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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4125 on: December 04, 2022, 09:55:25 PM »

What's the significance of this "SJTA Starts" sign at the US 30 / I-676 split in Camden? https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474442,-75.1171614,3a,19y,143.8h,86.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGmqVLDDM6XIsUxr6gF6BkA!2e0!5s20220701T000000!7i16384!8i8192
To my knowledge the SJTA doesn't have any assets in the area. Does SJTA stand for something else here? There is a corresponding "SJTA Ends" sign in the other direction. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474846,-75.1167168,3a,44.2y,323.63h,79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sa-txJ-o_rYEuM0BPzvqDwg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
And speaking of that area, who is this oddly placed "Welcome to New Jersey" sign meant to be for?
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9468104,-75.1153028,3a,30.9y,84.78h,88.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdRQ1FkzB7dYkiqCDE_Oz4g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

That's an interesting question. Per the SLDs, SJTA does have some jurisdiction over Rt 30, but only its last mile or so in Atlantic City. Aside from the shared bit with 676 that's DRPA jurisdiction, NJDOT says that the rest of the roadway is under their jurisdiction. Very curious.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4126 on: December 04, 2022, 10:40:22 PM »

What's the significance of this "SJTA Starts" sign at the US 30 / I-676 split in Camden? https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474442,-75.1171614,3a,19y,143.8h,86.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGmqVLDDM6XIsUxr6gF6BkA!2e0!5s20220701T000000!7i16384!8i8192
To my knowledge the SJTA doesn't have any assets in the area. Does SJTA stand for something else here? There is a corresponding "SJTA Ends" sign in the other direction. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474846,-75.1167168,3a,44.2y,323.63h,79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sa-txJ-o_rYEuM0BPzvqDwg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
And speaking of that area, who is this oddly placed "Welcome to New Jersey" sign meant to be for?
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9468104,-75.1153028,3a,30.9y,84.78h,88.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdRQ1FkzB7dYkiqCDE_Oz4g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

That's an interesting question. Per the SLDs, SJTA does have some jurisdiction over Rt 30, but only its last mile or so in Atlantic City. Aside from the shared bit with 676 that's DRPA jurisdiction, NJDOT says that the rest of the roadway is under their jurisdiction. Very curious.

Many years ago, I'm going to say sometime between 2000 - 2010, NJDOT agreed to allow the SJTA to plant and maintain flowers, shrubbery and other 'maintenance' along NJ 42. 

I'm not sure if this relates to that or expands that.  There's very little that the SJTA can do along I-676 and I-76 due to sound barriers and other limitations.  These signs are on the US 30 MPs, and if it pertains to a similar program along US 30, I can't find anything about it.  The SJTA's press release section seems to be updated when someone remembers to add something to it.  The 'History and Milestones' section talks about everything under the sun until 2011, then zip for the past 11 years.

That 'Welcome to New Jersey' sign I believe originated from around 1999/2000 when the Republican National Convention was in Philly, and Gov. Whitman at the time wanted to spruce up the US 30 Admiral Wilson Blvd "Gateway" area which was home to numerous strip bars and other low-quality businesses.  As seen in that picture, the sign is decent enough still, and has been updated with a (partially hidden) website apparently between 2009-2011 per GSV history, but otherwise could use a bit more sprucing up in that area.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4127 on: December 05, 2022, 10:33:48 AM »

That 'Welcome to New Jersey' sign [...] could use a bit more sprucing up in that area.

That's an understatement IMO.

Anyone remember the "New Jersey Welcomes Safe Drivers" signs?
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4128 on: December 05, 2022, 09:32:21 PM »

That 'Welcome to New Jersey' sign [...] could use a bit more sprucing up in that area.

That's an understatement IMO.

Anyone remember the "New Jersey Welcomes Safe Drivers" signs?

I do.

I believe the Wipers on signs replaced them now.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4129 on: December 05, 2022, 09:42:35 PM »

Anyone remember when this used to be US 30?
https://goo.gl/maps/oVX7J3m13VumkwTw6

Prior to I-676, US 30 had the same situation NJ 139 has now going from expressway to a river crossing in Jersey City. A one way couplet connected the Adm. Wilson Blvd expressway with the Ben Franklin Bridge as does NJ 139 with the Holland Tunnel in another part of the state.

Penn Street was for EB US 30 and was most likely given a road diet when the present US 30 was built right next to it.  Currently Penn Street is not as wide as Linden Street, but was equal in traffic counts once upon a time.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4130 on: December 06, 2022, 07:03:28 PM »

What's the significance of this "SJTA Starts" sign at the US 30 / I-676 split in Camden? https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474442,-75.1171614,3a,19y,143.8h,86.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGmqVLDDM6XIsUxr6gF6BkA!2e0!5s20220701T000000!7i16384!8i8192
To my knowledge the SJTA doesn't have any assets in the area. Does SJTA stand for something else here? There is a corresponding "SJTA Ends" sign in the other direction. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474846,-75.1167168,3a,44.2y,323.63h,79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sa-txJ-o_rYEuM0BPzvqDwg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
And speaking of that area, who is this oddly placed "Welcome to New Jersey" sign meant to be for?
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9468104,-75.1153028,3a,30.9y,84.78h,88.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdRQ1FkzB7dYkiqCDE_Oz4g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

That's an interesting question. Per the SLDs, SJTA does have some jurisdiction over Rt 30, but only its last mile or so in Atlantic City. Aside from the shared bit with 676 that's DRPA jurisdiction, NJDOT says that the rest of the roadway is under their jurisdiction. Very curious.

So a bit of research brought me to at least some generic info on it.

In 2020 a resolution was passed for 'maintenance' services on 676 and 30.  It doesn't describe the maintenance that will be performed, although by its reading it does seem to stay away from construction and other high-dollar costs.  But considering these routes "feeder roads" is probably a bit of a stretch, considering the distance between their maintenance jurisdiction and the actual Expresssway.  Google research seems to show that this didn't generate any media attention.  I have a guy I'll reach out to, in case he may be interested in trying to do a little research on it.

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RESOLUTION 2020-127 OF THE SOUTH JERSEY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT WITH NEW JERSEY DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION REGARDING THE COMPLETION OF MAINTENANCE SERVICES ON ROUTE 30 (MILE POST 0.92 TO MILE POST 4.20) AND INTERSTATE 676 (MILE POST 0.00 TO 3.50)

Pursuant to Section 7(p) of the Act, the Authority has the power to acquire, construct, maintain or operate any public highway connecting with any one or more projects which in the opinion of the Authority will increase the use of a project or projects, to take over for construction, maintenance or operation any existing public highway as a feeder road and to realign any existing public highway and build additional sections of road over new alignment in connection with that existing public highway. The New Jersey Department of Transportation (ďNJDOTĒ), under the powers vested in the law, N.J.S.A. 27:1A-5 and N.J.S.A. 27:7-21, and the Authority, pursuant to its powers under the Act, have mutual interest in entering into an agreement for the initiation and completion of maintenance services (the ďAgreementĒ) on Route 30 (ďRt. 30Ē) (Mile Post 0.92 to 4.20) and Interstate 676 (ďI-676Ē) (Mile Post 0.00 to 3.50). Pursuant to the Agreement, NJDOT will continue to perform certain maintenance activities on Rt. 30 and I-676, but the Authority will begin to perform maintenance services on Rt. 30 and I-676. The Director of Operations believes it to be in the best interest of the Authority and recommends entering into a contract with NJDOT for the Authority to initiate and complete maintenance services on Rt. 30 and I-676.

Since I was going across the bridge yesterday, I was on the lookout for these markers. Along with the signs on the US 30 MPs, there's this Start sign on I-676 South just after the 676/30 split.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/qjhPSPm1gDank8kb9

And an End sign just before the 676/76 merge.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/hXZ459GWbsh6MXNq6

North I-676, Same:

SJTA Starts:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/gdofFemAGy558xzHA

SJTA Ends: I-676
https://maps.app.goo.gl/tAfNnbrfjqKLQ5kC9
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4132 on: December 12, 2022, 09:12:51 AM »

Anytime a toll is removed for cyber technology. Itís old news.  Expect all toll roads to be this way.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4133 on: December 16, 2022, 02:29:06 AM »

Prepare to pay more to cross from NJ to NY:

Port Authority approves toll hikes as part of budget

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E-ZPass tolls during off-peak hours will rise to $12.75, from $11.75.
E-ZPass tolls during peak hours will rise to $14.75, from $13.75.
Tolls delivered by mail will rise to $17, up from $16.

Makes me glad I almost never have to drive to the city, between the ever increasing PANYNJ tolls and all the NY agencies practicing transponder discrimination.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4134 on: December 16, 2022, 11:00:59 AM »

PANYNJ & MTA are the Mob :-D Nothing new.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4135 on: December 16, 2022, 06:10:01 PM »

Anytime a toll is removed for cyber technology. Itís old news. 

To you, maybe, Roadman.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4136 on: December 19, 2022, 01:46:20 PM »

Anytime a toll is removed for cyber technology. Itís old news. 

To you, maybe, Roadman.

Itís an expression.  It means tolls being removed has been a long term plan for a while and little by little they have been being phased out. Itís just a matter of time before it hits the Garden State completely.

Donít expect cash tolls to be forever or consider buying swampland in Arizona.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4137 on: December 27, 2022, 11:36:33 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/8qgWUvEhWRuLUMoF8
This is different. After visiting my aunt who lived near US 22 in Bridgewater, seeing both Clinton and Easton was common on US 22 guides in the Bridgewater area as well as nearby Readington and Whitehouse for control destinations for US 22 WB.

However, never saw Clinton and Easton being signed in opposing directions like in this image.


https://goo.gl/maps/ChyYLeWbbXBCss5N9
Why doesn’t NJDOT maintain I-78 west of Exit 3 in Still Valley? I see this sign has the EB Exit 3 ramp noted for being in their jurisdiction some 3 miles away from the bridge they own. I believe the mainline freeway has a similar sign denoting the change from DRJTBC to NJDOT that I saw over 33 years ago after I-78 opened there.


Fun Fact:
https://goo.gl/maps/ywdi9A58ruJJ9GpBA
This used to be the carriage way of US 22 WB into the long defunct Still Valley Circle where the US 22 and NJ 122 intersection is now operating.  Motorists traveling west into the circle on US 22 would see the Great Sign of the former Holiday Inn that was where the furniture store and Aldi Market now stand on the Western quadrant of the US 22 and NJ 122 intersection.

The Holiday Inn later became an investment of Fighter Larry Holmes and renamed The Commodore Inn. Holmes, as many maybe aware was a nearby resident of Easton, PA and was diversifying his assets and briefly dabbled in the hospitality industry using the hotel as an investment. In addition Walmart used to be a regional department store called Laneco.

The current Exit 3 was also a wye interchange hence the abandoned US 22 roadway in the aforementioned link as originally in the 1960’s when that part of I-78 was built, engineers envisioned a different interchange at that location and stubs were indeed left behind at the former wye for the extension into PA that was built nearly three decades later.

Also up until the early nineties, NJ 122 was US 22 ALT. It may still be too as last request to AASHTO was in 1971 circa for US 206 to be realigned in Netcong, so as far as ASHTO is concerned that Alternate bannered route is still alive and well.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4138 on: December 27, 2022, 01:31:25 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/ChyYLeWbbXBCss5N9
Why doesnít NJDOT maintain I-78 west of Exit 3 in Still Valley? I see this sign has the EB Exit 3 ramp noted for being in their jurisdiction some 3 miles away from the bridge they own. I believe the mainline freeway has a similar sign denoting the change from DRJTBC to NJDOT that I saw over 33 years ago after I-78 opened there.

I think that was part of the compromise of DRJTBC getting to toll the bridge...
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4139 on: January 18, 2023, 11:50:13 AM »

I see in Union, NJ on EB US 22 at the  U Turn east of NJ 82 is no longer going to be possible. Latest GSV images show new curbing on US 22 is realigning the left merge from NJ 82 WB to US 22 EB to a sooner location and no left exit from US 22 EB to the U Turn ramp to US 22 WB.

So no more u turn access to provide two of the missing moves at the US 22 and GSP interchange that relied on that particular ramp.  Typical NJ for you. 
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4140 on: January 18, 2023, 05:58:04 PM »

The whole area is under construction at the moment. The U-Turn is closed because it isn't possible to keep it open while half an overpass is missing. The Vauxhall Rd. interchange got some improvements and seems to be handling the u-turning traffics without a problem.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4141 on: January 19, 2023, 05:18:12 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/AkchD7dwXDprRGw66
Found an old Milemarker in Springfield from when NJ 124 was NJ 24. It looks like NJDOT forgot about it and itís still there to this day stating at Phillipsburg was once the zero mm for the route.

Even as late as the 1980s, these signs were still being used for mile posts until the word mile ( and now the route number)was added.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4142 on: January 19, 2023, 07:43:36 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/AkchD7dwXDprRGw66
Found an old Milemarker in Springfield from when NJ 124 was NJ 24. It looks like NJDOT forgot about it and itís still there to this day stating at Phillipsburg was once the zero mm for the route.

Even as late as the 1980s, these signs were still being used for mile posts until the word mile ( and now the route number)was added.

I wish NJDOT would post "Historic Route 24" signs along all of its old alignment west of Morristown.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4143 on: January 23, 2023, 12:54:18 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/AkchD7dwXDprRGw66
Found an old Milemarker in Springfield from when NJ 124 was NJ 24. It looks like NJDOT forgot about it and itís still there to this day stating at Phillipsburg was once the zero mm for the route.

Even as late as the 1980s, these signs were still being used for mile posts until the word mile ( and now the route number)was added.

I wish NJDOT would post "Historic Route 24" signs along all of its old alignment west of Morristown.


Through Mendham and Chester it would fit in with the Colonial Downtowns both communities have.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4144 on: January 23, 2023, 12:58:33 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/HXBNoEYzmjsUQCHg8

I’m not sure I like this APL used on Route 7 in Kearny as part of the Wittpenn replacement project.


It lists CR 508 as I-280 and the NJ Turnpike as it’s missing “ TO” banners. Plus wasn’t CR 506 truncated to Belleville years ago?  According to this CR 506 still overlaps with NJ 7.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4145 on: January 23, 2023, 02:32:47 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/HXBNoEYzmjsUQCHg8

Iím not sure I like this APL used on Route 7 in Kearny as part of the Wittpenn replacement project.


It lists CR 508 as I-280 and the NJ Turnpike as itís missing ď TOĒ banners. Plus wasnít CR 506 truncated to Belleville years ago?  According to this CR 506 still overlaps with NJ 7.

Yeah, it seems even weirder since the follow on sign (which is older) is this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7468276,-74.0961625,3a,75y,295.78h,86.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9AelQLzaCcV7Bi4-zMk7_w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4146 on: January 23, 2023, 02:50:43 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/HXBNoEYzmjsUQCHg8

Iím not sure I like this APL used on Route 7 in Kearny as part of the Wittpenn replacement project.


It lists CR 508 as I-280 and the NJ Turnpike as itís missing ď TOĒ banners. Plus wasnít CR 506 truncated to Belleville years ago?  According to this CR 506 still overlaps with NJ 7.

Yeah, it seems even weirder since the follow on sign (which is older) is this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7468276,-74.0961625,3a,75y,295.78h,86.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9AelQLzaCcV7Bi4-zMk7_w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

NJDOT somewhat routinely leaves off "TO" for routes not directly connected. 

The APL appears to have been added in 2020.  Notice off to the right signage was added, mostly hidden by the Stop sign, for "TO" 508 there.  Looking at the GSV in late 2020, that wasn't there then but does appear on the next GSV in 2021.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4147 on: January 23, 2023, 09:01:09 PM »

Typical sloppy NJDOT signing.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4148 on: January 24, 2023, 12:23:48 AM »

Typical sloppy NJDOT signing.
Yet there's still a sign that says "TOLL FREE KEEP MOVING"

What con-artists lol

They got it all screwed up. It should say: "TOLL FREE? KEEP MOVING!"

Oops, shouldn't have this DOT logo either.

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4149 on: January 24, 2023, 12:55:02 AM »

Typical sloppy NJDOT signing.

Yeah like the new NJ 440 signing in Perth Amboy or the guide signs on I-195 listing the next exit even if it is 6.5 miles away plus the TO NJ 29 thing on pull throughs because NJDOT feels like saying I-195 west to Trenton is a lie to drivers.
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