48 PM »

What environmental issues? OpenStreetMap and Apple Maps don't show the path going through any protected areas. Google Maps shows one, but the ROW is already cleared along it, as it's the part that is adjacent to the current end of CT 11.

The EPA's New England Office has been universally opposed to any new-terrain highway construction for as long as I can remember. Since the EPA can block the issuance of necessary permits to begin construction, the EPA's arbitrary opposition is enough to completely derail a major highway project. History speaks to this quite well: the cancelled Route 6 bypass through Andover, Bolton and Coventry; the Nashua (New Hampshire) Circumferential Highway; Super-7; just to name a few highway projects that fell victim to EPA objections.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2018, 01:33:49 AM »

Seriously, I could go up there right now armed with a pickaxe and a shovel and build it myself, and it still wouldn't take as long.
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Re: CT-11 Expressway to start in 2020?
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2018, 07:02:00 AM »

There's a better chance of that stretch south of 82 being built as a bicycle trail to 85.

It's pretty safe to say that extending Route 11 to I-95 will not happen. Ironically, a lot of folks along the 82/85 corridor support Route 11, but there's no money to build it. Even if there was money to extend Route 11, the EPA has made it clear that it will do whatever it can to block the extension from ever getting through the environmental clearance and permitting process.

We do have a different environment (no pun intended) at the EPA right now that may have a looser approach to new freeway construction.
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