The other day someone posted a harsh rant about a political figure head and it wasn't SPUI.
I thought it's forbidden to post anything anti whomever in politics?
Quote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 11:01:43 AMThe other day someone posted a harsh rant about a political figure head and it wasn't SPUI.
I thought it's forbidden to post anything anti whomever in politics?
Hence the thread(s) were locked.
For the record, I have long believed that posts should be left public as much as possible and therefore really appreciated the post being left public and the thorough explanation/justification for doing so.
However, I did also express to the moderation team that the problematic part of the post (should be obvious which part) should be addressed/removed exactly as if it were a standalone post.
Quote from: webny99 on February 05, 2025, 11:13:01 AMFor the record, I have long believed that posts should be left public as much as possible and therefore really appreciated the post being left public and the thorough explanation/justification for doing so.
However, I did also express to the moderation team that the problematic part of the post (should be obvious which part) should be addressed/removed exactly as if it were a standalone post.
Agree with everything here.
I suppose I just don't get it. The mods constantly crack down hard on SPUI for political posting, but have never meaningfully reprimanded Terry Shea or SP Cook for similar behavior. I mean yes, you can delete posts all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that neither of them have taken accountability for breaking forum rules or implemented a plan to improve their behavior.
And before you ask, no, I am not against conservative voices on the forum. Kphoger has said that he has conservative leanings, and I have absolutely no problem with him on the forum, because he never demeans anyone in the rare occasion that politics do come up. Terry Shea and SP Cook both do it constantly.
In a vacuum I don't care about whether the post was locked, deleted, or left alone to descend into chaos. But it's really hard not to point out that a post of similar intent criticizing democratic voters / a democratic administration would have been deleted and the user would have been banned.
To preempt the obvious response: I understand that the current situation is far worse for many than what, for example, the Biden or Obama administrations brought about in their early days. That doesn't contradict my point. My point is not at all political in nature; any response suggesting that it is would be a waste of time.
Well the post wasn't removed. I'm guessing Alex didn't see it either as his rule is to prevent flame wars as with politics we are all too stubborn in that area. However it was locked instead still letting us see the rant.
Plus with social media now out there is causes lash outs where people think that the opposing candidates are going to start the doomsday clock any second, so people get scared and hope that either Trump or Biden ( when he was a president) would have an immediate ill fate and suggest to the opposite party how evil they were the place that president in power.
This isn't the first time this happened here.
Quote from: thspfc on February 05, 2025, 03:48:12 PMIn a vacuum I don't care about whether the post was locked, deleted, or left alone to descend into chaos. But it's really hard not to point out that a post of similar intent criticizing democratic voters / a democratic administration would have been deleted and the user would have been banned.
Terry Shea literally told Rothman to get a lobotomy over a political disagreement and wasn't banned.
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 05, 2025, 03:52:30 PMQuote from: thspfc on February 05, 2025, 03:48:12 PMIn a vacuum I don't care about whether the post was locked, deleted, or left alone to descend into chaos. But it's really hard not to point out that a post of similar intent criticizing democratic voters / a democratic administration would have been deleted and the user would have been banned.
Terry Shea literally told Rothman to get a lobotomy over a political disagreement and wasn't banned.
Who/what/when/where/why? Need more context
Quote from: thspfc on February 05, 2025, 03:55:27 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on February 05, 2025, 03:52:30 PMQuote from: thspfc on February 05, 2025, 03:48:12 PMIn a vacuum I don't care about whether the post was locked, deleted, or left alone to descend into chaos. But it's really hard not to point out that a post of similar intent criticizing democratic voters / a democratic administration would have been deleted and the user would have been banned.
Terry Shea literally told Rothman to get a lobotomy over a political disagreement and wasn't banned.
Who/what/when/where/why? Need more context
This post (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7953.msg2824475#msg2824475) originally read "so are lobotomies" in response to Rothman. I do also have a problem with it as it is currently written, but that is not the point.
That post doesn't have an edit timestamp, which means it was changed within the first three minutes, most likely because he realized how bad it was.
Quote from: hotdogPi on February 05, 2025, 04:04:06 PMThat post doesn't have an edit timestamp, which means it was changed within the first three minutes, most likely because he realized how bad it was.
Quote from: AlexPosting harassing or insulting remarks towards another member. Later editing or deleting your post does not absolve you from punishment. Learn respect.
Question answered.
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 05, 2025, 04:00:30 PMQuote from: thspfc on February 05, 2025, 03:55:27 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on February 05, 2025, 03:52:30 PMQuote from: thspfc on February 05, 2025, 03:48:12 PMIn a vacuum I don't care about whether the post was locked, deleted, or left alone to descend into chaos. But it's really hard not to point out that a post of similar intent criticizing democratic voters / a democratic administration would have been deleted and the user would have been banned.
Terry Shea literally told Rothman to get a lobotomy over a political disagreement and wasn't banned.
Who/what/when/where/why? Need more context
This post (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7953.msg2824475#msg2824475) originally read "so are lobotomies" in response to Rothman. I do also have a problem with it as it is currently written, but that is not the point.
Certianly an inflammatory post that should have warranted mod action, however there are 3 key differences. I don't think this instance contradicts my point.
1) I can't conclude from this exchange who is on what side of the political spectrum. Obviously being generally anti-tax is a republican position, but disapproving of specific methods of taxation is a more of a grey area. Florida, Oklahoma, and Texas collect more tolls than almost every other state. Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio have significant tollways. Gas tax rates are slightly more reflective of red/blue states but still not perfectly correlated. It's not a situation like income tax where you can infer with near-perfect accuracy what side of the aisle someone is on based on their answer to a question.
2) aggressively disagreeing with something said in a road related discussion is not the same as starting an aggressive thread about something not road related (or only road related in small part, since infastructure is involved in politics).
3) the user in question from yesterday could have edited his post, and didn't.
Political talk in general is pretty lame and uninteresting. I try to avoid unless it is somehow intrinsically tied to a road topic.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 11:01:43 AMThe other day someone posted a harsh rant about a political figure head and it wasn't SPUI.
If SPUI ever becomes a political figure head, then that will really say something about our country. What, I don't know.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 05, 2025, 04:37:31 PMPolitical talk in general is pretty lame and uninteresting. I try to avoid unless it is somehow intrinsically tied to a road topic.
What's funny is I stay away from politics but because I do I'm accused of being a Left supporter by the Right and a Right Supporter by the Left.
One college student interning for Mitt Romney for President in 2012, said because I chose not to vote for either Obama nor Romney then, this girl intern said I was indirectly casting a vote for Barack as my one vote could help put Mitt one vote closer to a win.
Two months ago I got accused of voting for Trump because I made a statement on FB that both Trump and Harris were not qualified to run a simple business let alone a nation.
Politics will always find me.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 05, 2025, 05:05:13 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 11:01:43 AMThe other day someone posted a harsh rant about a political figure head and it wasn't SPUI.
If SPUI ever becomes a political figure head, then that will really say something about our country. What, I don't know.
Let's be fair, the US would probably be on the right track if this happened.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 05, 2025, 05:21:57 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on February 05, 2025, 05:05:13 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 11:01:43 AMThe other day someone posted a harsh rant about a political figure head and it wasn't SPUI.
If SPUI ever becomes a political figure head, then that will really say something about our country. What, I don't know.
Let's be fair, the US would probably be on the right track if this happened.
I never said SPUI should run this nation, but that he was not the one making the post in question.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 05:21:05 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 05, 2025, 04:37:31 PMPolitical talk in general is pretty lame and uninteresting. I try to avoid unless it is somehow intrinsically tied to a road topic.
What's funny is I stay away from politics but because I do I'm accused of being a Left supporter by the Right and a Right Supporter by the Left.
One college student interning for Mitt Romney for President in 2012, said because I chose not to vote for either Obama nor Romney then, this girl intern said I was indirectly casting a vote for Barack as my one vote could help put Mitt one vote closer to a win.
Two months ago I got accused of voting for Trump because I made a statement on FB that both Trump and Harris were not qualified to run a simple business let alone a nation.
Politics will always find me.
The overwhelming majority of political news I get is from road people off forum. Most family and regular folks I know simply don't really care much about politics. Politics isn't a facet of my day to day life either, nor do I want it to be.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 05, 2025, 05:27:36 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 05:21:05 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 05, 2025, 04:37:31 PMPolitical talk in general is pretty lame and uninteresting. I try to avoid unless it is somehow intrinsically tied to a road topic.
What's funny is I stay away from politics but because I do I'm accused of being a Left supporter by the Right and a Right Supporter by the Left.
One college student interning for Mitt Romney for President in 2012, said because I chose not to vote for either Obama nor Romney then, this girl intern said I was indirectly casting a vote for Barack as my one vote could help put Mitt one vote closer to a win.
Two months ago I got accused of voting for Trump because I made a statement on FB that both Trump and Harris were not qualified to run a simple business let alone a nation.
Politics will always find me.
The overwhelming majority of political news I get is from road people off forum. Most family and regular folks I know simply don't really care much about politics. Politics isn't a facet of my day to day life either, nor do I want it to be.
Sad, but true. If you look at instagram many have their conclusions about who is at fault for the DC air disaster already even though the NTSB hasn't concluded their investigations.
The evidence: the way the helicopter slammed into the jet from broadside. And in reality that's from one perspective as there was no other cameral angles to see from as this one was facing the passenger plane coming in. If the camera was looking north it would have appeared that the PSA flight rammed the chopper.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 05:26:42 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 05, 2025, 05:21:57 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on February 05, 2025, 05:05:13 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 11:01:43 AMThe other day someone posted a harsh rant about a political figure head and it wasn't SPUI.
If SPUI ever becomes a political figure head, then that will really say something about our country. What, I don't know.
Let's be fair, the US would probably be on the right track if this happened.
I never said SPUI should run this nation
But I will. SPUI 2028!
SPUI - Hawk Tuah '28!
Double Dribble for the Gribble!
Quote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 05:34:29 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 05, 2025, 05:27:36 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 05:21:05 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 05, 2025, 04:37:31 PMPolitical talk in general is pretty lame and uninteresting. I try to avoid unless it is somehow intrinsically tied to a road topic.
What's funny is I stay away from politics but because I do I'm accused of being a Left supporter by the Right and a Right Supporter by the Left.
One college student interning for Mitt Romney for President in 2012, said because I chose not to vote for either Obama nor Romney then, this girl intern said I was indirectly casting a vote for Barack as my one vote could help put Mitt one vote closer to a win.
Two months ago I got accused of voting for Trump because I made a statement on FB that both Trump and Harris were not qualified to run a simple business let alone a nation.
Politics will always find me.
The overwhelming majority of political news I get is from road people off forum. Most family and regular folks I know simply don't really care much about politics. Politics isn't a facet of my day to day life either, nor do I want it to be.
Sad, but true. If you look at instagram many have their conclusions about who is at fault for the DC air disaster already even though the NTSB hasn't concluded their investigations.
The evidence: the way the helicopter slammed into the jet from broadside. And in reality that's from one perspective as there was no other cameral angles to see from as this one was facing the passenger plane coming in. If the camera was looking north it would have appeared that the PSA flight rammed the chopper.
That's frankly speaking is pretty obvious, and the way helicopter slammed has very little to do with it. While there is still to be learnt what happened with copter crew and how they ended up messing that bad, they are squarely bearing the responsibility.
Quote from: Road Hog on February 05, 2025, 07:02:56 PMSPUI - Hawk Tuah '28!
Double Dribble for the Gribble!
Irony is that I ran a mock presidential campaign on social media for my dog in 2020. He is nothing but empty promises but he would get my vote.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 05, 2025, 08:22:21 PMQuote from: Road Hog on February 05, 2025, 07:02:56 PMSPUI - Hawk Tuah '28!
Double Dribble for the Gribble!
Irony is that I ran a mock presidential campaign on social media for my dog in 2020. He is nothing but empty promises but he would get my vote.
Not sure how this is ironic.
However I would vote for SPUI - Hawk Tuah.
Quote from: thspfc on February 05, 2025, 09:05:04 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 05, 2025, 08:22:21 PMQuote from: Road Hog on February 05, 2025, 07:02:56 PMSPUI - Hawk Tuah '28!
Double Dribble for the Gribble!
Irony is that I ran a mock presidential campaign on social media for my dog in 2020. He is nothing but empty promises but he would get my vote.
Not sure how this is ironic.
However I would vote for SPUI - Hawk Tuah.
Irony in that I was already the mastermind of a fake presidential campaign.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 05, 2025, 09:13:28 PMQuote from: thspfc on February 05, 2025, 09:05:04 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 05, 2025, 08:22:21 PMQuote from: Road Hog on February 05, 2025, 07:02:56 PMSPUI - Hawk Tuah '28!
Double Dribble for the Gribble!
Irony is that I ran a mock presidential campaign on social media for my dog in 2020. He is nothing but empty promises but he would get my vote.
Not sure how this is ironic.
However I would vote for SPUI - Hawk Tuah.
Irony in that I was already the mastermind of a fake presidential campaign.
. . . is it not an incredibly common gag to make jokes about an absurd fictional presidential campaign? I've probably "masterminded" about 50 of those, from Kanye West to Aaron Rodgers to my aunt's lizard.
It's like saying that it's ironic to see a car driving down the street after you just drove your car earlier in the day.
Quote from: thspfc on February 05, 2025, 09:28:26 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 05, 2025, 09:13:28 PMQuote from: thspfc on February 05, 2025, 09:05:04 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 05, 2025, 08:22:21 PMQuote from: Road Hog on February 05, 2025, 07:02:56 PMSPUI - Hawk Tuah '28!
Double Dribble for the Gribble!
Irony is that I ran a mock presidential campaign on social media for my dog in 2020. He is nothing but empty promises but he would get my vote.
Not sure how this is ironic.
However I would vote for SPUI - Hawk Tuah.
Irony in that I was already the mastermind of a fake presidential campaign.
. . . is it not an incredibly common gag to make jokes about an absurd fictional presidential campaign? I've probably "masterminded" about 50 of those, from Kanye West to Aaron Rodgers to my aunt's lizard.
It's like saying that it's ironic to see a car driving down the street after you just drove your car earlier in the day.
In the crowd I normally frequent it was fairly novel. Most people I know aren't into politics in general much less political satire. (besides who has ever heard of a dog named Monster?) And really the only reason I'm pointing out any of this in general is because our page was referenced.
Quote from: thspfc on February 05, 2025, 03:48:12 PMIn a vacuum I don't care about whether the post was locked, deleted, or left alone to descend into chaos. But it's really hard not to point out that a post of similar intent criticizing democratic voters / a democratic administration would have been deleted and the user would have been banned.
Whether or not this is true, this sentiment is exactly why it's so important to distinguish between the first sentence and the rest of the post in this particular case.
I don't want to continue harping on this, but it's really, really important that the first sentence gets isolated and dealt with separately, because letting it stand puts the integrity of the entire forum in jeopardy.
General question, who is this SPUI that you guys keep on talking about?
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on February 05, 2025, 11:41:35 PMGeneral question, who is this SPUI that you guys keep on talking about?
NE2
Quote from: webny99 on February 05, 2025, 11:15:56 PMQuote from: thspfc on February 05, 2025, 03:48:12 PMIn a vacuum I don't care about whether the post was locked, deleted, or left alone to descend into chaos. But it's really hard not to point out that a post of similar intent criticizing democratic voters / a democratic administration would have been deleted and the user would have been banned.
Whether or not this is true, this sentiment is exactly why it's so important to distinguish between the first sentence and the rest of the post in this particular case.
I don't want to continue harping on this, but it's really, really important that the first sentence gets isolated and dealt with separately, because letting it stand puts the integrity of the entire forum in jeopardy.
I don't know what integrity has to do with this situation to be honest. Any I don't think that anything on this forum is really, really important. YMMV.
These are very troubling times, and I think the increasing amount of political threads (while indeed not allowed, and are thus promptly locked as such) is indicative of how bad divisiveness is getting. This worsening divisiveness is directly caused by a certain figure who I won't name, but we all know who it is. I truly hope that some sense of normalcy can eventually be restored, at least within my lifetime. I feel these emotions very strongly myself, and I do not blame others for expressing these emotions more overtly, however I hate to see the increasing conflict and the heated nature of some comments.
My personal approach to try to manage these strong emotions is admittedly very bizarre and perhaps even irrational, and it would not be feasible or realistic for many people, including people who are affected by these troubling events on a daily basis: but my approach is essentially to block it all out of my mind as much as I can (in turn meaning blocking out as much news as I possibly can). I strive to remain educated and informed by updating myself on current events at a minimum of once every few weeks, but I just can't do it every week and certainly not every day. I used to be able to handle politics years ago, but things have gotten so bad that I just can't anymore. My peace of mind is too important, and I will go to considerable lengths to try to forget that current events are even happening, such as even pretending like I'm in an alternate reality or dimension where bad things don't happen and bad people don't exist, and everything is just nice, peaceful, and carefree. This is honestly even embarrassing to admit, but I wanted to share it both to show solidarity, and to throw out a possible idea (however ridiculous or bizarre) for anyone else who, like me, has been struggling to manage strong emotions that are exacerbated by these tumultuous times. I wish I was stronger and more resilient to where I wouldn't have to resort to such a strange and convoluted approach, but my mental health struggles over the years have not provided me with a robust framework for handling stress effectively. I have to work hard every day to try to protect my peace, which is where my approach comes in as I try to block out as much negative stuff that I have no control over as I possibly can (can seem almost impossible at times, though), and instead try to focus my energy and attention on things that bring me joy instead of stress, such as anything road-related or part of this hobby, listening to music, and of course being productive with the important obligations of day-to-day life. As mentioned, this approach is far from feasible for everyone, and I very well might be the only person who it would work for, but it is helping me to spend more time enjoying my days instead of stressing (if I can be so lucky). In previous months and years, I spent far too many hours slouched on the couch doomscrolling, and I wanted that to end (even though I might have done that again earlier today....). I would much rather do something that I thoroughly enjoy that has no stress involved, such as immersing myself in roads while listening to a great album. This message has probably dragged out much too long, but hopefully it may offer at least a glimmer of help to anyone else who is struggling to navigate these difficult times.
But also even more to the point of this thread, it is important to remain strong and cohesive as a community, and I do hope that conflict and heated arguments can be minimized as much as possible, even though these are very divisive and difficult times.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 06, 2025, 12:13:51 AMQuoteI don't want to continue harping on this, but it's really, really important that the first sentence gets isolated and dealt with separately, because letting it stand puts the integrity of the entire forum in jeopardy.
I don't know what integrity has to do with this situation to be honest. Any I don't think that anything on this forum is really, really important. YMMV.
It's not "really, really important" to me personally, but to the forum.
As to integrity, a comment was made that would unquestionably be deleted and/or removed from public view if it was a standalone post. 9 times out of 10 the entire posts gets deleted too, but the moderation team made the decision in this case to keep the entire post public. Based on both my personal views on content deletion *and* the public explanation that was given, I support that decision,
but there is part of the post that cannot be left in public view under any circumstance based on both previous longstanding precedent and the need to ensure that the forum remains a welcoming place for all.
Why do so many of you think that an Internet forum about a niche hobby has to have complicated precedent and due process? Either abide by the rules or GTFO.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 06, 2025, 09:36:22 AMWhy do so many of you think that an Internet forum about a niche hobby has to have complicated precedent and due process? Either abide by the rules or GTFO.
We should have committees.
Quote from: Rothman on February 06, 2025, 09:40:01 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 06, 2025, 09:36:22 AMWhy do so many of you think that an Internet forum about a niche hobby has to have complicated precedent and due process? Either abide by the rules or GTFO.
We should have committees.
I'm tempted to make a joke about forum efficiency, but I have a feeling that would be a bad idea.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 06, 2025, 09:46:15 AMQuote from: Rothman on February 06, 2025, 09:40:01 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 06, 2025, 09:36:22 AMWhy do so many of you think that an Internet forum about a niche hobby has to have complicated precedent and due process? Either abide by the rules or GTFO.
We should have committees.
I'm tempted to make a joke about forum efficiency, but I have a feeling that would be a bad idea.
We need a forum Safety Committee. Each board will send a designated representative to the monthly committee meeting. I think this is needed.
Quote from: webny99 on February 06, 2025, 09:25:34 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 06, 2025, 12:13:51 AMQuoteI don't want to continue harping on this, but it's really, really important that the first sentence gets isolated and dealt with separately, because letting it stand puts the integrity of the entire forum in jeopardy.
I don't know what integrity has to do with this situation to be honest. Any I don't think that anything on this forum is really, really important. YMMV.
It's not "really, really important" to me personally, but to the forum.
As to integrity, a comment was made that would unquestionably be deleted and/or removed from public view if it was a standalone post. 9 times out of 10 the entire posts gets deleted too, but the moderation team made the decision in this case to keep the entire post public. Based on both my personal views on content deletion *and* the public explanation that was given, I support that decision, but there is part of the post that cannot be left in public view under any circumstance based on both previous longstanding precedent and the need to ensure that the forum remains a welcoming place for all.
I get all that, and don't inherently disagree with any of it. That said, ::valedictorian hat on:: Oxford dictionary defines integrity as 'the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles'. I don't think the decision to leave the post in full is a) dishonest nor b) immoral. That was the point I was trying to make. Some people here get pedantic about road stuff; I get pedantic about vocabulary I suppose.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 06, 2025, 09:36:22 AMWhy do so many of you think that an Internet forum about a niche hobby has to have complicated precedent and due process? Either abide by the rules or GTFO.
The issue arises when the rules are unclear, which happens to be the entire point of this thread. Your message applies to the user who made that post.
Quote from: thspfc on February 06, 2025, 11:50:02 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 06, 2025, 09:36:22 AMWhy do so many of you think that an Internet forum about a niche hobby has to have complicated precedent and due process? Either abide by the rules or GTFO.
The issue arises when the rules are unclear, which happens to be the entire point of this thread. Your message applies to the user who made that post.
Or when the methods of moderation are unclear, seemingly applying to certain users (SPUI) more harshly than others (Terry Shea/SP Cook). What the mods see out of these two that is worth keeping around I don't understand. They are abrasive, uncompromising, obnoxious, and don't seem to have a personality outside of their politics. They also refuse to take accountability when they break the forum rules, blaming others instead. There are no redeeming qualities about them.
NE2 likes to inject politics into discussion that previously had no issues. While I don't like SP Cook's beliefs, he always seems to be on topic, and he's usually stating his own beliefs rather than making personal attacks on others.
Quote from: hotdogPi on February 06, 2025, 01:23:51 PMNE2 likes to inject politics into discussion that previously had no issues. While I don't like SP Cook's beliefs, he always seems to be on topic, and he's usually stating his own beliefs rather than making personal attacks on others.
Or he likes to correct people when they misspelled a word in a post or lecture the user for bad grammar in a post.
One time he shit his pants when I said the word captured over caption and told other users I did it on purpose to get him upset. Of course I died laughing at that remark as I didn't use captured in that sentence in question at all to get anybody mad. I thought it was the word to use at the time.
Even the hierarchy says proper grammar is not required in the forum rules and long as the statement is somewhat obvious.
He even used to be called by some " The Spelling Nazi."
I wish politics wasn't a day-to-day worry. But I don't get that privilege, and neither do most folks who are targeted for things that are completely out of their control. Sometimes it'll just slip out, and it's okay to just get a little warning and move on.
I am guessing the reason why Facebook mods don't act charitably toward people when they're personally facing a sudden life-changing crisis is so they don't get accused of lacking integrity.
Or maybe because they're robots, I don't know.
I'm so damn tired of life, man.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 06, 2025, 05:05:24 PMI am guessing the reason why Facebook mods don't act charitably toward people when they're personally facing a sudden life-changing crisis is so they don't get accused of lacking integrity.
Or maybe because they're robots, I don't know.
I'm so damn tired of life, man.
It is actually "counterintuitive" for a Facebook page mod to ban/block people from commenting on posts given the platform has an engagement model. Essentially the platform wants pages to push engagement via commenting and shares. I still ban if things get out of hand, especially if nonsense comes from non-page followers.
Crash_It was a classic example of a quick ban/block when we had a recent Illinois road post. He thought it was okay to be nasty and start insulting to commenters when he never had interacted with our page previously. Suffice to say I wasn't in the mood for his shit and got rid of him plus his comments fast.
But on groups, yeah if people don't stay on topic I don't have much issue banning them. For the most part I try to get people to knock it off once if they did something minor. That said, people tend to be much more direct on Facebook and do stuff that merits an obvious ban.
The biggest Facebook road group I manage is Old Highway 101. For the most part that has tended to remain mostly controversy free. The biggest problem I've had as the admin is stopping people from posting things that aren't US 101 adjacent. There was spat of people (likely bots) who kept posting random stuff from San Francisco that had no tie into the highway corridor. The one that frustrated me the most was the guy on a California road group that wouldn't stop sharing AI road posts (copy/paste stuff from Wikipedia). I had a lengthy debate about banning with the other admin after I gave said poster three warning about spamming in short succession.
I will clarify that I do believe in these times that politics is a day-to-day worry (and is becoming even more so with each passing day). My approach is just to pretend like it's not (in my head, temporarily until reality comes back again), so that I won't be incapacitated by my own stress (for example, if I sit on it too long my body will begin shaking with tremors and I will not be able to find enjoyment in anything). In other words, I know one thing to be true in my head, but I try to (temporarily) forget that it's true, as a coping mechanism so that I can function in day-to-day life. As irrational and unrealistic as it is, I have found that coping mechanisms, however bizarre, are essential to trying to improve or maintain quality of life. It's also worth noting that this coping mechanism has application for when I'm just doing stuff on my own and am trying to maintain or improve enjoyment of my day without current events constantly torturing my mind, but if I am ever actively discussing these topics with other people, I am in the moment and I am in reality (also with the understanding of the gravity of that reality). Much of this detail was probably wholly unnecessary to go into, but I wanted to make sure there was no unintentional insensitivity communicated in my previous post.
TL;DR: My coping mechanisms are very bizarre and perhaps irrational
I get everything, but roads are very influenced by politics so keep that in mind. Administration changes at the state and federal level have massive impacts on what projects are done. Not hard for non road politics to seep out from that.
Quote from: hotdogPi on February 06, 2025, 01:23:51 PMNE2 likes to inject politics into discussion that previously had no issues. While I don't like SP Cook's beliefs, he always seems to be on topic, and he's usually stating his own beliefs rather than making personal attacks on others.
You mean like this post here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=33986.msg2876164#msg2876164)? Or how about starting a topic deliberately in bad faith (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=33091.0)?
At what point do we actually quit saying "abide by the rules or GTFO" and start saying "this person is literally incapable of following the rules, so we should force them out?"
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 06, 2025, 08:43:59 PMQuote from: hotdogPi on February 06, 2025, 01:23:51 PMNE2 likes to inject politics into discussion that previously had no issues. While I don't like SP Cook's beliefs, he always seems to be on topic, and he's usually stating his own beliefs rather than making personal attacks on others.
You mean like this post here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=33986.msg2876164#msg2876164)? Or how about starting a topic deliberately in bad faith (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=33091.0)?
At what point do we actually quit saying "abide by the rules or GTFO" and start saying "this person is literally incapable of following the rules, so we should force them out?"
Isn't that kind of what happens already? The whole forum turned against people like Crash_It, MMM and P13.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 06, 2025, 08:55:00 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on February 06, 2025, 08:43:59 PMQuote from: hotdogPi on February 06, 2025, 01:23:51 PMNE2 likes to inject politics into discussion that previously had no issues. While I don't like SP Cook's beliefs, he always seems to be on topic, and he's usually stating his own beliefs rather than making personal attacks on others.
You mean like this post here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=33986.msg2876164#msg2876164)? Or how about starting a topic deliberately in bad faith (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=33091.0)?
At what point do we actually quit saying "abide by the rules or GTFO" and start saying "this person is literally incapable of following the rules, so we should force them out?"
Isn't that kind of what happens already? The whole forum turned against people like Crash_It, MMM and P13.
Yes, but why hasn't it happened with either of these two? I get enough unprovoked complaining about "random taxers" from uneducated rednecks on Facebook. Why should it be happening here, in a space that supposedly doesn't allow politics?
If your politics are so radical that you cannot restrain yourself from posting this kind of stuff unprovoked on here, you just don't belong here.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 06, 2025, 10:58:11 AMQuote from: webny99 on February 06, 2025, 09:25:34 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 06, 2025, 12:13:51 AMQuoteI don't want to continue harping on this, but it's really, really important that the first sentence gets isolated and dealt with separately, because letting it stand puts the integrity of the entire forum in jeopardy.
I don't know what integrity has to do with this situation to be honest. Any I don't think that anything on this forum is really, really important. YMMV.
It's not "really, really important" to me personally, but to the forum.
As to integrity, a comment was made that would unquestionably be deleted and/or removed from public view if it was a standalone post. 9 times out of 10 the entire posts gets deleted too, but the moderation team made the decision in this case to keep the entire post public. Based on both my personal views on content deletion *and* the public explanation that was given, I support that decision, but there is part of the post that cannot be left in public view under any circumstance based on both previous longstanding precedent and the need to ensure that the forum remains a welcoming place for all.
I get all that, and don't inherently disagree with any of it. That said, ::valedictorian hat on:: Oxford dictionary defines integrity as 'the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles'. I don't think the decision to leave the post in full is a) dishonest nor b) immoral. That was the point I was trying to make. Some people here get pedantic about road stuff; I get pedantic about vocabulary I suppose.
I was actually referring to the other definition of integrity (the state of being whole and undivided) since I was referring to an object (the forum). The definition you cited could have only applied if I was talking about an individual, which to be very clear was not the case at all. I apologize if it was interpreted that way and hopefully this helps clarify my point.
Here's a quote from NW_Irish96 in a series of "I don't care if this gets me banned" threads that caught my attention:
QuoteIf you voted for Donald Trump, I just want to say fuck you and I hate you.
Unless the reason you voted for him was that you wanted to make billionaires wealthier, he isn't going to do any of the things you actually want him to do.
Myself and hundreds of thousands of other Federal employees are living a nightmare right now. Our jobs are in jeopardy for really no reason other than they want reallocate our salaries to tax cuts for the wealthy. Even worse, millions of people who are one or more of non-Christian, non-white and non-straight are in fear for their lives.
If I do actually get banned, adios. It's been fun.
Everybody's entitled to their own opinions, but I don't just go around and say "fuck you" to anyone who disagrees with what I have to say. Somehow, someone has to stand up and say that this foolishness has to stop right here, right now. A simple lock may not be enough, so this is one of these situations where a three strikes system would work. I've proposed it before, but here it is again: Strike one, a warning; strike two, a temporary ban; and strike three, you're out of here. Simple as that.
Dude just found out he might be losing his job because of political bullshit he's not involved in. I don't blame him for being pissed and lashing out. I was pretty pissed when I lost my business because of political bullshit I wasn't involved in. I ended up being pissed enough that I moved to another state over it! And that was due to a completely different political figure and issue. So I get where he's at.
I dunno, I figured just a lock and a message that hey, people are going through shit right now, maybe keep that in mind, would be enough. I don't really see the purpose in subjecting the guy to some sort of baseball apparatus; he's probably got more important problems to worry about than his standing on a road forum. I doubt he's going to do it again and if he does, I'll stream myself drinking a gallon of Clearview or something, I dunno.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 06, 2025, 11:08:20 PMI'll stream myself drinking a gallon of Clearview or something, I dunno.
How does one drink a font?
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 06, 2025, 11:09:26 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on February 06, 2025, 11:08:20 PMI'll stream myself drinking a gallon of Clearview or something, I dunno.
How does one drink a font?
Jake has the technology.
Tratex tastes like lingonberries, if you were wondering.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 06, 2025, 11:08:20 PMDude just found out he might be losing his job because of political bullshit he's not involved in. I don't blame him for being pissed and lashing out. I was pretty pissed when I lost my business because of political bullshit I wasn't involved in. I ended up being pissed enough that I moved to another state over it! And that was due to a completely different political figure and issue. So I get where he's at.
I dunno, I figured just a lock and a message that hey, people are going through shit right now, maybe keep that in mind, would be enough. I don't really see the purpose in subjecting the guy to some sort of baseball apparatus; he's probably got more important problems to worry about than his standing on a road forum. I doubt he's going to do it again and if he does, I'll stream myself drinking a gallon of Clearview or something, I dunno.
While horrible the guy is getting laid off, I thought it was super tacky to full on lash out at random forum members over who they may or may not have voted for. I doubt many on this forum were voting with the hope of getting others here fired from their jobs. While not IMO ban worthy, it wasn't okay either.
And yes, I've been laid off myself (albeit for non-political reasons). It is indeed a kick in the nuts, especially if it is from a career job.
^^^^ I'm with Scott5114 on this one. I'm a retired Federal worker, whose career started with my job in limbo due to a hiring freeze at the beginning of the Reagan Administration, followed by multiple and sometimes prolonged government shutdowns during later administrations. I too would cut a lot of slack with NW_Irish96's frustrations.
It sounds like the bullshit he's facing is much worse than I ever had to deal with, though I'm crossing my fingers the current chaos won't somehow spread to long-retired Feds like me.
While bullshit he's facing job challenges it plain isn't okay to hold forum members accountable for that. Forum members don't have the power or authority to lay off Federal employees.
I'm probably going out on a limb too much here but I didn't vote for either major party candidate. While I'd agree one of the two options was decidedly worse, neither one was good.
I'm really tired of road people thinking they can say things like Irish did and getting a completely free pass. I've been on the receiving end of some political ultimatums from community members over the years and those weren't okay either. This political stuff we do here is a cancer and it has chased a lot people away.
I'm certainly not condoning the post, for what it's worth. (If locking it didn't make that clear enough.)
It was clear from the content within that Irish knew the behavior was inappropriate, but allowed themself to be vulnerable on-forum. So I don't really understand what needs to be done further. A ban/post restriction won't really serve a purpose because, again, the user clearly understands that it was a potential consequence of those actions. I certainly wouldn't blame Scott if he wanted to delete the thread, but I do understand the interest in keeping it up for public interest/reference in case someone asks what is happening with Irish.
Sorry for my ignorance but can anyone inform me what SPUI stands for or means? :hmmm:
Quote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 05:21:05 PMI'm accused of being a Left supporter by the Right and a Right Supporter by the Left.
One college student interning for Mitt Romney for President in 2012, said because I chose not to vote for either Obama nor Romney then, this girl intern said I was indirectly casting a vote for Barack as my one vote could help put Mitt one vote closer to a win.
Two months ago I got accused of voting for Trump because I made a statement on FB that both Trump and Harris were not qualified to run a simple business let alone a nation.
I agree with every single word you said. I get labeled both ways...'liberal' by conservatives and 'conservative' by liberals. I honestly don't think of myself as fitting into either side. Back in the November 1996, my high school US History teacher did a "pretend" election voting ballot for every student in the same grade I was, the unofficial result was 101 votes for William Clinton, 142 votes for Robert Dole, and one vote for H.R. Perot (I was the only vote much to my shock). And yes I have generally voted for the 'minor' candidates, much to the disapproval of supporters of both sides. I've gotten cursed out by Republican voters who view me as helping the Democrats and vice versa. I vote just for the sake of voting.
I don't trust either of the two major ones. A vote for a Libertarian Party candidate is a vote for a Libertarian Party candidate, not an "indirect vote" for one of the two major candidates.
While federal workers are feeling it... Those who are under "employment at will" conditions please raise your hand.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 06, 2025, 11:08:20 PMI dunno, I figured just a lock and a message that hey, people are going through shit right now, maybe keep that in mind, would be enough. I don't really see the purpose in subjecting the guy to some sort of baseball apparatus; he's probably got more important problems to worry about than his standing on a road forum. I doubt he's going to do it again
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 07, 2025, 12:22:47 AMIt was clear from the content within that Irish knew the behavior was inappropriate, but allowed themself to be vulnerable on-forum. So I don't really understand what needs to be done further. A ban/post restriction won't really serve a purpose because, again, the user clearly understands that it was a potential consequence of those actions. I certainly wouldn't blame Scott if he wanted to delete the thread, but I do understand the interest in keeping it up for public interest/reference in case someone asks what is happening with Irish.
Reflecting on my previous comments. I can see how I came across as sounding like I wanted discipline for the user. But I understand why that may not be the answer in this particular case, and that's none of my business even if it was.
I just think letting an inappropriate comment addressed to some non-zero number of forum users hang out in public forum space validates it in a way that could make users think that it's OK to say that here, and that is problematic on multiple levels. Again, I understand that there may have been some validity to the rest of the post, but that still doesn't make it acceptable to make inappropriate comments that are directly addressed to other forum users (including lurkers, potential future members, and anyone else who happens to be viewing the site).
Quote from: webny99 on February 07, 2025, 09:27:41 AMQuote from: Scott5114 on February 06, 2025, 11:08:20 PMI dunno, I figured just a lock and a message that hey, people are going through shit right now, maybe keep that in mind, would be enough. I don't really see the purpose in subjecting the guy to some sort of baseball apparatus; he's probably got more important problems to worry about than his standing on a road forum. I doubt he's going to do it again
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 07, 2025, 12:22:47 AMIt was clear from the content within that Irish knew the behavior was inappropriate, but allowed themself to be vulnerable on-forum. So I don't really understand what needs to be done further. A ban/post restriction won't really serve a purpose because, again, the user clearly understands that it was a potential consequence of those actions. I certainly wouldn't blame Scott if he wanted to delete the thread, but I do understand the interest in keeping it up for public interest/reference in case someone asks what is happening with Irish.
Reflecting on my previous comments. I can see how I came across as sounding like I wanted discipline for the user. But I understand why that may not be the answer in this particular case, and that's none of my business even if it was.
I just think letting an inappropriate comment addressed to some non-zero number of forum users hang out in public forum space validates it in a way that could make users think that it's OK to say that here, and that is problematic on multiple levels. Again, I understand that there was some validity to the rest of the post and sympathize with the situation, but that still doesn't make it acceptable to make inappropriate comments that are directly addressed to other forum users (including lurkers, potential future members, and anyone else who happens to be viewing the site).
Absolutely—I do understand this point as well. But it is also important to note the message that is displayed at the bottom of every page on the forum:
QuoteOpinions expressed here on belong solely to the poster and do not represent or reflect the opinions or beliefs of AARoads, its creators and/or associates.
I still say that there should be a politics/religion forum and that any discussion outside of that forum is against TOS. If you go there and choose to post, you know what you're getting yourself into.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 10:13:58 AMI still say that there should be a politics/religion forum and that any discussion outside of that forum is against TOS. If you go there and choose to post, you know what you're getting yourself into.
Stress and conflicts from that fenced off area tend to spill and cause a mess all over the place. Adding potentially flammable "mass transit" is probably as far as things should go.
Quote from: kalvado on February 07, 2025, 10:25:36 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 10:13:58 AMI still say that there should be a politics/religion forum and that any discussion outside of that forum is against TOS. If you go there and choose to post, you know what you're getting yourself into.
Stress and conflicts from that fenced off area tend to spill and cause a mess all over the place. Adding potentially flammable "mass transit" is probably as far as things should go.
I'm on another forum pretty actively, FlyerTalk, that has such a forum and I haven't seen issues over the years.
Quote from: kalvado on February 07, 2025, 08:47:08 AMWhile federal workers are feeling it... Those who are under "employment at will" conditions please raise your hand.
Every state except Montana is an "at will" state.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 11:01:43 AMThe other day someone posted a harsh rant about a political figure head and it wasn't SPUI.
I thought it's forbidden to post anything anti whomever in politics?
I'm assuming this was my post.
I don't regret it. I'm not the one who made my very mundane Federal job political. That was one political party that chose to do so. If you don't like political rants, then perhaps blame the party that is making anything and everything political.
I was trying to shed light on how this election has had severe consequences on regular, ordinary people. If that made you uncomfortable, then I achieved my goal. My situation is serious enough that the opportunity to educate a couple hundred people about what's really going on outweighed forum rules and decorum.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 10:31:07 AMQuote from: kalvado on February 07, 2025, 10:25:36 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 10:13:58 AMI still say that there should be a politics/religion forum and that any discussion outside of that forum is against TOS. If you go there and choose to post, you know what you're getting yourself into.
Stress and conflicts from that fenced off area tend to spill and cause a mess all over the place. Adding potentially flammable "mass transit" is probably as far as things should go.
I'm on another forum pretty actively, FlyerTalk, that has such a forum and I haven't seen issues over the years.
Same here. A UVA sports fansite has a "hidden" political subforum—the link isn't posted anywhere on the site and that subforum has an "anything goes" principle. The people who post there do a very good job of keeping it off the main site, although of course that does depend on personal discipline to some extent. Other members actively jump on rulebreakers, too, partly because the political subforum is called "The Soapbox" and we quickly realized that we could use an acronym to tell people to post there: "Take It to The Soapbox" quickly became "TITS."
But I can certainly understand why the AARoads management would not want to be responsible for running that sort of thing.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 07, 2025, 10:48:00 AMQuote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 11:01:43 AMThe other day someone posted a harsh rant about a political figure head and it wasn't SPUI.
I thought it's forbidden to post anything anti whomever in politics?
I'm assuming this was my post.
I don't regret it. I'm not the one who made my very mundane Federal job political. That was one political party that chose to do so. If you don't like political rants, then perhaps blame the party that is making anything and everything political.
The government has made decisions costing private sector jobs before, would it be OK if they came here ranting about the government taking away their jobs.
I was trying to shed light on how this election has had severe consequences on regular, ordinary people. If that made you uncomfortable, then I achieved my goal. My situation is serious enough that the opportunity to educate a couple hundred people about what's really going on outweighed forum rules and decorum.
Don't you work for the IRS now? That's kind of concerning for someone with an axe to grind like yourself threatening people who disagree with you. I don't trust you in that capacity, even if you don't have access directly to things with which you can do harm, and I am not a fan of many things going on right now.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 10:58:01 AMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 07, 2025, 10:48:00 AMQuote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 11:01:43 AMThe other day someone posted a harsh rant about a political figure head and it wasn't SPUI.
I thought it's forbidden to post anything anti whomever in politics?
I'm assuming this was my post.
I don't regret it. I'm not the one who made my very mundane Federal job political. That was one political party that chose to do so. If you don't like political rants, then perhaps blame the party that is making anything and everything political.
I was trying to shed light on how this election has had severe consequences on regular, ordinary people. If that made you uncomfortable, then I achieved my goal. My situation is serious enough that the opportunity to educate a couple hundred people about what's really going on outweighed forum rules and decorum.
Don't you work for the IRS now? That's kind of concerning for someone with an axe to grind like yourself threatening people who disagree with you. I don't trust you in that capacity, even if you don't have access directly to things with which you can do harm, and I am not a fan of many things going on right now.
IIRC, he works for the Census Bureau.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 10:59:08 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 10:58:01 AMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 07, 2025, 10:48:00 AMQuote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 11:01:43 AMThe other day someone posted a harsh rant about a political figure head and it wasn't SPUI.
I thought it's forbidden to post anything anti whomever in politics?
I'm assuming this was my post.
I don't regret it. I'm not the one who made my very mundane Federal job political. That was one political party that chose to do so. If you don't like political rants, then perhaps blame the party that is making anything and everything political.
I was trying to shed light on how this election has had severe consequences on regular, ordinary people. If that made you uncomfortable, then I achieved my goal. My situation is serious enough that the opportunity to educate a couple hundred people about what's really going on outweighed forum rules and decorum.
Don't you work for the IRS now? That's kind of concerning for someone with an axe to grind like yourself threatening people who disagree with you. I don't trust you in that capacity, even if you don't have access directly to things with which you can do harm, and I am not a fan of many things going on right now.
IIRC, he works for the Census Bureau.
Check again...
Quote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 10:59:50 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 10:59:08 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 10:58:01 AMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 07, 2025, 10:48:00 AMQuote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 11:01:43 AMThe other day someone posted a harsh rant about a political figure head and it wasn't SPUI.
I thought it's forbidden to post anything anti whomever in politics?
I'm assuming this was my post.
I don't regret it. I'm not the one who made my very mundane Federal job political. That was one political party that chose to do so. If you don't like political rants, then perhaps blame the party that is making anything and everything political.
I was trying to shed light on how this election has had severe consequences on regular, ordinary people. If that made you uncomfortable, then I achieved my goal. My situation is serious enough that the opportunity to educate a couple hundred people about what's really going on outweighed forum rules and decorum.
Don't you work for the IRS now? That's kind of concerning for someone with an axe to grind like yourself threatening people who disagree with you. I don't trust you in that capacity, even if you don't have access directly to things with which you can do harm, and I am not a fan of many things going on right now.
IIRC, he works for the Census Bureau.
Check again...
I switched from Census to IRS a few months ago. My job is administrative, I have nothing to do with anybody's taxes or finances, nor do I have access to any of that.
Also, as upset as I am, I never "threatened" anybody, but someone conflating being made uncomfortable by the truth with being threatened says a lot.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 07, 2025, 11:03:00 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 10:59:50 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 10:59:08 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 10:58:01 AMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 07, 2025, 10:48:00 AMQuote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2025, 11:01:43 AMThe other day someone posted a harsh rant about a political figure head and it wasn't SPUI.
I thought it's forbidden to post anything anti whomever in politics?
I'm assuming this was my post.
I don't regret it. I'm not the one who made my very mundane Federal job political. That was one political party that chose to do so. If you don't like political rants, then perhaps blame the party that is making anything and everything political.
I was trying to shed light on how this election has had severe consequences on regular, ordinary people. If that made you uncomfortable, then I achieved my goal. My situation is serious enough that the opportunity to educate a couple hundred people about what's really going on outweighed forum rules and decorum.
Don't you work for the IRS now? That's kind of concerning for someone with an axe to grind like yourself threatening people who disagree with you. I don't trust you in that capacity, even if you don't have access directly to things with which you can do harm, and I am not a fan of many things going on right now.
IIRC, he works for the Census Bureau.
Check again...
I switched from Census to IRS a few months ago. My job is administrative, I have nothing to do with anybody's taxes or finances, nor do I have access to any of that.
Also, as upset as I am, I never "threatened" anybody, but someone conflating being made uncomfortable by the truth with being threatened says a lot.
I'm sorry, a threat would actually be less obnoxious than, "If you voted for Donald Trump, I just want to say fuck you and I hate you."
You sir, are filled with a massive amount of hate on your own. Reflect.
Also, since I was curious, why are there two different news stories from 2013 and 2019 with you whining about government shutdowns and you losing your income. You literally seek out attention for yourself over this. It's INCREDIBLY narcissistic.
You make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
Quote from: Big John on February 07, 2025, 10:37:20 AMQuote from: kalvado on February 07, 2025, 08:47:08 AMWhile federal workers are feeling it... Those who are under "employment at will" conditions please raise your hand.
Every state except Montana is an "at will" state.
"at will" is presumed as "I can just stop showing up at work as I will" - but in reality means "HR can hand you a pink slip at any time as they will. Friendly security will escort you out, you have 15 min to collect personal items". I saw people in big companies to be literally told that everyone must show up to a meeting - and then certain names are called to HR desk and processed out immediately.
It's not uncommon for restaurant workers to show up in the morning to an "out of business" sign placed by owners overnight.
So while that all suck... It's the way things are often done in US.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:22:45 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Dude still has a job. He stated it was in "jeopardy". Probably not even losing his job. It's partisan weirdness that is extreme. That's my opinion.
I wish I could go back and vote for Trump to spite him now.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:22:45 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Using f-word for a majority of US voters probably would fall under protected speech under the First Amendment (on a government level), but certainly may end up with returned favors which would be equally protected.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that we are talking about the results of an election based on the Electoral College. A lot probably could be said about how much power individual voters actually have.
Quote from: kalvado on February 07, 2025, 11:28:30 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:22:45 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Using f-word for a plurality of US voters probably would fall under protected speech under the First Amendment (on a government level), but certainly may end up with returned favors which would be equally protected.
FTFY
Quote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:26:51 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:22:45 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Dude still has a job. He stated it was in "jeopardy". Probably not even losing his job. It's partisan weirdness that is extreme. That's my opinion.
I wish I could go back and vote for Trump to spite him now.
I mean hell, my job could in theory be in jeopardy also. While I don't think it actually is I see the same emails about buyout offers everyone else at my office gets.
This is even worse now that it has been clearly established Irish hasn't actually lost his job. That makes this about being more a being dick for the sake of being a dick.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:26:51 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:22:45 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Dude still has a job. He stated it was in "jeopardy". Probably not even losing his job. It's partisan weirdness that is extreme. That's my opinion.
I wish I could go back and vote for Trump to spite him now.
Sure. Well let me give you my personal example. My wife is a teacher. She teaches in Aurora which is now well known nationally as a city with a lot of immigrants. So, not only is she worried about funding for her school due to the Dept of Education getting axed, which might make her lose her job, she's also concerned about ICE raids at her school where kids would be snatched out of a place that's designed for learning. They had a lockdown the other day due to a miscommunication, and a lot of kids were scared when they saw the police that had to clear the school. She's already asked me if I'd be mad if she got arrested protecting her kids, and I told her absolutely not.
So... am I mad about the current situation? Hell yes. Am I going to drop targeted profanities at those who seemingly support such things? No I'm not. Do I understand the sentiment of someone who does? I sure do.
It's like the United Healthcare thing. Do I endorse violence? Of course not. Do I understand WHY someone might feel compelled to do something like that? I unfortunately do.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:38:16 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:26:51 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:22:45 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Dude still has a job. He stated it was in "jeopardy". Probably not even losing his job. It's partisan weirdness that is extreme. That's my opinion.
I wish I could go back and vote for Trump to spite him now.
Sure. Well let me give you my personal example. My wife is a teacher. She teaches in Aurora which is now well known nationally as a city with a lot of immigrants. So, not only is she worried about funding for her school due to the Dept of Education getting axed, which might make her lose her job, she's also concerned about ICE raids at her school where kids would be snatched out of a place that's designed for learning. They had a lockdown the other day due to a miscommunication, and a lot of kids were scared when they saw the police that had to clear the school. She's already asked me if I'd be mad if she got arrested protecting her kids, and I told her absolutely not.
So... am I mad about the current situation? Hell yes. Am I going to drop targeted profanities at those who seemingly support such things? No I'm not. Do I understand the sentiment of someone who does? I sure do.
It's like the United Healthcare thing. Do I endorse violence? Of course not. Do I understand WHY someone might feel compelled to do something like that? I unfortunately do.
Yes, but supposedly this is not the place for it. Letting it go is an extended middle finger to many here. I've had to see two decades of whining every time the pendulum swings. I come here to escape it and yet some people can't help themselves.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:45:12 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:38:16 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:26:51 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:22:45 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Dude still has a job. He stated it was in "jeopardy". Probably not even losing his job. It's partisan weirdness that is extreme. That's my opinion.
I wish I could go back and vote for Trump to spite him now.
Sure. Well let me give you my personal example. My wife is a teacher. She teaches in Aurora which is now well known nationally as a city with a lot of immigrants. So, not only is she worried about funding for her school due to the Dept of Education getting axed, which might make her lose her job, she's also concerned about ICE raids at her school where kids would be snatched out of a place that's designed for learning. They had a lockdown the other day due to a miscommunication, and a lot of kids were scared when they saw the police that had to clear the school. She's already asked me if I'd be mad if she got arrested protecting her kids, and I told her absolutely not.
So... am I mad about the current situation? Hell yes. Am I going to drop targeted profanities at those who seemingly support such things? No I'm not. Do I understand the sentiment of someone who does? I sure do.
It's like the United Healthcare thing. Do I endorse violence? Of course not. Do I understand WHY someone might feel compelled to do something like that? I unfortunately do.
Yes, but supposedly this is not the place for it. Letting it go is an extended middle finger to many here. I've had to see two decades of whining every time the pendulum swings. I come here to escape it and yet some people can't help themselves.
And I don't disagree with this either. That said, no one has to look at these threads nor post in them.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:47:00 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:45:12 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:38:16 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:26:51 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:22:45 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Dude still has a job. He stated it was in "jeopardy". Probably not even losing his job. It's partisan weirdness that is extreme. That's my opinion.
I wish I could go back and vote for Trump to spite him now.
Sure. Well let me give you my personal example. My wife is a teacher. She teaches in Aurora which is now well known nationally as a city with a lot of immigrants. So, not only is she worried about funding for her school due to the Dept of Education getting axed, which might make her lose her job, she's also concerned about ICE raids at her school where kids would be snatched out of a place that's designed for learning. They had a lockdown the other day due to a miscommunication, and a lot of kids were scared when they saw the police that had to clear the school. She's already asked me if I'd be mad if she got arrested protecting her kids, and I told her absolutely not.
So... am I mad about the current situation? Hell yes. Am I going to drop targeted profanities at those who seemingly support such things? No I'm not. Do I understand the sentiment of someone who does? I sure do.
It's like the United Healthcare thing. Do I endorse violence? Of course not. Do I understand WHY someone might feel compelled to do something like that? I unfortunately do.
Yes, but supposedly this is not the place for it. Letting it go is an extended middle finger to many here. I've had to see two decades of whining every time the pendulum swings. I come here to escape it and yet some people can't help themselves.
And I don't disagree with this either. That said, no one has to look at these threads nor post in them.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:47:00 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:45:12 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:38:16 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:26:51 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:22:45 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Dude still has a job. He stated it was in "jeopardy". Probably not even losing his job. It's partisan weirdness that is extreme. That's my opinion.
I wish I could go back and vote for Trump to spite him now.
Sure. Well let me give you my personal example. My wife is a teacher. She teaches in Aurora which is now well known nationally as a city with a lot of immigrants. So, not only is she worried about funding for her school due to the Dept of Education getting axed, which might make her lose her job, she's also concerned about ICE raids at her school where kids would be snatched out of a place that's designed for learning. They had a lockdown the other day due to a miscommunication, and a lot of kids were scared when they saw the police that had to clear the school. She's already asked me if I'd be mad if she got arrested protecting her kids, and I told her absolutely not.
So... am I mad about the current situation? Hell yes. Am I going to drop targeted profanities at those who seemingly support such things? No I'm not. Do I understand the sentiment of someone who does? I sure do.
It's like the United Healthcare thing. Do I endorse violence? Of course not. Do I understand WHY someone might feel compelled to do something like that? I unfortunately do.
Yes, but supposedly this is not the place for it. Letting it go is an extended middle finger to many here. I've had to see two decades of whining every time the pendulum swings. I come here to escape it and yet some people can't help themselves.
And I don't disagree with this either. That said, no one has to look at these threads nor post in them.
Sorry I wasn't blessed with your x-ray vision that allows for seeing a thread's content before opening it.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 12:00:54 PMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:55:33 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:47:00 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:45:12 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:38:16 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:26:51 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:22:45 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Dude still has a job. He stated it was in "jeopardy". Probably not even losing his job. It's partisan weirdness that is extreme. That's my opinion.
I wish I could go back and vote for Trump to spite him now.
Sure. Well let me give you my personal example. My wife is a teacher. She teaches in Aurora which is now well known nationally as a city with a lot of immigrants. So, not only is she worried about funding for her school due to the Dept of Education getting axed, which might make her lose her job, she's also concerned about ICE raids at her school where kids would be snatched out of a place that's designed for learning. They had a lockdown the other day due to a miscommunication, and a lot of kids were scared when they saw the police that had to clear the school. She's already asked me if I'd be mad if she got arrested protecting her kids, and I told her absolutely not.
So... am I mad about the current situation? Hell yes. Am I going to drop targeted profanities at those who seemingly support such things? No I'm not. Do I understand the sentiment of someone who does? I sure do.
It's like the United Healthcare thing. Do I endorse violence? Of course not. Do I understand WHY someone might feel compelled to do something like that? I unfortunately do.
Yes, but supposedly this is not the place for it. Letting it go is an extended middle finger to many here. I've had to see two decades of whining every time the pendulum swings. I come here to escape it and yet some people can't help themselves.
And I don't disagree with this either. That said, no one has to look at these threads nor post in them.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:47:00 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:45:12 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:38:16 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:26:51 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:22:45 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Dude still has a job. He stated it was in "jeopardy". Probably not even losing his job. It's partisan weirdness that is extreme. That's my opinion.
I wish I could go back and vote for Trump to spite him now.
Sure. Well let me give you my personal example. My wife is a teacher. She teaches in Aurora which is now well known nationally as a city with a lot of immigrants. So, not only is she worried about funding for her school due to the Dept of Education getting axed, which might make her lose her job, she's also concerned about ICE raids at her school where kids would be snatched out of a place that's designed for learning. They had a lockdown the other day due to a miscommunication, and a lot of kids were scared when they saw the police that had to clear the school. She's already asked me if I'd be mad if she got arrested protecting her kids, and I told her absolutely not.
So... am I mad about the current situation? Hell yes. Am I going to drop targeted profanities at those who seemingly support such things? No I'm not. Do I understand the sentiment of someone who does? I sure do.
It's like the United Healthcare thing. Do I endorse violence? Of course not. Do I understand WHY someone might feel compelled to do something like that? I unfortunately do.
Yes, but supposedly this is not the place for it. Letting it go is an extended middle finger to many here. I've had to see two decades of whining every time the pendulum swings. I come here to escape it and yet some people can't help themselves.
And I don't disagree with this either. That said, no one has to look at these threads nor post in them.
Sorry I wasn't blessed with your x-ray vision that allows for seeing a thread's content before opening it.
You want to avoid seeing politics, yet open a thread called "I Thought No Politics".
I don't think that requires x-ray vision.
Those are some huge quotes. Is this where I derail the thread with Alanland quotes like "the longer the quote, the happier the goat"?
Quote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:55:33 AMSorry I wasn't blessed with your x-ray vision that allows for seeing a thread's content before opening it.
You want to avoid seeing politics, yet open a thread called "I Thought No Politics".
I don't think that requires x-ray vision.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 07, 2025, 12:02:24 PMThose are some huge quotes. Is this where I derail the thread with Alanland quotes like "the longer the quote, the happier the goat"?
I tried to fix it in my previous post, but it got screwed up, so I just posted a separate, much more concise quoting.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 12:04:21 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 07, 2025, 12:02:24 PMThose are some huge quotes. Is this where I derail the thread with Alanland quotes like "the longer the quote, the happier the goat"?
I tried to fix it in my previous post, but it got screwed up, so I just posted a separate, much more concise quoting.
Talking about the post that gave birth to this one.
Do I wish I'd found a better way to express my frustrations? Yes, and I'm sorry I was so blunt.
Do I regret expressing them? No.
If even a couple people have a better understanding of what's going on, and the tradeoff is that others think less of me, I can live with that.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:45:12 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:38:16 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:26:51 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 11:22:45 AMQuote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 11:09:25 AMYou make me loathe political extremists like you. If you had the power, you'd just be a leftist version of Donald Trump (or, what he was pre-2000).
You can feel how you want politically, but I don't see how anything posted remotely could be called "extremism". If you lose your job because of a single person, and you then don't like that person, that's extremism?
Dude still has a job. He stated it was in "jeopardy". Probably not even losing his job. It's partisan weirdness that is extreme. That's my opinion.
I wish I could go back and vote for Trump to spite him now.
Sure. Well let me give you my personal example. My wife is a teacher. She teaches in Aurora which is now well known nationally as a city with a lot of immigrants. So, not only is she worried about funding for her school due to the Dept of Education getting axed, which might make her lose her job, she's also concerned about ICE raids at her school where kids would be snatched out of a place that's designed for learning. They had a lockdown the other day due to a miscommunication, and a lot of kids were scared when they saw the police that had to clear the school. She's already asked me if I'd be mad if she got arrested protecting her kids, and I told her absolutely not.
So... am I mad about the current situation? Hell yes. Am I going to drop targeted profanities at those who seemingly support such things? No I'm not. Do I understand the sentiment of someone who does? I sure do.
It's like the United Healthcare thing. Do I endorse violence? Of course not. Do I understand WHY someone might feel compelled to do something like that? I unfortunately do.
Yes, but supposedly this is not the place for it. Letting it go is an extended middle finger to many here. I've had to see two decades of whining every time the pendulum swings. I come here to escape it and yet some people can't help themselves.
So why is this energy
never directed towards Terry or SP, who constantly inject their politics into their posts, calling others tyrants?
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 07, 2025, 11:03:00 AMAlso, as upset as I am, I never "threatened" anybody
This is a tricky needle to thread because it is understandable why someone would take offense and/or feel threatened, regardless if that's how it was meant. I know users can't edit posts in locked threads (probably including this one soon) but I feel strongly that if the first sentence of the post in question was removed and everything else played out the same, your supposed objective would have still been achieved with a whole lot less drama.
I think it's important to realize that, for many people, these things have gone beyond simple "disagreements". From the entire federal workforce that is facing unprecedented political interference in formerly non-political jobs to marginalized groups (especially immigrants and the transgender community) who have had their entire existence politicized with a federal government that seeks to wipe them out of public life, a lot of people are being directly hurt by this administration. And this wasn't some unknown thing. Any reasonable person who was paying attention to the 2024 campaign would have known this was going to happen. Thus, anyone who voted for You Know Who can be reasonably considered to have done so knowing this was, at a minimum, a strong possibility, and was OK with that, so the sentiment is very understandable.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 07, 2025, 10:52:41 AMOther members actively jump on rulebreakers, too, partly because the political subforum is called "The Soapbox" and we quickly realized that we could use an acronym to tell people to post there: "Take It to The Soapbox" quickly became "TITS."
While I will remain neutral on the suggestion of the politics forum, if we did get one, I wanted to note an opportunity for our own acronym - Post that Opinion Out in Politics (POOP).
Quote from: SectorZ on February 07, 2025, 12:06:34 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 07, 2025, 12:04:21 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 07, 2025, 12:02:24 PMThose are some huge quotes. Is this where I derail the thread with Alanland quotes like "the longer the quote, the happier the goat"?
I tried to fix it in my previous post, but it got screwed up, so I just posted a separate, much more concise quoting.
Talking about the post that gave birth to this one.
I guess I read things all the time that go contrary to things I "like". I consume them, and then immediately move on with my day. Sometimes those things are met with a shake of my head or mild muttered profanities, but I move on nonetheless.
Dang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?
Quote from: hbelkins on February 07, 2025, 01:46:28 PMDang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?
TL;DR, someone bluntly told Trump voters to go fuck themselves, and it's the only damn thing we've been talking about on this
roads forum.
Well, guess political threads are okay now, given how this one has gone.
I'm on the side of not including a politics subforum. On other sites I'm on, although they are technically quarantined, they still pollute the listing of new posts.
Would rather the strict moderation continue and Irish's post removed, although I don't think he should be banned.
Otherwise, we get threads like this one on here.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 07, 2025, 01:46:28 PMDang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?
Nothing got deleted, surprisingly.
There are several threads called "I don't care if this gets me banned" in Off-Topic. It all started with the first one, and the rest are either responses to it (like SectorZ's thread and this one) or parodies (like the "band" thread and the rickroll).
For hbelkins' benefit:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 07, 2025, 02:17:20 PMDon't forget about all the aliens, ghosts and time traveler stuff.
While this happened within the last four days (caused by a kernals12 thread), it's unrelated.
Don't forget about all the aliens, ghosts and time traveler stuff.
I still don't understand why everyone just excuses the behavior of Terry Shea and SP Cook. Sure, some of their stuff might be tangentially related to the topics, but they still post purposely inflammatory rhetoric constantly. Like I said, I am not against conservative voices on the forum (ask me who I voted for in the primaries, the answer may surprise you). I'm just against a very specific type of rhetoric polluting our threads.
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 07, 2025, 02:19:35 PMI still don't understand why everyone just excuses the behavior of Terry Shea and SP Cook. Sure, some of their stuff might be tangentially related to the topics, but they still post purposely inflammatory rhetoric constantly. Like I said, I am not against conservative voices on the forum (ask me who I voted for in the primaries, the answer may surprise you). I'm just against a very specific type of rhetoric polluting our threads.
You keep mentioning this in numerous threads. Awfully assumptive on your end to believe that most of us interact with these people or know what you're talking about.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 07, 2025, 02:25:35 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on February 07, 2025, 02:19:35 PMI still don't understand why everyone just excuses the behavior of Terry Shea and SP Cook. Sure, some of their stuff might be tangentially related to the topics, but they still post purposely inflammatory rhetoric constantly. Like I said, I am not against conservative voices on the forum (ask me who I voted for in the primaries, the answer may surprise you). I'm just against a very specific type of rhetoric polluting our threads.
You keep mentioning this in numerous threads. Awfully assumptive on your end to believe that most of us interact with these people or know what you're talking about.
And I have linked to posts of theirs which I find objectionable throughout those multiple threads. Including one which you directly responded to. Yes, mod action was obviously taken against these two specific posts, but since this has been a pattern for years, I will continue to advocate for these users to be banned unless they can demonstrate that their behavior can change. I have yet to see it.
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 06, 2025, 08:43:59 PMQuote from: hotdogPi on February 06, 2025, 01:23:51 PMNE2 likes to inject politics into discussion that previously had no issues. While I don't like SP Cook's beliefs, he always seems to be on topic, and he's usually stating his own beliefs rather than making personal attacks on others.
You mean like this post here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=33986.msg2876164#msg2876164)? Or how about starting a topic deliberately in bad faith (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=33091.0)?
At what point do we actually quit saying "abide by the rules or GTFO" and start saying "this person is literally incapable of following the rules, so we should force them out?"
Quote from: hotdogPi on February 07, 2025, 02:13:26 PMFor hbelkins' benefit:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 07, 2025, 02:17:20 PMDon't forget about all the aliens, ghosts and time traveler stuff.
While this happened within the last four days (caused by a kernals12 thread), it's unrelated.
wow, a
real time machine here!!!! Quoted before written!
Geez... Look, guys...
1. Political discussion doesn't belong here. If mods want to remove posts, lock threads, kick users, whatever—then cool. This is a roadgeek forum, not a political forum. We have other off-topic boards, but politics isn't one of them.
2. "Achieving your goal" of "making us uncomfortable" is no valid reason to disrupt a non-political forum with your political protest. Go to Reddit for that, or Facebook, or wherever. Just as I hope you wouldn't start running around the mall screaming "Fuck you", you shouldn't do it here either. Some of us come here to get away from politics.
3. Sometimes rules are enforced unevenly. Oh well. Different mods have different thoughts, and I'm sure their thoughts change over time too. And no system is perfect. Don't obsess over someone else's being treated differently than a third someone else. If it isn't you, then who cares?
4. If someone told me to get a lobotomy, I'd probably laugh. That's hardly ban-worthy language.
5. It's time to get over having your spelling corrected. Move on.
6. Daniel Moraseski, I've just assumed, is simply paying forum penance for all the lo-o-o-ong time he was allowed to post his nastiness without reprimand. He had also, I believe, received multiple warnings in the past and flaunted them. So we shouldn't be surprised if others aren't treated as harshly as he has been.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 07, 2025, 02:25:35 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on February 07, 2025, 02:19:35 PMI still don't understand why everyone just excuses the behavior of Terry Shea and SP Cook. Sure, some of their stuff might be tangentially related to the topics, but they still post purposely inflammatory rhetoric constantly. Like I said, I am not against conservative voices on the forum (ask me who I voted for in the primaries, the answer may surprise you). I'm just against a very specific type of rhetoric polluting our threads.
You keep mentioning this in numerous threads. Awfully assumptive on your end to believe that most of us interact with these people or know what you're talking about.
I'm well aware of who SP Cook is (and I agree that he's an asshole), but I had to search the members list for Terry Shea. He seems to frequent subfora I seldom visit because I don't have anything to contribute to them. Sounds like maybe that's just as well for me.
Regarding conservative posters, I doubt it would surprise anyone that I fall within that overall camp, but it might surprise you how I voted in the last three presidential elections.
Quote from: Rothman on February 07, 2025, 02:01:58 PMWell, guess political threads are okay now, given how this one has gone.
That or the moderation team is taking a break from the forum, and honestly I couldn't fault anyone for doing that at this point.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 07, 2025, 02:53:05 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 07, 2025, 02:25:35 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on February 07, 2025, 02:19:35 PMI still don't understand why everyone just excuses the behavior of Terry Shea and SP Cook. Sure, some of their stuff might be tangentially related to the topics, but they still post purposely inflammatory rhetoric constantly. Like I said, I am not against conservative voices on the forum (ask me who I voted for in the primaries, the answer may surprise you). I'm just against a very specific type of rhetoric polluting our threads.
You keep mentioning this in numerous threads. Awfully assumptive on your end to believe that most of us interact with these people or know what you're talking about.
I'm well aware of who SP Cook is (and I agree that he's an asshole), but I had to search the members list for Terry Shea. He seems to frequent subfora I seldom visit because I don't have anything to contribute to them. Sounds like maybe that's just as well for me.
Regarding conservative posters, I doubt it would surprise anyone that I fall within that overall camp, but it might surprise you how I voted in the last three presidential elections.
I mostly know of SP from the NASCAR thread. I was only aware of Terry Shea as a forum member name that pops up on recent unread topics sometimes. I don't recall interacting with said person.
Oh, and...
7. Locking the thread but "choosing to leave this one public" because you "think it's an important reminder to everyone in the private sector that there are actual people caught up in this" was basically approving of his post. It made the tacit assumption that people who voted for Trump, what? didn't already know that the situation affects real people. Everybody knows that making cuts removes real people from their real jobs; throwing in the "putting food on the table" platitude only served to give the impression that it is the AARoads moderation staff's official position that none of those jobs should have been done away with. That's a political position.
For what it's worth, I did not vote for Trump.
Quote from: kphoger on February 07, 2025, 02:48:26 PM3. Sometimes rules are enforced unevenly. Oh well. Different mods have different thoughts, and I'm sure their thoughts change over time too. And no system is perfect. Don't obsess over someone else's being treated differently than a third someone else. If it isn't you, then who cares?
Quote from: kphoger on February 07, 2025, 03:15:06 PM7. Locking the thread but "choosing to leave this one public" because you "think it's an important reminder to everyone in the private sector that there are actual people caught up in this" was basically approving of his post. It made the tacit assumption that people who voted for Trump, what? didn't already know that the situation affects real people. Everybody knows that making cuts removes real people from their real jobs; throwing in the "putting food on the table" platitude only served to give the impression that it is the AARoads moderation staff's official position that none of those jobs should have been done away with. That's a political position.
Kphoger, now I'm genuinely curious how you reconcile these two points.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 07, 2025, 01:53:08 PMQuote from: hbelkins on February 07, 2025, 01:46:28 PMDang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?
TL;DR, someone bluntly told Trump voters to go fuck themselves, and it's the only damn thing we've been talking about on this roads forum.
And the whole thing seems a bit anti-climactic. The original post, an "inB4 lock," and then the locking announcement.
When it comes to politics people usually vote the lesser of two evils and not because they like the guy ( or woman).
Some know the cons when they vote, but some put up with it if the pros are worth it.
Example, taxes for one. People themselves would sacrifice paying themselves higher taxes if it causes people like Joe Biden or Trump to pay more. Yes folks like, Biden, Obama, Pelosi, and many politicians who are for taxing the rich are rich themselves benefitting from the tax rates themselves which we forget.
I can't say why people voted for Trump this time around for sure, but during elections every four years people usually don't vote for a person cause they like them. Bill Clinton the exception as people did like him cause he was a hippie and had an open marriage with his wife and other stuff. And yes he worked well even with the other party as he really was flexible and pride swallowing.
Quote from: webny99 on February 07, 2025, 03:28:32 PMKphoger, now I'm genuinely curious how you reconcile these two points.
Fair enough.
I wonder if you misunderstood my use of 'unevenly'. I meant their uneven application from one member to another.
But also, it seemed to me that Scott was blind to the fact that he was making a political statement. It's irritating when members let their politics into this thread, but it's especially frustrating when moderators do. And we all know that Scott is happy to let his politics be known.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 07, 2025, 03:33:37 PMWhen it comes to politics people usually vote the lesser of two evils and not because they like the guy ( or woman).
Some know the cons when they vote, but some put up with it if the pros are worth it.
This. I can't say I know anyone who voted for Trump because of this issue. They voted for him because of other issues.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 07, 2025, 03:32:04 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 07, 2025, 01:53:08 PMQuote from: hbelkins on February 07, 2025, 01:46:28 PMDang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?
TL;DR, someone bluntly told Trump voters to go fuck themselves, and it's the only damn thing we've been talking about on this roads forum.
And the whole thing seems a bit anti-climactic. The original post, an "inB4 lock," and then the locking announcement.
I actually managed to get in a post before the lock asking why he lives in Indiana and not 50 feet away in Illinois given his beliefs (he's said before it's for tax reasons), but I deleted it after it got locked because it would never be answered in that thread and it looked out of place when the thread ended the way it did.
Quote from: hotdogPi on February 07, 2025, 03:39:08 PMQuote from: hbelkins on February 07, 2025, 03:32:04 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 07, 2025, 01:53:08 PMQuote from: hbelkins on February 07, 2025, 01:46:28 PMDang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?
TL;DR, someone bluntly told Trump voters to go fuck themselves, and it's the only damn thing we've been talking about on this roads forum.
And the whole thing seems a bit anti-climactic. The original post, an "inB4 lock," and then the locking announcement.
I actually managed to get in a post before the lock asking why he lives in Indiana and not 50 feet away in Illinois given his beliefs (he's said before it's for tax reasons), but I deleted it after it got locked because it would never be answered in that thread and it looked out of place when the thread ended the way it did.
An interesting question that has remained unanswered. I suppose an answer would be against the forum rule of no politics, but not even the mods know if that's a rule anymore.
Quote from: hotdogPi on February 07, 2025, 03:39:08 PMQuote from: hbelkins on February 07, 2025, 03:32:04 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 07, 2025, 01:53:08 PMQuote from: hbelkins on February 07, 2025, 01:46:28 PMDang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?
TL;DR, someone bluntly told Trump voters to go fuck themselves, and it's the only damn thing we've been talking about on this roads forum.
And the whole thing seems a bit anti-climactic. The original post, an "inB4 lock," and then the locking announcement.
I actually managed to get in a post before the lock asking why he lives in Indiana and not 50 feet away in Illinois given his beliefs (he's said before it's for tax reasons), but I deleted it after it got locked because it would never be answered in that thread and it looked out of place when the thread ended the way it did.
There are a bunch of reasons why people live in places that have nothing to do with politics. For example, my wife and I talked about moving within the Denver metro, but the fact that interest rates are really high right now and our current mortgage is at 2.49%, it just doesn't make financial sense.
Quote from: kphoger on February 07, 2025, 03:36:29 PMQuoteKphoger, now I'm genuinely curious how you reconcile these two points.
Fair enough.
I wonder if you misunderstood my use of 'unevenly'. I meant their uneven application from one member to another.
Yeah, I did pick up on that and decided that #3 applies to the moderation of users, while #7 applies to moderation of content (which I obviously do think is an important distinction in this whole discussion).
I have removed the original post that started this discussion.
Quote from: hotdogPi on February 07, 2025, 03:39:08 PMQuote from: hbelkins on February 07, 2025, 03:32:04 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 07, 2025, 01:53:08 PMQuote from: hbelkins on February 07, 2025, 01:46:28 PMDang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?
TL;DR, someone bluntly told Trump voters to go fuck themselves, and it's the only damn thing we've been talking about on this roads forum.
And the whole thing seems a bit anti-climactic. The original post, an "inB4 lock," and then the locking announcement.
I actually managed to get in a post before the lock asking why he lives in Indiana and not 50 feet away in Illinois given his beliefs (he's said before it's for tax reasons), but I deleted it after it got locked because it would never be answered in that thread and it looked out of place when the thread ended the way it did.
Really weird that Illinois has the people he wants in power and yet stays in Indiana because his non-billionaire family pays less in taxes there. Then he mocks those who disagree with him despite that elephant in the room. That's more than a little hypocritical.
I think this thread has run its course. I doubt
@NWI_Irish96 is planning on doing something like this again, the original thread was deleted, and virtually everyone has gotten what they want out of the situation. And now we've resorted to demanding to know why someone lives where they do.
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 08, 2025, 11:04:55 AMI think this thread has run its course. I doubt @NWI_Irish96 is planning on doing something like this again, the original thread was deleted, and virtually everyone has gotten what they want out of the situation. And now we've resorted to demanding to know why someone lives where they do.
I'm not demanding because demanding someone to respond is against the TOS of this forum :D
(At least I am trying to be consistent here)
I'll admit my opinion on this soured even more when Irish revealed he hadn't actually lost his job. All the same Scott got rid of the comment the post that started all this, so aren't we just dragging this along now?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2025, 11:50:17 AMI'll admit my opinion on this soured even more when Irish revealed he hadn't actually lost his job. All the same Scott got rid of the comment the post that started all this, so aren't we just dragging this along now?
Because small community doesn't have too many discussion worthy topics, especially spicy offtopics.
K12 aliens fall way short of being such.
Quote from: kalvado on February 08, 2025, 12:57:08 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2025, 11:50:17 AMI'll admit my opinion on this soured even more when Irish revealed he hadn't actually lost his job. All the same Scott got rid of the comment the post that started all this, so aren't we just dragging this along now?
Because small community doesn't have too many discussion worthy topics, especially spicy offtopics.
K12 aliens fall way short of being such.
Got me there. Although Nissan puns seem to be gaining traction.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2025, 01:14:22 PMQuote from: kalvado on February 08, 2025, 12:57:08 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2025, 11:50:17 AMI'll admit my opinion on this soured even more when Irish revealed he hadn't actually lost his job. All the same Scott got rid of the comment the post that started all this, so aren't we just dragging this along now?
Because small community doesn't have too many discussion worthy topics, especially spicy offtopics.
K12 aliens fall way short of being such.
Got me there. Although Nissan puns seem to be gaining traction.
We really haven't come to much of an accord here.