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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2022, 01:23:48 PM »

Governor Kate Brown has secured the blessing of Metro President Lynn Peterson and Portland City Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty for the Rose Quarter widening.

https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2022/02/10/gov-kate-brown-wins-agreement-from-local-elected-officials-for-rose-quarter-project-with-highway-caps/
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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2022, 01:53:58 AM »

Maybe the 4-lane segments of Interstate 5 in the Portland-area should have been 6 lanes from the time the freeway was first constructed. Freeways with 4 lanes within an urban area such as Portland seems to be too little capacity to me, unless the freeway is a spur route.
In most cities, a freeway like this would have 8 lanes.

That's the amazing part about this debate. The climate warriors in Portland are like NO WE CAN'T HAVE ANY FREEWAY BEYOND 4 LANES OR THE PLANET WILL DIE but, you know, have they been anywhere else!?

Yep, Portland's freeways are really narrow compared to all other cities on the west coast. Most of them are just 3 lanes in each direction (aside from the part on I-5 between I-205 and OR 217, which is 4-5 lanes in each direction), which is the absolute minimum for an urban freeway IMO.

I really don't have much of a problem with widening this stretch of freeway, but it's just crazy that widening just a mile of road is going to cost a billion dollars.

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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2022, 03:48:48 AM »

Governor Kate Brown has secured the blessing of Metro President Lynn Peterson and Portland City Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty for the Rose Quarter widening.

https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2022/02/10/gov-kate-brown-wins-agreement-from-local-elected-officials-for-rose-quarter-project-with-highway-caps/
That article kind of gives me mixed thoughts. They are wanting to reduce the median size to ensure additional lanes canít be added? Thatís utterly ridiculous.
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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2022, 10:42:07 AM »

Governor Kate Brown has secured the blessing of Metro President Lynn Peterson and Portland City Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty for the Rose Quarter widening.

https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2022/02/10/gov-kate-brown-wins-agreement-from-local-elected-officials-for-rose-quarter-project-with-highway-caps/
That article kind of gives me mixed thoughts. They are wanting to reduce the median size to ensure additional lanes canít be added? Thatís utterly ridiculous.
I know, because you are rabidly pro-highway to the exclusion of all else. Reducing the median size saves a lot of money in ROW and construction, so it's reasonable. Whatever motives there are now, it can be revisited in the future if further widening is deemed warranted.

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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2022, 11:17:04 AM »

It's remarkable that after all the crap about induced demand and climate change, they still sign on to a freeway expansion. It's proof that they don't really believe in that.
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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2022, 12:35:37 PM »

It's remarkable that after all the crap about induced demand and climate change, they still sign on to a freeway expansion. It's proof that they don't really believe in that.

Who's "they" here?
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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2022, 12:57:36 PM »

It's remarkable that after all the crap about induced demand and climate change, they still sign on to a freeway expansion. It's proof that they don't really believe in that.

Who's "they" here?

Lynn Peterson and Jo Ann Hardesty had been pushing hard on the dogma that more lanes would only mean more congestion and that the carbon emissions would destroy life as we know it.
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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2022, 05:15:14 PM »

I know, because you are rabidly pro-highway to the exclusion of all else.
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Do you even read my posts? Because if you did youíd know thatís bullshit. I support mass and active transit all the time. I ride the red line in LA several times a week. What makes you think I donít support anything but freeway expansion?
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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2022, 11:29:17 AM »

Governor Kate Brown has secured the blessing of Metro President Lynn Peterson and Portland City Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty for the Rose Quarter widening.

https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2022/02/10/gov-kate-brown-wins-agreement-from-local-elected-officials-for-rose-quarter-project-with-highway-caps/
That article kind of gives me mixed thoughts. They are wanting to reduce the median size to ensure additional lanes canít be added? Thatís utterly ridiculous.

I mean, here's the deal. The opponents are going to say "that center median is a SECRET ODOT LANE AND THIS 8-LANE PROJECT MUST DIE" if they build the 12 foot median. It takes some air out of the climate histrionics without actually affecting the project. And, let's be honest: There's no extra lane going in there ever anyway. Not unless Portland has a major shift in politics in the next half-century.
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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2022, 07:20:32 PM »

Governor Kate Brown has secured the blessing of Metro President Lynn Peterson and Portland City Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty for the Rose Quarter widening.

https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2022/02/10/gov-kate-brown-wins-agreement-from-local-elected-officials-for-rose-quarter-project-with-highway-caps/
That article kind of gives me mixed thoughts. They are wanting to reduce the median size to ensure additional lanes canít be added? Thatís utterly ridiculous.

I mean, here's the deal. The opponents are going to say "that center median is a SECRET ODOT LANE AND THIS 8-LANE PROJECT MUST DIE" if they build the 12 foot median. It takes some air out of the climate histrionics without actually affecting the project. And, let's be honest: There's no extra lane going in there ever anyway. Not unless Portland has a major shift in politics in the next half-century.

Portlanders voted against a tax increase in November 2020 meant to expand transit. They are going ahead with widening the I-5 Bridge over the Columbia to 10 lanes. Portland's politics are already shifting.
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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #60 on: February 15, 2022, 12:41:21 PM »

Governor Kate Brown has secured the blessing of Metro President Lynn Peterson and Portland City Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty for the Rose Quarter widening.

https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2022/02/10/gov-kate-brown-wins-agreement-from-local-elected-officials-for-rose-quarter-project-with-highway-caps/
That article kind of gives me mixed thoughts. They are wanting to reduce the median size to ensure additional lanes canít be added? Thatís utterly ridiculous.

I mean, here's the deal. The opponents are going to say "that center median is a SECRET ODOT LANE AND THIS 8-LANE PROJECT MUST DIE" if they build the 12 foot median. It takes some air out of the climate histrionics without actually affecting the project. And, let's be honest: There's no extra lane going in there ever anyway. Not unless Portland has a major shift in politics in the next half-century.

Portlanders voted against a tax increase in November 2020 meant to expand transit. They are going ahead with widening the I-5 Bridge over the Columbia to 10 lanes. Portland's politics are already shifting.

I would be stunned if the Columbia River bridge gets built at 10 lanes. And it's not just the electorate. The transportation advocacy community has a ton of power here. It doesn't translate to ballot measures (beyond Portland proper) but it still connects with the people who get elected into office.
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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2022, 03:19:28 AM »

Governor Kate Brown has secured the blessing of Metro President Lynn Peterson and Portland City Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty for the Rose Quarter widening.

https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2022/02/10/gov-kate-brown-wins-agreement-from-local-elected-officials-for-rose-quarter-project-with-highway-caps/
That article kind of gives me mixed thoughts. They are wanting to reduce the median size to ensure additional lanes canít be added? Thatís utterly ridiculous.

Nothing wrong with that. I highly doubt an additional lane will be built for at least 40-50 years, if ever, by which time the whole road will need to be rebuilt anyway. And besides, this project is already getting too expensive, so I'm all for anything to cut costs.


Portlanders voted against a tax increase in November 2020 meant to expand transit. They are going ahead with widening the I-5 Bridge over the Columbia to 10 lanes. Portland's politics are already shifting.

I would be stunned if the Columbia River bridge gets built at 10 lanes. And it's not just the electorate. The transportation advocacy community has a ton of power here. It doesn't translate to ballot measures (beyond Portland proper) but it still connects with the people who get elected into office.

Yeah, if they don't plan on widening I-5 between I-405 and the Columbia River, then it doesn't make sense to make it 10 lanes. Otherwise the 6-lane section through north Portland will just become a bottleneck. Making it 8 lanes is fine, especially considering that the traffic counts are 130,000 vpd. Oh, and adding light rail on the bridge is something that should definitely happen. Hopefully this time people in Clark County won't throw a big fit over it.

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Re: I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2022, 05:27:17 PM »

The Portland City Council has given its blessing!
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