Changes to sports

[jp the roadgeek]

This would be more logical, plus save some rivalries:

Northeast: Pats, Jets, Giants, Bills
Atlantic: Eagles, Steelers, Ravens, Washington
Southeast: Dolphins, Bucs, Jags, Falcons
Mideast: Colts, Panthers, Browns, Bengals
North: Bears, Vikings, Packers, Lions
South: Saints, Texans, Cowboys, Titans
Southwest: Raiders, Cardinals, Rams, Chargers
Northwest: Broncos, Seahawks, Niners, Chiefs

[Roadgeekteen]

This would be more logical, plus save some rivalries:

Northeast: Pats, Jets, Giants, Bills
Atlantic: Eagles, Steelers, Ravens, Washington
Southeast: Dolphins, Bucs, Jags, Falcons
Mideast: Colts, Panthers, Browns, Bengals
North: Bears, Vikings, Packers, Lions
South: Saints, Texans, Cowboys, Titans
Southwest: Raiders, Cardinals, Rams, Chargers
Northwest: Broncos, Seahawks, Niners, Chiefs

Would love to humble the NJ Teams 4x a year.

[texaskdog]

I'd flipflop Cardinals/Raiders for Niners & Seahawks and flipflop Lions for Colts

[texaskdog]

The change that should be made to MLB is that Texas Rangers and Arizona Diamondbacks should swap leagues, so their "natural rivals" would be Astros and Rockies.

AL and NL are going to go away before too long anyway. Just need a few more of the old school owners who are against it to sell/die.

I wouldn't count on that. The two leagues have been competing against each other for 120 years, and it's worked well, so why mess with the formula? It would be like the NFL getting rid of the NFC and AFC, which I don't see happening anytime soon either. IOW, leave them as they are.

But Rangers and Astros shouldn't be in same division.

They shouldn't be in the same LEAGUE. The Astros were a National League team for many years. I'm not a fan of this business of moving teams between leagues just to suit the commissioner's whims.

Yes they should.  Divisions should be the teams that are closest together.  Everyone plays everyone, there are no leagues anymore just conferences.  Yankees & Mets should play each other a lot too.  Make the playoffs seeded regardless of league so the best two teams can play.

[texaskdog]

Speaking of a change of which I just recently became aware, am I alone in thinking banning the defensive shift in baseball is one of the stupidest things ever?

Maybe batters should learn how to hit to the opposite field if they want to get on base, instead of banning the defense from shifting to playing against known pull hitters.

Smartest thing I've read all day.  if the hitter is that good he could just hit it where they aint!

[texaskdog]

In an effort to reduce travel costs and fatigue, I wish the NFL would divide the conferences to East and West.  Also New Jersey is one of the tiniest states in the country and does not need two teams; move one of them to a city in the Mountain or Pacific Time Zone. 

Northeast Division:  Boston, Buffalo, Philadelphia, and (Giants or Jets)
Mid-Atlantic Division:  Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Washington
Great Lakes Division:  Cleveland, Cinncinati, Detroit, Indianapolis,
Southeast Division:  Atlanta, Jacksonville, Miami, Tampa

North Central Division:  Chicago, Kansas City, Minnesota, Green Bay
South Central Division:  Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Tennessee
Southwest Division:  Los Angeles (Rams), Las Vegas, Phoenix, San Diego (Chargers)
Northwest Division:  Denver, San Francisco, Seattle, and (Giants or Jets)

And also go by actual city name instead of state name especially baseball.  What's wrong with calling them Denver Rockies?

Do not make us play the Eagles twice a year along with the Bills please. And these names suck, go back to original names. Boston Patriots died in 1970. And why are the Giants or Jets in the NORTHWEST Division? That makes no sense!

He just said move them to Portland

[Roadgeekteen]

In an effort to reduce travel costs and fatigue, I wish the NFL would divide the conferences to East and West.  Also New Jersey is one of the tiniest states in the country and does not need two teams; move one of them to a city in the Mountain or Pacific Time Zone. 

Northeast Division:  Boston, Buffalo, Philadelphia, and (Giants or Jets)
Mid-Atlantic Division:  Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Washington
Great Lakes Division:  Cleveland, Cinncinati, Detroit, Indianapolis,
Southeast Division:  Atlanta, Jacksonville, Miami, Tampa

North Central Division:  Chicago, Kansas City, Minnesota, Green Bay
South Central Division:  Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Tennessee
Southwest Division:  Los Angeles (Rams), Las Vegas, Phoenix, San Diego (Chargers)
Northwest Division:  Denver, San Francisco, Seattle, and (Giants or Jets)

And also go by actual city name instead of state name especially baseball.  What's wrong with calling them Denver Rockies?

Do not make us play the Eagles twice a year along with the Bills please. And these names suck, go back to original names. Boston Patriots died in 1970. And why are the Giants or Jets in the NORTHWEST Division? That makes no sense!

He just said move them to Portland

Nobodys moving a team from NYC to Goddamn Portland.

[texaskdog]

In an effort to reduce travel costs and fatigue, I wish the NFL would divide the conferences to East and West.  Also New Jersey is one of the tiniest states in the country and does not need two teams; move one of them to a city in the Mountain or Pacific Time Zone. 

Northeast Division:  Boston, Buffalo, Philadelphia, and (Giants or Jets)
Mid-Atlantic Division:  Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Washington
Great Lakes Division:  Cleveland, Cinncinati, Detroit, Indianapolis,
Southeast Division:  Atlanta, Jacksonville, Miami, Tampa

North Central Division:  Chicago, Kansas City, Minnesota, Green Bay
South Central Division:  Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Tennessee
Southwest Division:  Los Angeles (Rams), Las Vegas, Phoenix, San Diego (Chargers)
Northwest Division:  Denver, San Francisco, Seattle, and (Giants or Jets)

And also go by actual city name instead of state name especially baseball.  What's wrong with calling them Denver Rockies?

Do not make us play the Eagles twice a year along with the Bills please. And these names suck, go back to original names. Boston Patriots died in 1970. And why are the Giants or Jets in the NORTHWEST Division? That makes no sense!

He just said move them to Portland

Nobodys moving a team from NYC to Goddamn Portland.

It didn't work when Hello Larry did it either.

[jgb191]

It might not have to be Portland, but it is the largest city west of the Great Plains with only one sports team, something that could complement the Blazers and the Northwest rivalry with Sea-Hawks just up the road in Seattle, and Nike is HQ'ed in Oregon! 

I believe Sacramento is the second largest such city; possibly rival the Niners?  Or maybe Salt Lake?  All I know is New Jersey need not two teams, with another just outside the state across the Delaware River.  And neither the Giants nor the Jets are in NYC, both are somewhere in New Jersey.

[Bruce]

It might not have to be Portland, but it is the largest city west of the Great Plains with only one sports team, something that could complement the Blazers and the Northwest rivalry with Sea-Hawks just up the road in Seattle, and Nike is HQ'ed in Oregon! 

I believe Sacramento is the second largest such city; possibly rival the Niners?  Or maybe Salt Lake?  All I know is New Jersey need not two teams, with another just outside the state across the Delaware River.  And neither the Giants nor the Jets are in NYC, both are somewhere in New Jersey.

Portland has two teams; no matter what one thinks of MLS nationally, in the Northwest it is a major league and has a significant following.

Salt Lake City also has two teams. And so would Sacramento had their MLS bid not been torpedoed.

[Flint1979]

It might not have to be Portland, but it is the largest city west of the Great Plains with only one sports team, something that could complement the Blazers and the Northwest rivalry with Sea-Hawks just up the road in Seattle, and Nike is HQ'ed in Oregon! 

I believe Sacramento is the second largest such city; possibly rival the Niners?  Or maybe Salt Lake?  All I know is New Jersey need not two teams, with another just outside the state across the Delaware River.  And neither the Giants nor the Jets are in NYC, both are somewhere in New Jersey.

The Giants and Jets both play within the NYC Metro area. Just because they happen to be located in New Jersey doesn't make them less of a NYC team, they are indeed within their metro area. That other city just across the state is also one of the largest metro areas in the country. I think you are underestimating the population of the east coast.

[triplemultiplex]

Wasn't there a movie a couple decades ago where one of the plot points was the scheming going into some dude trying to build a new stadium for the Giants in NYC proper?  This would've been before MetLife was built and it was still the old Meadowlands.

[Henry]

Wasn't there a movie a couple decades ago where one of the plot points was the scheming going into some dude trying to build a new stadium for the Giants in NYC proper?  This would've been before MetLife was built and it was still the old Meadowlands.

It was actually the Jets, and Kevin James brought it up in Hitch. They were trying to build a stadium on the West Side of Manhattan that would've been one of the sites for the 2012 Olympics had New York been awarded them. But London killed those plans, and the two teams stayed across the river to build their shared stadium.

While we're on the subject of the AL and NL getting dumped, this would be a fun new take on the future of MLB:

EASTERN LEAGUE
Northeast: Red Sox, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, Pirates
Great Lakes: Reds, Guardians, Tigers, Brewers, Blue Jays
Southeast: Braves, Orioles, Marlins, Rays, Nationals

WESTERN LEAGUE
Midwest: Cubs, White Sox, Royals, Twins, Cardinals
Southwest: Diamondbacks, Rockies, Astros, Athletics, Rangers
Pacific: Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Giants, Mariners

Most of the existing rivalries would be preserved, and a lot less travel would be needed, since the teams are much closer together.

[jgb191]

It might not have to be Portland, but it is the largest city west of the Great Plains with only one sports team, something that could complement the Blazers and the Northwest rivalry with Sea-Hawks just up the road in Seattle, and Nike is HQ'ed in Oregon! 

I believe Sacramento is the second largest such city; possibly rival the Niners?  Or maybe Salt Lake?  All I know is New Jersey need not two teams, with another just outside the state across the Delaware River.  And neither the Giants nor the Jets are in NYC, both are somewhere in New Jersey.

The Giants and Jets both play within the NYC Metro area. Just because they happen to be located in New Jersey doesn't make them less of a NYC team, they are indeed within their metro area. That other city just across the state is also one of the largest metro areas in the country. I think you are underestimating the population of the east coast.

The only thing I disagree with is two teams somewhere in the NYC metro.  I completely agree with Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NYC, and Boston each having one team in a single league -- that's five teams in about a 400-mile stretch, similar to the distance between SF and LA or from KC to MSP or from NO to DFW.

I really believe that Portland and Seattle, especially in the NFL, rivalry could generate lots of interest in the Pacific NW and much of the country.  And it would make the divisions I planned out work.

[Roadgeekteen]

It might not have to be Portland, but it is the largest city west of the Great Plains with only one sports team, something that could complement the Blazers and the Northwest rivalry with Sea-Hawks just up the road in Seattle, and Nike is HQ'ed in Oregon! 

I believe Sacramento is the second largest such city; possibly rival the Niners?  Or maybe Salt Lake?  All I know is New Jersey need not two teams, with another just outside the state across the Delaware River.  And neither the Giants nor the Jets are in NYC, both are somewhere in New Jersey.

The Giants and Jets both play within the NYC Metro area. Just because they happen to be located in New Jersey doesn't make them less of a NYC team, they are indeed within their metro area. That other city just across the state is also one of the largest metro areas in the country. I think you are underestimating the population of the east coast.

The only thing I disagree with is two teams somewhere in the NYC metro.  I completely agree with Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NYC, and Boston each having one team in a single league -- that's five teams in about a 400-mile stretch, similar to the distance between SF and LA or from KC to MSP or from NO to DFW.

I really believe that Portland and Seattle, especially in the NFL, rivalry could generate lots of interest in the Pacific NW and much of the country.  And it would make the divisions I planned out work.

NYC has so many people that two teams are warrented. And the Jets and Giants both have diehard fanbases and decades of history.

[hbelkins]

Speaking of a change of which I just recently became aware, am I alone in thinking banning the defensive shift in baseball is one of the stupidest things ever?

Maybe batters should learn how to hit to the opposite field if they want to get on base, instead of banning the defense from shifting to playing against known pull hitters.

Smartest thing I've read all day.  if the hitter is that good he could just hit it where they aint!

The hitter doesn't even have to do that. Just lay a bunt down along the third-base line and it's an automatic single.

[ilpt4u]

Speaking of a change of which I just recently became aware, am I alone in thinking banning the defensive shift in baseball is one of the stupidest things ever?

Maybe batters should learn how to hit to the opposite field if they want to get on base, instead of banning the defense from shifting to playing against known pull hitters.

Smartest thing I've read all day.  if the hitter is that good he could just hit it where they aint!

The hitter doesn't even have to do that. Just lay a bunt down along the third-base line and it's an automatic single.

That bunt does have to get right down the line (to stay away from the pitcher) and far enough away from the catcher, but yes.

[texaskdog]

It might not have to be Portland, but it is the largest city west of the Great Plains with only one sports team, something that could complement the Blazers and the Northwest rivalry with Sea-Hawks just up the road in Seattle, and Nike is HQ'ed in Oregon! 

I believe Sacramento is the second largest such city; possibly rival the Niners?  Or maybe Salt Lake?  All I know is New Jersey need not two teams, with another just outside the state across the Delaware River.  And neither the Giants nor the Jets are in NYC, both are somewhere in New Jersey.

The Giants and Jets both play within the NYC Metro area. Just because they happen to be located in New Jersey doesn't make them less of a NYC team, they are indeed within their metro area. That other city just across the state is also one of the largest metro areas in the country. I think you are underestimating the population of the east coast.

The only thing I disagree with is two teams somewhere in the NYC metro.  I completely agree with Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NYC, and Boston each having one team in a single league -- that's five teams in about a 400-mile stretch, similar to the distance between SF and LA or from KC to MSP or from NO to DFW.

I really believe that Portland and Seattle, especially in the NFL, rivalry could generate lots of interest in the Pacific NW and much of the country.  And it would make the divisions I planned out work.

NYC has so many people that two teams are warrented. And the Jets and Giants both have diehard fanbases and decades of history.

Yes but I don't agree LA needs two teams, after all those years with none

[Roadgeekteen]

It might not have to be Portland, but it is the largest city west of the Great Plains with only one sports team, something that could complement the Blazers and the Northwest rivalry with Sea-Hawks just up the road in Seattle, and Nike is HQ'ed in Oregon! 

I believe Sacramento is the second largest such city; possibly rival the Niners?  Or maybe Salt Lake?  All I know is New Jersey need not two teams, with another just outside the state across the Delaware River.  And neither the Giants nor the Jets are in NYC, both are somewhere in New Jersey.

The Giants and Jets both play within the NYC Metro area. Just because they happen to be located in New Jersey doesn't make them less of a NYC team, they are indeed within their metro area. That other city just across the state is also one of the largest metro areas in the country. I think you are underestimating the population of the east coast.

The only thing I disagree with is two teams somewhere in the NYC metro.  I completely agree with Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NYC, and Boston each having one team in a single league -- that's five teams in about a 400-mile stretch, similar to the distance between SF and LA or from KC to MSP or from NO to DFW.

I really believe that Portland and Seattle, especially in the NFL, rivalry could generate lots of interest in the Pacific NW and much of the country.  And it would make the divisions I planned out work.

NYC has so many people that two teams are warrented. And the Jets and Giants both have diehard fanbases and decades of history.

Yes but I don't agree LA needs two teams, after all those years with none

I think that the Rams should be in St. Louis or LA, the Raiders in LA, and the Chargers in San Diego or if not possible, Vegas.

[texaskdog]

It might not have to be Portland, but it is the largest city west of the Great Plains with only one sports team, something that could complement the Blazers and the Northwest rivalry with Sea-Hawks just up the road in Seattle, and Nike is HQ'ed in Oregon! 

I believe Sacramento is the second largest such city; possibly rival the Niners?  Or maybe Salt Lake?  All I know is New Jersey need not two teams, with another just outside the state across the Delaware River.  And neither the Giants nor the Jets are in NYC, both are somewhere in New Jersey.

The Giants and Jets both play within the NYC Metro area. Just because they happen to be located in New Jersey doesn't make them less of a NYC team, they are indeed within their metro area. That other city just across the state is also one of the largest metro areas in the country. I think you are underestimating the population of the east coast.

The only thing I disagree with is two teams somewhere in the NYC metro.  I completely agree with Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NYC, and Boston each having one team in a single league -- that's five teams in about a 400-mile stretch, similar to the distance between SF and LA or from KC to MSP or from NO to DFW.

I really believe that Portland and Seattle, especially in the NFL, rivalry could generate lots of interest in the Pacific NW and much of the country.  And it would make the divisions I planned out work.

NYC has so many people that two teams are warrented. And the Jets and Giants both have diehard fanbases and decades of history.

Yes but I don't agree LA needs two teams, after all those years with none

I think that the Rams should be in St. Louis or LA, the Raiders in LA, and the Chargers in San Diego or if not possible, Vegas.

Rams are the chosen ones.  Put the Chargers back in San Diego or Saint Louis.

[Roadgeekteen]

It might not have to be Portland, but it is the largest city west of the Great Plains with only one sports team, something that could complement the Blazers and the Northwest rivalry with Sea-Hawks just up the road in Seattle, and Nike is HQ'ed in Oregon! 

I believe Sacramento is the second largest such city; possibly rival the Niners?  Or maybe Salt Lake?  All I know is New Jersey need not two teams, with another just outside the state across the Delaware River.  And neither the Giants nor the Jets are in NYC, both are somewhere in New Jersey.

The Giants and Jets both play within the NYC Metro area. Just because they happen to be located in New Jersey doesn't make them less of a NYC team, they are indeed within their metro area. That other city just across the state is also one of the largest metro areas in the country. I think you are underestimating the population of the east coast.

The only thing I disagree with is two teams somewhere in the NYC metro.  I completely agree with Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NYC, and Boston each having one team in a single league -- that's five teams in about a 400-mile stretch, similar to the distance between SF and LA or from KC to MSP or from NO to DFW.

I really believe that Portland and Seattle, especially in the NFL, rivalry could generate lots of interest in the Pacific NW and much of the country.  And it would make the divisions I planned out work.

NYC has so many people that two teams are warrented. And the Jets and Giants both have diehard fanbases and decades of history.

Yes but I don't agree LA needs two teams, after all those years with none

I think that the Rams should be in St. Louis or LA, the Raiders in LA, and the Chargers in San Diego or if not possible, Vegas.

Rams are the chosen ones.  Put the Chargers back in San Diego or Saint Louis.

LA can support 2 NFL teams. It has 2 teams in every other sport. I just think that it should be the Rams and Raiders, not the Chargers.

[Poiponen13]

MLB promotion and relegation:
Six poor-performing teams (three from each league) are selected as challenger teams which can face relegation. At the end of regular season, the worst challenger team from each league play best-of-seven playout whose loser is relegated to AAA. The team is replaced by winner of playoff between IL and PCL champions.

[Roadgeekteen]

MLB promotion and relegation:
Six poor-performing teams (three from each league) are selected as challenger teams which can face relegation. At the end of regular season, the worst challenger team from each league play best-of-seven playout whose loser is relegated to AAA. The team is replaced by winner of playoff between IL and PCL champions.

Which will happen first: Poiponen's promotion and relegation or MMM's water highways?

[Poiponen13]

MLB promotion and relegation:
Six poor-performing teams (three from each league) are selected as challenger teams which can face relegation. At the end of regular season, the worst challenger team from each league play best-of-seven playout whose loser is relegated to AAA. The team is replaced by winner of playoff between IL and PCL champions.

Which will happen first: Poiponen's promotion and relegation or MMM's water highways?

Promotion and relagation.

[NWI_Irish96]

Does everybody advocating for promotion/relegation in MLB understand how the minors work? Most teams, including all of AAA, are affiliated with major league clubs, with the players belonging to the major league clubs.

If you relegated Oakland and Washington after the 2022 season and promoted Durham and Reno, you'd have two MLB teams controlled by Tampa and Arizona. That can't work.