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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #1375 on: September 22, 2022, 09:14:31 AM »

I should also note that I was hit by a car once in a RTOR on red situation. I was in the crosswalk on a bike, with the permissive pedestrian signal. The driver, at the red, was looking to her left to see for an opening to make her RTOR, but never bothered to look ahead to see for pedestrians with the right-of-way (i.e. myself).

I wasn't hurt, although my bike was a little damaged. It was really eye-opening, because I think she meant well and was a fairly responsible driver. What it taught me is that in busier urban intersections with pedestrians, it's very hard to process all of the information to make a safe RTOR.

My own policy preference is no RTOR during daytime/working hours, such as 7 AM - 7 PM.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #1376 on: September 22, 2022, 09:56:17 AM »

Never understood the RTOR fuel savings argument. By that logic, why shouldn't a motorist be able to perform a LTOR, or a straight-on-red, presuming the coast is clear?

I never did either but this was all part of the same era as the National 55 law or the purge to self serve ( minus NJ and OR).

I think this has to do with safety of pedestrians and cyclists as itís now harder than ever for autos and bikes to cohabitate than it was forty years ago.  I used to ride in the streets with no worries. Now I use the sidewalks for the unawareness of todayís motorists.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #1377 on: September 22, 2022, 11:54:50 AM »

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My own policy preference is no RTOR during daytime/working hours, such as 7 AM - 7 PM.

As I'm sure you know, that's quite common in some parts of Northern Virginia. Alexandria, of course, sometimes prohibits turns on red when pedestrians are present. I don't love that arrangement because it's not always entirely clear what it means for a pedestrian to be "present," and I think it sometimes results in an unnecessary prohibition if a pedestrian is very clearly waiting to cross in a direction that would not come in conflict with the turn on red. (One location that comes to mind is the traffic light outside the Whole Foods on Duke Street. If a pedestrian is clearly waiting to cross Holland Lane to the Whole Foods and there is no other pedestrian present, there's little reason to prohibit someone waiting on Holland at the red light from turning right on red onto Duke Street.)

I can think of some places where restrictions at hours other than 7 AM to 7 PM might be preferable. Sports venues like Nationals Park, where the overwhelming majority of games are night games and where there's relatively low pedestrian volume during most daytime hours during the week, would be an example of a place where some other range of hours might be preferable.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #1378 on: September 22, 2022, 12:06:32 PM »

Yes, which is why I think the time-based policy is better than the subjective policy.

Fun fact- at the intersection of N Jordan and Taney Ave (Foxchase area), there's a "No Turn on Red When Crossing Guard Present". Not sure if I've ever seen that one before.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #1379 on: September 22, 2022, 10:43:16 PM »

I should also note that I was hit by a car once in a RTOR on red situation. I was in the crosswalk on a bike, with the permissive pedestrian signal. The driver, at the red, was looking to her left to see for an opening to make her RTOR, but never bothered to look ahead to see for pedestrians with the right-of-way (i.e. myself).

I wasn't hurt, although my bike was a little damaged. It was really eye-opening, because I think she meant well and was a fairly responsible driver. What it taught me is that in busier urban intersections with pedestrians, it's very hard to process all of the information to make a safe RTOR.

My own policy preference is no RTOR during daytime/working hours, such as 7 AM - 7 PM.
Was this an all-red phase for pedestrians? I would support NTOR during the ped phase and TOR during car phase.
EDIT: Wait, this was probably you crossing directly in front of the car. Driver's fault 200%.

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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #1380 on: September 23, 2022, 05:58:58 PM »

Here's the intersection where it happened: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8400314,-77.1056783,3a,75y,271.85h,83.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCz5yEOtrJJnKjxw3FMQ3jA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Me: Traveling along the sidewalk on the south side of King Street, heading eastbound across 28th Street.
The cycle was in my favor (green for cars, "WALK" for pedestrians).

Her: Turning right from South 28th Street onto westbound King Street.
The cycle was not in her favor (red). Furthermore, she had a "No Right On Red When Pedestrians Present).

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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #1381 on: October 05, 2022, 12:49:08 PM »

Speaking of I-195, does anyone know anything at all about the status of that change? There have been so many sign replacements in DC over the past couple of years that I would have figured that would have been part of them.

One of the great mysteries of the universe. New I-695 signage went up on I-395 after the renumbering was approved, so who knows when it'll actually happen?

Can confirm as of last night driving to & from Capital One Arena that I-395 & I-695 continue to be signed in their current configurations.

And as a side note for those that regularly drive DC 295: The speed cameras appear to have been shifted around recently. The very-well-known one SB immediately before the I-295/695 interchange has been removed, and a new one SB before Benning Rd has sprouted up in its place.  It also appears the NB one by the Eastern Ave/Quarles St offramp has been removed, leaving one also by Benning Rd.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #1382 on: October 06, 2022, 07:39:42 AM »

I drove into DC for a concert at the Anthem last night and I can confirm that the I-395/I-695 signs are still as they were and also, somehow, the ancient sign for 12th Street on the ramp from I-395 to the tunnel somehow remains in place despite all the other sign replacements and despite having lost most of its green surface.

I parked at L'Enfant Plaza because itís around $15 cheaper than parking at the Wharf. Aside from the last part of the walk back (down under the L'Enfant Promenade) being a little creepy at 11:20 at night, it was a good place to park and an easy walk. As a bonus, parking there let me see these two old favorites that remain in place (with the now very rare "District of Columbia" in the shields, too). Iíve always wondered why some old signs use hyphens for the street name. I wonder whether itís just to provide a visual separator for the single letter. My grandparents lived on a numbered street in Brooklyn and they wrote their address like that with a hyphen to separate the house number from the street name.



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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #1383 on: October 06, 2022, 04:51:01 PM »

If someone stole those signs (posibbly a local road geek looking for a souvenir), would they even be replaced? Those signs look like signs-that-time-forgot.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #1384 on: November 17, 2022, 09:12:48 PM »

DC's Infrastructure Plans Include Moving I-295 Underground, Redesigning North Capitol Street

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dcs-major-infrastructure-plans-include-moving-i-295-underground-redesigning-north-capitol-street/3212071/

i think NBC4 meant DC-295, they mix that up constantly
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #1385 on: December 02, 2022, 05:54:01 AM »

I drove into DC for a concert at the Anthem last night and I can confirm that the I-395/I-695 signs are still as they were and also, somehow, the ancient sign for 12th Street on the ramp from I-395 to the tunnel somehow remains in place despite all the other sign replacements and despite having lost most of its green surface.

I parked at L'Enfant Plaza because itís around $15 cheaper than parking at the Wharf. Aside from the last part of the walk back (down under the L'Enfant Promenade) being a little creepy at 11:20 at night, it was a good place to park and an easy walk. As a bonus, parking there let me see these two old favorites that remain in place (with the now very rare "District of Columbia" in the shields, too). Iíve always wondered why some old signs use hyphens for the street name. I wonder whether itís just to provide a visual separator for the single letter. My grandparents lived on a numbered street in Brooklyn and they wrote their address like that with a hyphen to separate the house number from the street name.





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