SR 25 is being upgraded to an expressway from Logansport to Lafayette for a distance of approximately 32 miles. Although portions are parallel to the existing SR 25 roadway, the project consists of all new terrain road. This project extends the new and existing US 24 divided highway from Fort Wayne and Toledo to Logansport. The portion from Delphi to Lafayette is furthest along, but two other sections east (or north) of Delphi that bypass towns are also under construction. I believe by the end of 2011 or early 2012, the entire project will be under contract.
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Southbound SR 25 approaching Clymers
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On Kokomo Pike (CR 900N) near the Tippecanoe-Carroll County line west of Delphi
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Looking northbound from CR900E overpass in eastern Tippecanoe County
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Looking southbound from CR 625E overpass in eastern Tippecanoe County
Just a curious question, I think I've seen it on the project maps or not, but is US 421 going to have an interchange with the new highway and are there other interchanges planned, since I see overpasses in some of those pictures. I understand that this is going to be an expressway similar to US 24 east of Logansport, am I correct in this assumption?
http://www.in.gov/indot/div/projects/sr25study/pubs/SR25AerialFull.pdf
Looks like a diamond at US 421.
There also will be an interchange in Logansport.
Seven Intersections:
Existing SR 25 via connectors at each end
CR 500E, CR 450N, CR 750E, CR 900E, CR 700N
SR 25 Overpasses:
CR 900N, Norfolk Southern, County Line Road
Grade Separations:
CR 300N, CR 500E, CR 625E, CR 900E, CR 100E
I was involved on this project between 1999 and 2001. My firm did the environmental study and concept design and location on the entire corridor. I did much of the original conceptual design on the corridor, working in our Indiana office. There were numerous alternative alignments that were considered, BTW. Even though it took this many years to get this far, it is great to finally see it built. I live in Atlanta, so I don't get back to this part of Indiana very often, even though I am a Purdue grad.
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on June 25, 2011, 09:03:14 PM
I was involved on this project between 1999 and 2001. My firm did the environmental study and concept design and location on the entire corridor. I did much of the original conceptual design on the corridor, working in our Indiana office. There were numerous alternative alignments that were considered, BTW. Even though it took this many years to get this far, it is great to finally see it built. I live in Atlanta, so I don't get back to this part of Indiana very often, even though I am a Purdue grad.
Nice job.
This route also has several what I think are called "one-quadrant interchanges". Is that the right term? There is a description of them at http://www.expresswaysite.com/missouri.htm (http://www.expresswaysite.com/missouri.htm). I assume the reason for the large number of overpasses and these minor interchanges is because the highway parallels a busy railway track for almost the whole way.
Southwest of Delphi, SR 25 closely follows the RR track because that is what Tippecanoe County wanted. The purpose was to minimize the acquisition of prime farmland, and being so close to the railroad forced many of the grade separations.
Quote from: mukade on June 25, 2011, 09:46:03 PM
This route also has several what I think are called "one-quadrant interchanges". Is that the right term? There is a description of them at http://www.expresswaysite.com/missouri.htm (http://www.expresswaysite.com/missouri.htm). I assume the reason for the large number of overpasses and these minor interchanges is because the highway parallels a busy railway track for almost the whole way.
Oh, like a jughandle interchange?
Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 28, 2011, 04:39:48 PM
Quote from: mukade on June 25, 2011, 09:46:03 PM
This route also has several what I think are called "one-quadrant interchanges". Is that the right term? There is a description of them at http://www.expresswaysite.com/missouri.htm (http://www.expresswaysite.com/missouri.htm). I assume the reason for the large number of overpasses and these minor interchanges is because the highway parallels a busy railway track for almost the whole way.
Oh, like a jughandle interchange?
I thought jughandles were one way ramps at at-grade intersections, but I don't know for sure. These are two way ramps at grade-separated ones. The issue is that the highway parallels a railroad track so having intersections would be dangerous.
I am not sure what the final design ended up being, since I only worked on the concept phase. However, based on the photos and the discussion here, it appears the overall concept didn't change very much in the last 10 years. I actually drew up so-called single-quadrant interchanges back in 2000 on this project. You are right, the single quadrant interchanges were used to provide intersections with the roadways that crossed the railroad track. If the new roadway were located further from the railroad, they would not had been necessary.
The parallel railroad is high speed and has lots of rail traffic on it. I do remember that. One nice by-product of having SR 25 so close to the railroad tracks is that the County got several new railroad grade separations for important county roads as part of this project.
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on June 28, 2011, 09:50:40 PM
I am not sure what the final design ended up being, since I only worked on the concept phase. However, based on the photos and the discussion here, it appears the overall concept didn't change very much in the last 10 years. I actually drew up so-called single-quadrant interchanges back in 2000 on this project. You are right, the single quadrant interchanges were used to provide intersections with the roadways that crossed the railroad track. If the new roadway were located further from the railroad, they would not had been necessary.
The parallel railroad is high speed and has lots of rail traffic on it. I do remember that. One nice by-product of having SR 25 so close to the railroad tracks is that the County got several new railroad grade separations for important county roads as part of this project.
For SR 25, these interchanges are a safe, affordable, and effective solution. In Indiana, my only disappointment is where US 24 and Bruick Rd east of Fort Wayne is getting one of these single quadrant interchanges. If it wasn't for that interchange, the Indiana portion of Fort to Port would be a freeway except for the pre-existing I-469 interchange itself (which will presumably be upgraded in a few years).
Did INDOT studied other possibilities like adding some "diamond slip ramp" at these quadrant interchanges like for example the interchange of TCH-20 with PQ-171 at Bernières (now amalgated to Levis)? There a CN railroad who's parralel to TCH-20 from Laurier-Station to St-Redempteur.
http://maps.google.com/?ll=46.677416,-71.349635&spn=0.01138,0.027466&t=k&z=16
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More sections of SR 25 have started construction including the part bypassing Delphi. Here is an article from the Peru Tribune entitled Completion of $213 million Hoosier Heartland Industrial Corridor 2 years away (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&subsectionID=238&articleID=62084). Several more contracts are due to be let in the next few months. Below are some pictures taken in October, 2011.
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New divided highway approaching completion in Clymers on left; old two laner on the right
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Another section in beginning stages of construction near Burrows
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Concrete being laid in Tippecanoe County
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A couple of miles east of project terminus at I-65 in Lafayette
After all the work I did on that project, glad to finally see pictures of it going into the ground.
One peculiar thing about the SR 25 project is that construction is well along from near I-65 in Lafayette northeast to almost Delphi, but there is no evidence of construction where it actually would tie into current SR 25 by I-65. Recently, I noticed they are considering constructing a roundabout at this point. See this INDOT online document (http://www.in.gov/indot/div/projects/sr25study/pubs/2011-01-07-SR25Segment1A-AI.pdf).
I've never seen a roundabout on an expressway before. How safe would that be?
If the roundabout is well designed it probably will be safe. Needless to say, our version of the intersection was the original design shown in the INDOT document. Nobody was doing multi-lane roundabouts in the USA 10 years ago.
There is still not too much experience with multi-laned roundabouts to date in the US. I love single-lane roundabouts for many applications, but multi-lane roundabouts introduce more conflict points and more potential for driver confusion than the single lane versions.
However, one benefit of a roundabout design at that location is the traffic calming effect on SR 25 traffic approaching the existing I-65 interchange, which is not an expressway section. I have recently prepared an approved concept for a multi-laned roundabout in the Atlanta area not too dissimilar to the INDOT proposed change. Time will tell on that one as well.
^ Either option doesn't look like the best; did INDOT even bother to look at an alignment with a new interchange with I-65 so a Breesewood situation could be avoided?
Keep in mind that SR 25 is not an Interstate, much less a freeway. There are numerous at-grade intersections along the relocated facility, so Breezwood does not apply. The overpasses from the photos are due to the proximity of relocated SR 25 to the parallel railroad tracks. There are already signalized ramps at the I-65 interchange that are not part of this project. Even so, the operating speeds on new SR 25 will be signficantally higher than the existing facility on both sides of the roundabout. The roundabout will force traffic to slow down approaching I-65, without needing a traffic signal.
BTW, if INDOT were going to look at a new interchange, that would had been done in 1999-2001, when we were working on the project. It was not part of the scope of our project, and there was no money allocated for it in any case. Redoing the interchange now would delay the project for years, as the environmental document would have to be reopened.
If you look at the directions that I-65 and SR 25 travel, I am not sure what a redesigned interchange might even look like. From what I see, SR 25 (the Hoosier Heartland Highway) is designed to serve Lafayette/Purdue as its ultimate destination. Anyone going from Peru, Logansport, or Delphi to Chicago or Indy would not take SR 25 or I-65. There would be too much backtracking. If by some chance the Hoosier heartland became US 24 west of Logansport, and a bypass was built north of Lafayette, I could see an interchange redesign at I-65 might make sense.
As RoadWarrior56 noted, there are a lot of overpasses on this highway as it parallels railroad tracks the majority of the route - both on the new terrain and existing route parts. Additionally, there will be two full interchanges well away from the railroad tracks (one in Delphi, one in Logansport). This road will feel like a freeway even though it isn't one.
I would think that the new US 24 in Northwestern Ohio would be a comparable highway in the way it feels to the new SR 25. There are a few interchanges but there are also at-grade intersections with county roads, as opposed to the Indiana section which is all freeway (almost anyways.) A lack of a parallel railroad track though doesn't warrent bridges on 24, other than that I think the highways are similar.
Even though there will be several overpasses along SR 25, the connections from the roads going over the railroad and SR 25 will be "single quadrant" interchanges, meaning that there will be an at-grade intersection along SR 25 associated with each overpass. The only true interchanges along the corridor will be at the major state highways such as US 421 nearly Delphi and the northern terminus near Logansport.
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on December 04, 2011, 01:28:49 PM
Keep in mind that SR 25 is not an Interstate, much less a freeway. There are numerous at-grade intersections along the relocated facility, so Breezwood does not apply.
Alright, Kingdom City (Missouri) type situation then. :sombrero:
Quote from: mukade on December 04, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
If you look at the directions that I-65 and SR 25 travel, I am not sure what a redesigned interchange might even look like. From what I see, SR 25 (the Hoosier Heartland Highway) is designed to serve Lafayette/Purdue as its ultimate destination. Anyone going from Peru, Logansport, or Delphi to Chicago or Indy would not take SR 25 or I-65. There would be too much backtracking. If by some chance the Hoosier heartland became US 24 west of Logansport, and a bypass was built north of Lafayette, I could see an interchange redesign at I-65 might make sense.
I was thinking of traffic somehow accessing the Hoosier Heartland via US 231 from I-74. It appears to be about 30 miles from I-74, so I'm wondering if the gap might end up attracting some traffic using as an Indianapolis and super Chicago bypass. Might seem unlikely, but then considering how IN 32 gets a decent amount of truck traffic that seems to be cutting from I-74 to I-65 (although this one is half the length of I-74 to the Hoosier Heartland), it's not out of the question.
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 04, 2011, 07:50:15 PM
I was thinking of traffic somehow accessing the Hoosier Heartland via US 231 from I-74. It appears to be about 30 miles from I-74, so I'm wondering if the gap might end up attracting some traffic using as an Indianapolis and super Chicago bypass. Might seem unlikely, but then considering how IN 32 gets a decent amount of truck traffic that seems to be cutting from I-74 to I-65 (although this one is half the length of I-74 to the Hoosier Heartland), it's not out of the question.
Agreed, it is not out of the question. They are currently building a new US 231 bypass along the west end of West Lafayette. However, for it to become a highly traveled road, there are two big issues, IMO:
1) It is a pain to get from I-65 to US 231 - SR 25, SR 26, and Sagamore Pkwy (US 52 until next year) are all slow and congested. That is why I mentioned a dream northern bypass that would connect the new SR 25 to the new US 231 western bypass
2) US 231 between Lafayette and Crawfordsville is all two lane highway and goes through the middle of two small towns
Logically, it looks like the Hoosier Heartland/Fort to Port corridors would be a logical extension to I-72, but I doubt that would ever happen.
With all these Indiana projects, someone ought to do a meet!
This is a photo of the new US 231 bypass as seen from SR 526 at the Purdue Airport in West Lafayette taken October, 2011.
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This is on the opposite side of town as to where the new SR 25 is being built. It starts just north of the Wabash River and ends at US 52. This bypass will also carry the US 52 designation.
Speaking of the Lafayette area, is there is reason that US 52 is being rerouted over to the new US 231. Is it an INDOT request or something from Lafayette and West Lafayette?
That appears to be an INDOT request, with the motivation most likely that Sagamore Parkway would no longer have to be maintained by INDOT.
Quote from: mukade on December 03, 2011, 09:22:45 PM
I've never seen a roundabout on an expressway before. How safe would that be?
Last year I drove on the expressway portion of MA 2 west of Boston, including a fairly large multilane roundabout. Traffic entered and exited at about 40 MPH, maintaining two lanes all the way through, despite a lack of visible lane markings. That was a bit scary.
I'm sure this new roundabout on IN 25 will be much smaller, slower, and safer.
Quote from: vtk on December 08, 2011, 12:11:41 AM
Last year I drove on the expressway portion of MA 2 west of Boston, including a fairly large multilane roundabout. Traffic entered and exited at about 40 MPH, maintaining two lanes all the way through, despite a lack of visible lane markings. That was a bit scary.
standard fare in Europe. works better in Denmark than in France.
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on December 05, 2011, 06:45:07 AM
That appears to be an INDOT request, with the motivation most likely that Sagamore Parkway would no longer have to be maintained by INDOT.
Why? It's not like they actually do any maintenence on that crappy road anyway. Maybe they just don't want the embarrassment of having their name to it.
Well, ironically, they rebuilt the part from old SR 25 to around the Wabash this year - new PCCP.
Alright, another question for those who may be more familar with this project. I am currently complying a set of pictures for both SR 25 and US 24 for AARoads and was wondering about the northern termius of the project in Logansport. I understand the new highway is supposed to have an interchange with SR 29 and Burlington Road to the south of town and then it looks like it is going to flow into the existing highway. Will the remainder of the four-lane highway from that point west to the current intersection of US 24/US 35 and SR 29 exist? The website doesn't seem to specify whether that part will be eliminated or not, I would think that it would, but I'm not sure.
I can't tell. The maps they have on the site don't show any sort of connection, but the EIS does. It may have been changed, or the maps may be wrong.
The map is on the INDOT web site:
INDOT SR 25 Segment 4 map (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/files/segment4.pdf). Look at page 6 for best detail, but what happens to existing US 24, I have no idea. It does not show it as being abandoned - it is a modern, wide divided highway after all. Perhaps RoadWarrior56 know as he was on the design team.
Here is some local news coverage about the Logansport portion on it:
New SR 25 will make some residents move (http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/local/new-state-road-25-will-make-some-residents-move)
I was the one who reloacated SR 25 to connect to US 24 where it shows on the map. However, we had existing US 24 teeing into the relocated facility. It may still be that way, I am not sure the detail shown in the map you referred to would include that. The reason that the new roadway was relocated was that there is a major facility opposite the current terminus of the US 24 segment.
The INDOT PDF just shows the new route breaking off the existing one to the southwest, and the existing roadway staying where it is. That map has issues, however: SR 25 is marked as US 25 for one, but more importantly, it is shown as US 25 east of the new interchange. I assume SR 25 will be re-routed on to either the Logansport Bypass or Burlington Ave.
It was that PDF map I was looking at when I wondered about that interchange. It just seemed weird, besides the other inaccuracies, that the new highway would break off of the present alignment toward the southwest without there being an intersection or interchange present.
Drove on a recently-opened section of the new SB lanes near Clymers on Saturday; they were running two-way traffic on them. Not having driven through there between Nov. 13 and Saturday, I don't know exactly when they opened them but it appears to be quite recent. Traffic is now using a couple of the new overpasses.
Church sues state over Hoosier Heartland project (http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-church-sues-state-over-hoosier-heartland-project-20120105,0,1808529.column)
"An Indiana church is taking the state to court in hopes of surviving the aftermath of a massive highway project..."
I guess this could also be in the eminent domain thread as well.
I took a drive down SR 25 last week and noticed these things going from west to east:
- There is still no evidence of the tie-in to existing SR 25 just east of I-65. This is where the roundabout is proposed
- It looks like about a mile and a half of the new terrain mainline is yet to be paved. Pavement goes up to about 500E.
- The gap between the proposed roundabout and what is under construction is just a few hundred feet
- A connector from new SR 25 to old SR 25 west of Delphi is mostly complete, but apparently will not be completed until the new road opens
- Beams for the new overpass at US 421/SR 18 were being delivered the day I drove down
- Road construction signs are posted on current SR 25 in and east of Delphi, but I saw no evidence of actual construction yet
- Large sections of the new highway were being built parallel and adjacent to the existing road east of SR 218
- Around Clymers, the westbound lanes of new SR 25 are carrying two-way traffic, and the old SR 25 is in the process of being removed
- At least two more new overpasses are under construction in this section between SR 218 and Clymers
- A new overpass is also under costruction in Logansport taking new SR 25 over Kokomo Pike. This is not too far from where the new route will tie into existing US 24/US 35
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Beam being delivered for new overpass in Delphi (and causing a big traffic jam)
New contracts are to be let in April and July.
Are those cutout US 421 markers?
Quote from: hbelkins on March 25, 2012, 10:40:57 PM
Are those cutout US 421 markers?
Yep. There are a handful of those in Delphi. They're not true cutout shields though; they have no black border. I suspect that someone mounted shields that were supposed to go on BGS's.
I've seen the same thing at the intersection of US 6 and US 35.
They are like that on US 421 south to Rossville. So if it was a mistake, it was a big mistake.
Quote from: mukade on March 26, 2012, 07:24:01 PM
They are like that on US 421 south to Rossville. So if it was a mistake, it was a big mistake.
there are a lot of 421s. I've seen some in Monticello.
Google Maps now shows some pretty good satellite images of the new SR 25. Also, these projects still under construction are now shown:
- US 31 Kokomo
- US 31 South Bend
- US 24 Fort Wayne
- SR 331 new route in South Bend (just north of US 20)
Despite being under construction, these projects are still not shown:
- I-69 between SR 68 and US 231
- new US 231 bypass in Lafayette
- new US 31/SR 38 interchange in Noblesville
Next contract awarded on SR 25 will be from SR 29 to existing US 24/US 35 - looks like Primco submitted lowest bid.
Bing maps does a good job at showing the I-69 corridor from SR 68 up to US 231, and in an additional note it shows the I-465 Westside construction with the new interchange at I-74 as it was last fall along with the new interchnages along that stretch. Haven't seen any aerials for Lafayette or US 31/SR 38, but I have seen new BGSs on northbound 31 at SR 38 recently.
Bing Maps does show I-69 well, but only a couple of the zoom levels. And it doesn't label the two mile stretch north of I-64 as being I-69.
The I-465 interchanges seem to be old images with new labels - like at the Sam Jones Expy. interchange.
As for SR 25, these are the signage plans for the Logansport interchange:
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This confirms that US 24 and US 35 will share the same road as SR 25. SR 29 would therefore be shortened by a few blocks. The online plans also confirm part of the existing US 24/US 35 will be removed. You gotta love the "No Name" sign. I hope that is just a placeholder.
As for the old SR 25 route east of I-65, it apparently will be turned back to the county and will be called "Old SR 25" (strangely enough). One diagram I saw showed it as SR 225, but that apparently was not right.
State Road 25's new name will be "Old" (http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/local/State-road-25s-new-name-is-expected-to-be-old)
mukade where did you get that sign info?
Go to https://netservices.indot.in.gov/ViewDocs2.0/ (https://netservices.indot.in.gov/ViewDocs2.0/).
Get the contract numbers from any of the lettings pages. In the drop down select "Plan/Drawing Sets". Choose traffic documents if they exist - otherwise, select road plans.
Thanks to you I know how to navigate there, but any idea what contract number, or what district and time the plans for those signs came from?
US 231 is 29161 -- I would love for someone to figure this one out
SR 25 is 30853
You can also search by district and date (just specify a year if you don't know a month).
Otherwise, use http://www.state.in.us/dot/div/contracts/letting/index.html (http://www.state.in.us/dot/div/contracts/letting/index.html)
Interesting in the SR 25 plans--exiting 25 NB at the new interchange near Logansport, they have a sign for 25 NB as a left turn along with 24WB/35NB, but the sign for Rochester left is at the second intersection. Is 25 taking Burlington Avenue into Logansport? If so, they have an error in the plans. If 25 is somehow supposed to turn onto 24WB/35EB, then why is the Rochester sign at the following intersection? Something is weird.
From page 165 of those plans, it looks like maybe NO NAME is a placeholder for a ramp to the existing US24/35 westbound as the new alingnment curves southeast toward the new construction. Interesting that "Logansport" or "Downtown Logansport" isn't on a sign in the plans, as there are existing signs for Logansport at the exit off the existing bypass.
Also, putting some pages together, it seems like the existing at-grade "interchange" between 24/35 and IN 29 just south of the existing (to remain) rail overpass and the existing IN 25 interchange (does that stay or not?) seems like it may stay as a T-intersection. I thought that section of the existing 24/35 was going away, but the plans seem to show it. Doesn't that mean keeping a couple overpasses in service that would otherwise be able to go away? (Plans for removal of existing signs show removal of a lot of the existing signs there but not all, including a yellow double-arrow, and separate sheets for new signage show new signage at that location at an intersection.)
25 will be routed onto burlington ave
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 26, 2012, 06:10:21 PM
Interesting in the SR 25 plans--exiting 25 NB at the new interchange near Logansport, they have a sign for 25 NB as a left turn along with 24WB/35NB, but the sign for Rochester left is at the second intersection. Is 25 taking Burlington Avenue into Logansport? If so, they have an error in the plans. If 25 is somehow supposed to turn onto 24WB/35EB, then why is the Rochester sign at the following intersection? Something is weird.
From page 165 of those plans, it looks like maybe NO NAME is a placeholder for a ramp to the existing US24/35 westbound as the new alingnment curves southeast toward the new construction. Interesting that "Logansport" or "Downtown Logansport" isn't on a sign in the plans, as there are existing signs for Logansport at the exit off the existing bypass.
Also, putting some pages together, it seems like the existing at-grade "interchange" between 24/35 and IN 29 just south of the existing (to remain) rail overpass and the existing IN 25 interchange (does that stay or not?) seems like it may stay as a T-intersection. I thought that section of the existing 24/35 was going away, but the plans seem to show it. Doesn't that mean keeping a couple overpasses in service that would otherwise be able to go away? (Plans for removal of existing signs show removal of a lot of the existing signs there but not all, including a yellow double-arrow, and separate sheets for new signage show new signage at that location at an intersection.)
The Rochester sign I saw in the plans (SR 25 NB) is correct. The westbound side of current US 24/US 35 stays, but the plans show EB being removed.
Quote from: mukade on June 26, 2012, 07:12:33 PM
The Rochester sign I saw in the plans (SR 25 NB) is correct. The westbound side of current US 24/US 35 stays, but the plans show EB being removed.
Yes, saw that at the eastern point where 24/35 diverges onto its new alignment and the next sheet west, that it appears that the existing westbound side seems to stay. However, at the existing intersection with IN 29, it shows a divided highway intersecting current 29/future 24/35. Can't tell from the plans what happens in between without poring over all the pages...it must be in there somewhere.
The interesting thing about the sign on the ramp carrying IN 25 NB approaching the first intersection (with current IN 29, future 24 WB/35 NB) is that it says
↑ Rochester
← Monticello
← Laporte
But at the intersection, IN 25 NB, US 24 WB, and US 35 NB are _all_ posted as being to the left. IN 25, which has Rochester as its control city, isn't until the NEXT intersection, Burlington Ave. So the Rochester sign is correct as I thought/said, but the IN 25 signage needs to move by one intersection, right?
Which page has those signs?
The INDOT web site "projects" area has an aerial map of SR 25, and it shows the old route is divided where it meets the N-S road that carries SR 29. I think I posted that link in one of the threads.
Quote from: mukade on June 26, 2012, 08:28:42 PM
Which page has those signs?
The INDOT web site "projects" area has an aerial map of SR 25, and it shows the old route is divided where it meets the N-S road that carries SR 29. I think I posted that link in one of the threads.
Page 159/203 has the destination sign; Page 160/203 has the discrepant shield assembly at the first intersection of the ramp.
Also, page 169/203 shows "RMA-15" for the shield assembly at the intersection of the WB ramp with Burlington Ave, and it appears to show IN 25 NB right......and IN 25 SB LEFT (not straight)!! Hmm.
P.S. This is the Road Plans for contract 30853 from https://netservices.indot.in.gov/ViewDocs2.0/.
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 26, 2012, 08:35:46 PM
Page 159/203 has the destination sign; Page 160/203 has the discrepant shield assembly at the first intersection of the ramp.
Also, page 169/203 shows "RMA-15" for the shield assembly at the intersection of the WB ramp with Burlington Ave, and it appears to show IN 25 NB right......and IN 25 SB LEFT (not straight)!! Hmm.
P.S. This is the Road Plans for contract 30853 from https://netservices.indot.in.gov/ViewDocs2.0/.
RMA-2 is misplaced on the map on 160 for sure. That assembly should be on SR 29 near R5-1.
I agree, RMA-15 has the wrong arrow for SB SR-25.
Other interesting contract numbers include:
- 30845 SR 25 Delphi interchange
- 30111 US 31 Kokomo traffic plans
- 33291 I-69 at Union Chapel Road
any chance that unnamed section that will soon be former us 24/35 will become a new state route? or will it be handed over to logansport?
Hoosier Heartland nearing final leg with opening of bids on 4.7-mile segment (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=232&ArticleID=65679) (Indiana Economic Digest)
Check this news story out on SR 25 east of Lafayette.
http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/local/State-Road-25-Hoosier-heartland-highway-may-have-roundabout-in-Lafayette
Quote from: US 231 on July 18, 2012, 10:57:32 PM
Check this news story out on SR 25 east of Lafayette.
http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/local/State-Road-25-Hoosier-heartland-highway-may-have-roundabout-in-Lafayette
That was discussed earlier in this thread, and the roundabout is already half built. This is the way it looked today:
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Except for pavement markings and signs, the highway seems complete from the roundabout in Lafayette to just west of Delphi. The next section to US 421 is coming along nicely, but has a few months to go. From US 421 east, it is mostly under construction, but near Clymers, the new road is open as shown in the picture below.
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Construction on the last stretch from Logansport west has not begun, but should start soon.
Heartland plan hits milestone (http://kokomotribune.com/opinion/x941537054/Heartland-plan-hits-milestone) (Kokomo Tribune)
Hoosier Heartland still on schedule (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CjQPO0IeME&feature=relmfu) (on YouTube)
Following up on the US 31 South Bend video...
This is from last year, but is still mildly interesting. If it had showed the Lafayette section, it would have been better.
Is the whole route scheduled to be finished this yr?
Below are links to two excellent articles from JConline about the SR 25 upgrade.
Hoosier Heartland Highway causing headaches for some property owners (http://www.jconline.com/article/20120811/NEWS/308110032/hoosier-heartland-highway-headaches?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE&nclick_check=1)
At a glance: The Hoosier Heartland project (http://www.jconline.com/article/20120811/NEWS/308110031/hoosier-heartland-highway-at-a-glance?odyssey=obinsite)
I took a drive down the Hoosier Heartland corridor and it looks to be under construction from end to end. As the final contract was awarded August 3, I was pretty surprised to see a lot earth work done in that section.
Except for the actual roundabout at SR 25 and old SR 25 and where the connector from the HH to meets old SR 25 just west of Delphi, the west end is done (including signage). Further, asphalt paving is underway from that connector to US 421 in Delphi. As INDOT may open the western section in October, I am not sure if the plan is to open it to US 421 or to the connector.
East of there, I saw a lot of progress, but nothing except the area around Clymers that is already open has been paved. The closest thing to it was soil stabilization being done in two areas.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FSR25WestEnd-1.jpg&hash=2de292d8ca29cf1a3b69c5624d7007e97359380b)
Looking southwest to the new roundabout and I-65 in Lafayette
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US 421 interchange on the Hoosier Heartland in Delphi
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Hoosier Heartland over Kokomo Pike in Logansport
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The new route of the Hoosier heartland (US 24/US 35) veering south of the existing road in Logansport. The existing road in the foreground will presumably be removed.
The section of new SR 25 from Delphi to I-65 is all signed and striped except for the roundabout on the west side and connector on the east side. The traffic at the roundabout is actually using the new eastbound lanes of the new road/roundabout while they are building/rebuilding the westbound lanes to I-65. Looks like maybe a month or so before it is open.
From the Delphi connector to the new interchange at US 421, the paving appears to be close to complete. I am not sure when this part is scheduled to open. Definitely, the whole project from Lafayette to Logansport is under construction if not open.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FSR25_Lafayette-4.jpg&hash=e64181c493ed0572287aca5b547c59c0d1268f57)
Looking west from CR 500E (Tippecanoe County) not far from the roundabout. This section will be the first to open.
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Looking east from CR 800W (Carroll County) in Delphi toward the new US 421 interchange
From the INDOT-NW Facebook page:
"Ready for the first leg of the new State Road 25 Hoosier Heartland to open? We're about a week away from traffic hitting the road on the stretch between Delphi and Lafayette!"
That makes sense as the I-65/SR 25 interchange is closed so they can tie it in. From what I saw from I-65 Sunday, the big roundabout looked very close to completion. The mainline from the roundabout by I-65 to US 421 in Delphi is all striped and signed.
I was up there last weekend for the Purdue Homecoming. Too bad SR 25 wasn't open yet and also too bad it rained so hard that afternoon. Since I was involved with the concept design and location, I especially want to drive it at some point. The less said about the football game with Wisconsin, the better.
Carroll County Comet article here (http://www.carrollcountycomet.com/news/2012-10-17/Front_Page/Hoosier_Heartland_opens_Oct_24_from_Delphi_to_Lafa.html).
The link below is an editorial from the Lafayette Journal Courier (jconline) on the imminent opening of a key section of the Hoosier Heartland:
Quote
If you've ever driven between Lafayette and Delphi, you know the story about Indiana 25.
It's narrow, with what the Indiana Department of Transportation calls "minimal earth shoulders" that came with the circa-1931 design.
It's hilly. The rolling terrain...
Editorial: Finally, the Hoosier Heartland (http://www.jconline.com/article/20121023/OPINION01/310230008/Editorial-Finally-Hoosier-Heartland?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cp)
for those who haven't seen the new route http://www.openstreetmap.org/ they always seem to have all the new routes posted.
Apparently, the section of SR 25 from Lafayette to Delphi opened today according to this article (http://www.jconline.com/article/20121024/NEWS02/310240011/New-Hoosier-Heartland-segment-open?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs&nclick_check=1). I drove by there around 5:30 pm, and it had not opened to traffic at that time, but it looked as if it would this evening.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FSR25Roundabout-1.jpg&hash=9b32594ba5b6d918ee31235597e9ce39ba433671)
This sign will be remounted on a new gantry as will the one shown below
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(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FSR25--US421-1.jpg&hash=9235e4802c747c615afff105b9b9be9e9597a12a)
Directional sign in Delphi with Illinois-style state road markers
When will Delphi to logansport be done?
Weird signs. Why is Delphi so small on the first one (and centered under NORTH)? Why are the IN 18 and 39 shields off-looking? Hmm.
It will still be nice to have even with weird signs. While 25 from Logansport down to Lafayette has all been bad, the part south of Delphi always seemed brutal. Not many passing areas, always some slowpoke or a truck, so-so sightlines.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of the eastern end of 225. Guess we will know soon now?
That first picture, it was mentioned that it will be put up on some gantry, will it be that sign or a different sign? As for the highway shields at the Delphi exit, did some Illinois company do the signing, that would be my guess on their apperance. At least there's no Clearview I suppose.
It amazes me just how much Indiana is committed to new road construction!
Quote from: PurdueBill on October 24, 2012, 11:41:37 PM
Weird signs. Why is Delphi so small on the first one (and centered under NORTH)? Why are the IN 18 and 39 shields off-looking? Hmm.
each white square lacks an internal black border. it makes them look like Illinois markers.
Quote from: PurdueBill on October 24, 2012, 11:41:37 PM
Weird signs. Why is Delphi so small on the first one (and centered under NORTH)? Why are the IN 18 and 39 shields off-looking? Hmm.
It will still be nice to have even with weird signs. While 25 from Logansport down to Lafayette has all been bad, the part south of Delphi always seemed brutal. Not many passing areas, always some slowpoke or a truck, so-so sightlines.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of the eastern end of 225. Guess we will know soon now?
As of yesterday, SR 225 remained unchanged. Indiana has a number of state roads that still end at the junction with the old route. SR 257 (N) and SR 55 (N) come to mind.
I drove the new road today, and it makes the trip from Lafayette to Delphi very quick. The road is very nice with several overpasses and most of these have "one-quadrant interchanges". It temporarily ends at a diamond interchange in Delphi and of course there is the existing I-65 interchange and roundabout in Lafayette.
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Southbound signage approaching the roundabout - it reminds me a little of Australia or New Zealand signs
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Unique sign on northbound lane that apparently will be up until the next new section of SR 25 opens
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The highway feels like a freeway with all of the overpasses
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 24, 2012, 11:33:03 PM
When will Delphi to logansport be done?
All of it is under constructiion. The part around Clymers (maybe 5 miles) is done and open. Possibly more will open this year, but only using the westbound carriageway.
Quote from: mukade on October 25, 2012, 08:17:15 PM
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Unique sign on northbound lane that apparently will be up until the next new section of SR 25 opens
Interesting. Presumably this is approaching the left turn to old SR 25 into Delphi?
Yes, approaching the connector to Old SR 25 near Delphi.
Quote from: Henry on October 25, 2012, 12:48:00 PM
It amazes me just how much Indiana is committed to new road construction!
Amazing what a $3.8 billion payout to lease a toll road can do to road construction funding.
Now, let's see what Indiana does (or doesn't do) to keep the momentum going, particuarly to complete projects like I-69.
so what happened to SR 225?
Quote from: PurdueBill on October 24, 2012, 11:41:37 PM
Weird signs. Why is Delphi so small on the first one (and centered under NORTH)? Why are the IN 18 and 39 shields off-looking? Hmm.
I suspect that small Dephi willl be overlaid with Logansport when the remaining stretch opens.
Quote from: tvketchum on October 28, 2012, 11:34:15 AM
Quote from: PurdueBill on October 24, 2012, 11:41:37 PM
Weird signs. Why is Delphi so small on the first one (and centered under NORTH)? Why are the IN 18 and 39 shields off-looking? Hmm.
I suspect that small Dephi willl be overlaid with Logansport when the remaining stretch opens.
The control cities on the signs for exit 175 of I-65 are Delphi and Lafayette, though--so wouldn't it make sense to have Delphi carry through? Unless they are going to replace the control cities on the I-65 signs too.
My thought about the strangeness of the sign isn't that Delphi is there vs. Logansport, but that Delphi is in such small print and centered under NORTH instead of centered in the sign completely below the first line. It looks like it was an afterthought completely.
Note that the arrows are on a strip of greenout.
Drove this way over the weekend and felt too that it is a huge improvement over the former SR 25. I also noticed that there were quite a few mileage signs on the highway that appeared after some of the roads that the highway crossed. Also, the mileage sign just east of the roundabout has Logansport listed first and then Delphi. I wonder if there is a reason that the further destination is listed first before the closer one, I think Europe does this a lot but it's very rare in Indiana and most of the U.S.
Someone should compare the actual signs with the design, but that mileage sign is also in all-caps which is wrong.
Hopefully you went all the way up to Logansport.
Actually I only went up to Delphi and back, but I'll make a trip up to Logansport later on. And I did notice that every sign on that highway (except at the roundabout and US 421 exit) was in all-caps, which is odd since Indiana has been going to mixed case signs for the past few years.
The impact of the new Indiana 25 is already being felt in Americus in Tippecanoe County. Apparently, the lack of a little white on green sign that has the town name on it is the main problem, that and a new four-lane highway that bypasses the town. Here's the article:
http://www.jconline.com/article/20121107/BUSINESS/311070034/americus-hoosier-heartland-businesses?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7C
Any business that is on a road to be bypassed will suffer the same problem. Owners should take action as soon as there is a hint of bypass being planned. Waiting until the traffic has gone is far too late.
On the flip side, homeowners with properties facing the bypassed road should see their values rise as quieter roads will make their homes more desirable.
I recently saw on Google Maps that the small portion of old SR 25 heading into Delphi is now Business SR 25, does anyone know if this is true, or just another error by Google?
I thought the name was just Old SR 25, but if it is a business route then it's local. When I was up there last November I didn't see any business route signings, but some may have gone up since then (I'm doubtful however.)
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 03, 2013, 06:00:30 PM
I recently saw on Google Maps that the small portion of old SR 25 heading into Delphi is now Business SR 25, does anyone know if this is true, or just another error by Google?
I drove on it about a month ago. I don't remember seeing any "Business" signage. If it was signed as such, that would mean that it's still an Indiana state highway. I've been under the impression the State handed it over to Carroll County for maintenance, so there shouldn't be any state highway number signage on it. Probably just another Google screw-up, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I was thinking about getting up that way next week sometime. I'll try to drive the old section to see what signs, if any, they have there.
BTW, there is a preponderance of really funky, unusual, out-of-the-ordinary, and just plain old fugly signage on the new section between Lafayette and Delphi. I know some of this has been mentioned before - and I'm sorry I don't have any pictures to post - but I think the signs are almost bad enough (words like "sloppy", "juvenile", and "whatever" come to mind) that INDOT should think about replacing them.
Quote from: Rushmeister on April 04, 2013, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 03, 2013, 06:00:30 PM
I recently saw on Google Maps that the small portion of old SR 25 heading into Delphi is now Business SR 25, does anyone know if this is true, or just another error by Google?
I drove on it about a month ago. I don't remember seeing any "Business" signage. If it was signed as such, that would mean that it's still an Indiana state highway. I've been under the impression the State handed it over to Carroll County for maintenance, so there shouldn't be any state highway number signage on it. Probably just another Google screw-up, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I wish I had a cite, but I'm pretty sure that a business route designation in Indiana is no guarantee that the route is state-maintained. In my town of South Bend we have BR US 31 and BR US 20, signed as such, although they are both city-maintained.
Quote from: theline on April 04, 2013, 02:42:01 PMIn my town of South Bend we have BR US 31 and BR US 20, signed as such, although they are both city-maintained.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/IN/IN19640311i1.jpg)
are there any equivalent US-20 shields with the block font?
BUS 31/20 are the two best signed Business routes in the State. There aren't many business routes in the state, I believe the only ones that exist are BUS 31, 20, 13, and 24. The other BUS 31 is in Peru I believe, and BUS 24 is horribly signed in the cities it used to go through in Logansport, Peru, and Wabash. I wish Indy would put Business routes up.
Quote from: Rushmeister on April 04, 2013, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 03, 2013, 06:00:30 PM
I recently saw on Google Maps that the small portion of old SR 25 heading into Delphi is now Business SR 25, does anyone know if this is true, or just another error by Google?
I drove on it about a month ago. I don't remember seeing any "Business" signage. If it was signed as such, that would mean that it's still an Indiana state highway. I've been under the impression the State handed it over to Carroll County for maintenance, so there shouldn't be any state highway number signage on it. Probably just another Google screw-up, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I was thinking about getting up that way next week sometime. I'll try to drive the old section to see what signs, if any, they have there.
BTW, there is a preponderance of really funky, unusual, out-of-the-ordinary, and just plain old fugly signage on the new section between Lafayette and Delphi. I know some of this has been mentioned before - and I'm sorry I don't have any pictures to post - but I think the signs are almost bad enough (words like "sloppy", "juvenile", and "whatever" come to mind) that INDOT should think about replacing them.
I agree, the signage along new 25 is terrible in some places, my biggest complaint is the size of some of the signs seemed too small.
Quote from: Rushmeister on April 04, 2013, 02:30:40 PM
BTW, there is a preponderance of really funky, unusual, out-of-the-ordinary, and just plain old fugly signage on the new section between Lafayette and Delphi. I know some of this has been mentioned before - and I'm sorry I don't have any pictures to post - but I think the signs are almost bad enough (words like "sloppy", "juvenile", and "whatever" come to mind) that INDOT should think about replacing them.
The signage is in all capital letters, which is something that INDOT has been going away from. There are is also a large number of mileage signs for a highway that's only less than 15 miles long, covering the distances to every small (and I do mean small) town along the route.
When will the final piece be finished?
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 04, 2013, 04:23:10 PM
BUS 24 is horribly signed in the cities it used to go through in Logansport, Peru, and Wabash.
this may have been* the last state-named cutout in Indiana. I believe it was in Logansport.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/IN/IN19550241i1.jpg)
I tried looking for it in 2009 and it was gone.
* the only competition I know of is a 27/33 pair somewhere that was photographed in 2000.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 04, 2013, 05:16:01 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 04, 2013, 04:23:10 PM
BUS 24 is horribly signed in the cities it used to go through in Logansport, Peru, and Wabash.
this may have been* the last state-named cutout in Indiana. I believe it was in Logansport.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/IN/IN19550241i1.jpg)
I tried looking for it in 2009 and it was gone.
* the only competition I know of is a 27/33 pair somewhere that was photographed in 2000.
Wow that's an old sign! I wonder if anymore of those exist out in the wild today still.
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 04, 2013, 08:09:02 PM
Wow that's an old sign! I wonder if anymore of those exist out in the wild today still.
not in Indiana, but there are a handful in Michigan. they're getting quite rare indeed.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 04, 2013, 02:43:08 PM
Quote from: theline on April 04, 2013, 02:42:01 PMIn my town of South Bend we have BR US 31 and BR US 20, signed as such, although they are both city-maintained.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/IN/IN19640311i1.jpg)
are there any equivalent US-20 shields with the block font?
None that I've noticed. The difference is probably due to the dates on which the routes became business routes. US 31 became a BR in the early 80s if memory serves, and US 20 was turned over in the 90s. The signs on BR 20 look much more modern. I'll keep my eyes peeled to see if I'm wrong.
Quote from: Rushmeister on April 04, 2013, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 03, 2013, 06:00:30 PM
I recently saw on Google Maps that the small portion of old SR 25 heading into Delphi is now Business SR 25, does anyone know if this is true, or just another error by Google?
I drove on it about a month ago. I don't remember seeing any "Business" signage. If it was signed as such, that would mean that it's still an Indiana state highway. I've been under the impression the State handed it over to Carroll County for maintenance, so there shouldn't be any state highway number signage on it. Probably just another Google screw-up, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I was thinking about getting up that way next week sometime. I'll try to drive the old section to see what signs, if any, they have there.
BTW, there is a preponderance of really funky, unusual, out-of-the-ordinary, and just plain old fugly signage on the new section between Lafayette and Delphi. I know some of this has been mentioned before - and I'm sorry I don't have any pictures to post - but I think the signs are almost bad enough (words like "sloppy", "juvenile", and "whatever" come to mind) that INDOT should think about replacing them.
I too was on it a few weeks ago in both directions; I found it interesting that southbound, there was nothing at the traffic light at the center of Delphi saying to turn left on 18/39/421 and go to the new 25; instead signage is still as it always was and leads you across the railroad, past McDonald's, and just into Tippecanoe County before tying into the new road. Northbound, signage carries you all the way to the temporary end of the new road. It seems like an instance of two roads being the same route number, or maybe one is officially NB and the other SB? Who knows!
The distance signage on the Lafayette-Delphi stretch is indeed fugly. It looks like it is some compressed variant, which is unusually low-quality for INDOT. The BGSs near the roundabout are also off-model in strange ways, so maybe it was just a bad contractor.
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 04, 2013, 04:23:10 PM
BUS 31/20 are the two best signed Business routes in the State. There aren't many business routes in the state, I believe the only ones that exist are BUS 31, 20, 13, and 24. The other BUS 31 is in Peru I believe, and BUS 24 is horribly signed in the cities it used to go through in Logansport, Peru, and Wabash. I wish Indy would put Business routes up.
Business US 50 in Bedford.
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Any news on the Delphi to Logansport section?
Quote from: hbelkins on April 04, 2013, 11:08:22 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 04, 2013, 04:23:10 PM
BUS 31/20 are the two best signed Business routes in the State. There aren't many business routes in the state, I believe the only ones that exist are BUS 31, 20, 13, and 24. The other BUS 31 is in Peru I believe, and BUS 24 is horribly signed in the cities it used to go through in Logansport, Peru, and Wabash. I wish Indy would put Business routes up.
Business US 50 in Bedford.
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Walnut Street in Bloomington is also labeled as "Business SR 37" here and there (it's the old SR 37 route before the bypass was built).
Quote from: thefro on April 16, 2013, 10:55:17 AM
Walnut Street in Bloomington is also labeled as "Business SR 37" here and there (it's the old SR 37 route before the bypass was built).
doesn't that area have some funky IN-37 shields, with a state outline and an extremely tiny number?
I understand this may be self-promotion (for me, the one who took the pictures,) but the front page of AARoads page for SR 37 shows both signs in their glory. Since they are off of INDOT's jurisdiction they can hopefully remain.
https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=s0037in
I also wanted to add that I've seen Business US 41 shields in Vincennes too, last year in fact to the south of the 6th Street interchange there.
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 16, 2013, 03:58:05 PM
I also wanted to add that I've seen Business US 41 shields in Vincennes too, last year in fact to the south of the 6th Street interchange there.
From Vincennes:
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Business US 41 shield (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mobilene/4949541581/) by mobilene (http://www.flickr.com/people/mobilene/), on Flickr
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Business US 50 shield (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mobilene/4949541019/) by mobilene (http://www.flickr.com/people/mobilene/), on Flickr
Quote from: theline on April 04, 2013, 09:09:57 PM
US 31 became a BR in the early 80s if memory serves, and US 20 was turned over in the 90s. The signs on BR 20 look much more modern. I'll keep my eyes peeled to see if I'm wrong.
From South Bend:
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West Business US 20 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mobilene/2769178027/) by mobilene (http://www.flickr.com/people/mobilene/), on Flickr
I like how black square shields have a tendency to fade to all white in Indiana.
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is the US-6 business route still around in Gary? I took that photo in 2006.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 16, 2013, 04:24:55 PM
I like how black square shields have a tendency to fade to all white in Indiana.
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is the US-6 business route still around in Gary? I took that photo in 2006.
I believe it is, I know it's still signed on the i-65 exit. And I believe those signs are still there too. All the state roads up there seem to be in disrepair.
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 16, 2013, 05:21:34 PM
I believe it is, I know it's still signed on the i-65 exit. And I believe those signs are still there too. All the state roads up there seem to be in disrepair.
I tried to find the shield in 2010 but had forgotten which road was old US-6 through Gary... I did not find it; but likely I did not look correctly.
Quote from: mobilene on April 16, 2013, 04:12:51 PM
Quote from: theline on April 04, 2013, 09:09:57 PM
US 31 became a BR in the early 80s if memory serves, and US 20 was turned over in the 90s. The signs on BR 20 look much more modern. I'll keep my eyes peeled to see if I'm wrong.
From South Bend:
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West Business US 20 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mobilene/2769178027/) by mobilene (http://www.flickr.com/people/mobilene/), on Flickr
Thanks for the pic! :camera:
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 16, 2013, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 16, 2013, 05:21:34 PM
I believe it is, I know it's still signed on the i-65 exit. And I believe those signs are still there too. All the state roads up there seem to be in disrepair.
I tried to find the shield in 2010 but had forgotten which road was old US-6 through Gary... I did not find it; but likely I did not look correctly.
Old US 6 is Ridge Road/37TH AVE in that area. I can't say if those particular signs are still there, but if you use street view at the intersection of SR 53 (Broadway) and Ridge RD, you will see the signage (I know it's old Street View). Also on either side of the exit with 65, there are Business US 6 signs, also at the end of SR 55.
my photo is westbound... that appears to be gone. eastbound looks to be still there.
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Quote from: silverback1065 on April 03, 2013, 06:00:30 PM
I recently saw on Google Maps that the small portion of old SR 25 heading into Delphi is now Business SR 25, does anyone know if this is true, or just another error by Google?
I drove on it about a month ago. I don't remember seeing any "Business" signage. If it was signed as such, that would mean that it's still an Indiana state highway. I've been under the impression the State handed it over to Carroll County for maintenance, so there shouldn't be any state highway number signage on it. Probably just another Google screw-up, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I was thinking about getting up that way next week sometime. I'll try to drive the old section to see what signs, if any, they have there.
BTW, there is a preponderance of really funky, unusual, out-of-the-ordinary, and just plain old fugly signage on the new section between Lafayette and Delphi. I know some of this has been mentioned before - and I'm sorry I don't have any pictures to post - but I think the signs are almost bad enough (words like "sloppy", "juvenile", and "whatever" come to mind) that INDOT should think about replacing them.
I too was on it a few weeks ago in both directions; I found it interesting that southbound, there was nothing at the traffic light at the center of Delphi saying to turn left on 18/39/421 and go to the new 25; instead signage is still as it always was and leads you across the railroad, past McDonald's, and just into Tippecanoe County before tying into the new road. Northbound, signage carries you all the way to the temporary end of the new road. It seems like an instance of two roads being the same route number, or maybe one is officially NB and the other SB? Who knows!
The distance signage on the Lafayette-Delphi stretch is indeed fugly. It looks like it is some compressed variant, which is unusually low-quality for INDOT. The BGSs near the roundabout are also off-model in strange ways, so maybe it was just a bad contractor.
I believe the reason for keeping SR 25 heading west on the old alignment is to keep trucks from overwhelming the school zone south of town, just before the new SR 25. Also, this little stretch, from SR 25 old alignment to US 421 was completed ahead of schedule.
Indeed the signage northbound on the new road tells trucks to turn on to the old road just before the county line. Southbound, no one (truck or otherwise) is made aware of the new road until they hit it south of Delphi. That is the odd thing to me--if the old route through Delphi is posted as 25 southbound without any direction to thru traffic to the new route, but at the entrance to the new road from 421 it also is marked as 25, does that mean that there are right now two "parallel" IN 25s? Hmm.
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 03, 2013, 06:00:30 PM
I recently saw on Google Maps that the small portion of old SR 25 heading into Delphi is now Business SR 25, does anyone know if this is true, or just another error by Google?
Perhaps this should answer it for you:
Quote from: mukade on October 25, 2012, 08:17:15 PM
The road is very nice with several overpasses and most of these have "one-quadrant interchanges". It temporarily ends at a diamond interchange in Delphi and of course there is the existing I-65 interchange and roundabout in Lafayette.
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BTW, it's a very nice-looking road!
That photo doesn't answer it, since it's at the Lafayette end.
On Saturday there were no mentions of "Business 25" anywhere--just "Old 25" at both the roundabout at the southern end of the new road and at the intersection with the new roadway that ties in the old road to Delphi with the new.
Sorry for being a bit late to the party on this project (slapslapslapslapslap...), but it is an interesting one in an interesting corridor.
Add me to the list of those who are not fully enamored with this highway's side-road 'interchanges', as well as its Lafayette end. OTOH, it does get the major part of the roadway BUILT and functioning and as time passes, the needs arise and funding becomes available, further improvements can be made (sort of like how WisDOT has been doing their major non-interstate corridors since before WWII).
One question relating to the entire corridor, what is the current line of thinking for tying the east end of this corridor into I-69 in the Huntington to Fort Wayne area? Could we be seeing a new-ROW connection running about due eastward from US 24 on Huntington's north side to I-69 at about that curve (it's by those two '10's on the RMcN road atlas map of Indiana)?
Mike
What they should do is in Roanoke, make 24 turn straight east and connect at the interchange with 469/69, it makes no sense to drive north for a few miles, only to backtrack south to the 469/69 interchange, just to keep following US 24.
Quote from: mgk920 on May 19, 2013, 11:08:38 AM
Add me to the list of those who are not fully enamored with this highway's side-road 'interchanges', as well as its Lafayette end.
If you notice, the single quadrant interchanges are where the highway parallels the railroad tracks. Putting at-grade railroad crossings and intersections is pretty dangerous, and this road does not have the volume of traffic to make it a full freeway so I think they are appropriate. The roundabout, likewise, works for now, at least. I drove down the highway today, and it certainly was not an inconvenience. I suppose the big danger would be if someone ignored the speed limit and warning signs and sped into it
Quote from: mgk920 on May 19, 2013, 11:08:38 AM
One question relating to the entire corridor, what is the current line of thinking for tying the east end of this corridor into I-69 in the Huntington to Fort Wayne area? Could we be seeing a new-ROW connection running about due eastward from US 24 on Huntington's north side to I-69 at about that curve (it's by those two '10's on the RMcN road atlas map of Indiana)?
I think the Fort Wayne MPO wants Lafayette Center Road improved between US 24 and I-469/I-69. Whether or not that would be a freeway or would be designated as US 24, I have no idea.
If the corridor would be extended southwest of Lafayette to I-74, it would create an interesting alternative for some travelers - basically, it would be all freeway or expressway from St. Joseph, Missouri to Toledo, Ohio.
If I recall as well, INDOT is planning on rerouting US 24 around the north side of Fort Wayne with both US 24 and US 30 following the northern half of I-469. That would make the US 24 route not as akward by backtracking itself, in fact I believe that is the actual reason. Not that a connection along Lafayette Center Road isn't needed, it is.
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Quote from: mgk920 on May 19, 2013, 11:08:38 AM
Add me to the list of those who are not fully enamored with this highway's side-road 'interchanges', as well as its Lafayette end.
If you notice, the single quadrant interchanges are where the highway parallels the railroad tracks. Putting at-grade railroad crossings and intersections is pretty dangerous, and this road does not have the volume of traffic to make it a full freeway so I think they are appropriate. The roundabout, likewise, works for now, at least. I drove down the highway today, and it certainly was not an inconvenience. I suppose the big danger would be if someone ignored the speed limit and warning signs and sped into it
Quote from: mgk920 on May 19, 2013, 11:08:38 AM
One question relating to the entire corridor, what is the current line of thinking for tying the east end of this corridor into I-69 in the Huntington to Fort Wayne area? Could we be seeing a new-ROW connection running about due eastward from US 24 on Huntington's north side to I-69 at about that curve (it's by those two '10's on the RMcN road atlas map of Indiana)?
I think the Fort Wayne MPO wants Lafayette Center Road improved between US 24 and I-469/I-69. Whether or not that would be a freeway or would be designated as US 24, I have no idea.
If the corridor would be extended southwest of Lafayette to I-74, it would create an interesting alternative for some travelers - basically, it would be all freeway or expressway from St. Joseph, Missouri to Toledo, Ohio.
The roundabout is ok I guess, it is very dangerous if you ignore the speed limit! I think the roundabout was unnecessary.
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 19, 2013, 06:24:21 PM
If I recall as well, INDOT is planning on rerouting US 24 around the north side of Fort Wayne with both US 24 and US 30 following the northern half of I-469. That would make the US 24 route not as akward by backtracking itself, in fact I believe that is the actual reason. Not that a connection along Lafayette Center Road isn't needed, it is.
That would solve the problem, but I personally think the laf center idea is much better, but it would be more expensive.
Quote from: mgk920 on May 19, 2013, 11:08:38 AM
Sorry for being a bit late to the party on this project (slapslapslapslapslap...), but it is an interesting one in an interesting corridor.
Add me to the list of those who are not fully enamored with this highway's side-road 'interchanges', as well as its Lafayette end. OTOH, it does get the major part of the roadway BUILT and functioning and as time passes, the needs arise and funding becomes available, further improvements can be made (sort of like how WisDOT has been doing their major non-interstate corridors since before WWII).
One question relating to the entire corridor, what is the current line of thinking for tying the east end of this corridor into I-69 in the Huntington to Fort Wayne area? Could we be seeing a new-ROW connection running about due eastward from US 24 on Huntington's north side to I-69 at about that curve (it's by those two '10's on the RMcN road atlas map of Indiana)?
Mike
That's an interesting idea. Does anyone know why INDOT just put 1 interchange (at sr9) in that area? Why not make the entire bypass with interchanges?
I am glad many the single-quadrant interchanges/intersections I added in the concept phase survived to be incorporated into what was built in the field. They were put in primarily due to proximity to the railroad, it was the only way to intersect SR 25 with some of these cross roads.
As far as the roundabout is concerned, I think that is a great place to put one. It serves as a transition from the high-speed expressway to an already developed corridor with driveways, traffic signals, etc. The design of the roundabout itself will tend to slow traffic traveling through it, without resorting to a traffic light. The alternative would had been a traffic signal with a probable high number of rear-end collisions in the southbound direction on SR 25.
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That's an interesting idea. Does anyone know why INDOT just put 1 interchange (at sr9) in that area? Why not make the entire bypass with interchanges?
I've wondered that myself. Having family in Huntington I've been up that way many times and if you look at it from aerial photography you can see that at the SR 5/US 224 intersection with US 24 land is cleared out for a diamond interchange. I presume one was planned but just never built. But if the need ever came for one there getting the land would be a breeze.
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 19, 2013, 07:38:04 PM
Does anyone know why INDOT just put 1 interchange (at sr9) in that area? Why not make the entire bypass with interchanges?
Well, US 24 at Old US 24 is also an interchange. If you look at Google Maps satellite view, you see that at SR 5/US 224, they plan(ned) an interchange.
The biggest mystery to me about US 24 in Huntington is why the put traffic lights so close to the SR 9 interchange. A couple of overpasses would make that area a lot faster and safer.
Quote from: mukade on May 19, 2013, 09:20:56 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 19, 2013, 07:38:04 PM
Does anyone know why INDOT just put 1 interchange (at sr9) in that area? Why not make the entire bypass with interchanges?
The biggest mystery to me about US 24 in Huntington is why the put traffic lights so close to the SR 9 interchange. A couple of overpasses would make that area a lot faster and safer.
The traffic light east of SR 9 always seems to turn red against a platoon of traffic on 24; now they have added (in the past year or so, iIrc) a light just west at the hospital too. I too have wondered why they bothered to build an interchange with SR 9 at all. :P
As far as Lafayette Center Road, whether it's posted as 24 or not, people in the know already go that way anyway, including truck traffic. The road could use an upgrade, but being county roads, it may be tougher than if INDOT owned the road. Interesting though that eastbound they have signs blazing the trail to the FWA airport to turn right on CR 900 N/Lafayette Center Rd....off of US 24 and then right back onto US 24 a couple miles later!
About something for a different thread, I noticed a couple weeks ago that the outermost advance sign on Lafayette Center EB for the 69 interchange was redone; the INTERSTATE text in the 69 and 469 shields differs in width between the two. Don't recall seeing that in Indiana much before; it always seemed to be more of an Ohio thing. :P
That entire corridor has a lot of oddities in my opinion, like why does US 24 jog left (just outside of Logansport) when it splits from US 35? shouldn't it be the other way around? Also, what will become of the current US24/35 south of logansport when the new 25 is finished, will it be removed, will it be a new state route, or will it be nameless?
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 19, 2013, 11:02:47 PM
That entire corridor has a lot of oddities in my opinion, like why does US 24 jog left (just outside of Logansport) when it splits from US 35? shouldn't it be the other way around? Also, what will become of the current US24/35 south of logansport when the new 25 is finished, will it be removed, will it be a new state route, or will it be nameless?
Because the US 35 bypass existed for years and the re-routing of US 24 happened in 2001. US 24 used to go through downtown Logansport. The same situation holds true in Huntington where US 24 joins SR 9. Perhaps if US 24 becomes a more major corridor, they can change those two intersections, but for now, they are only minor inconveniences.
On the west side of Logansport, US 24 will exit itself when the new interchange is completed. Personally, I'd rather see US 24 follow the Hoosier Heartland all the way to Lafayette even if it makes US 24 a longer route across the state. To me, the corridor needs a single number - and I am really not in favor of the Illinois 110 or Iowa 27 strategies.
As for removal of current US 35/US 24, I think the eastbound lanes will be removed and what is left will not be a state road.
Quote from: mukade on May 20, 2013, 07:16:56 AM
On the west side of Logansport, US 24 will exit itself when the new interchange is completed. Personally, I'd rather see US 24 follow the Hoosier Heartland all the way to Lafayette even if it makes US 24 a longer route across the state. To me, the corridor needs a single number - and I am really not in favor of the Illinois 110 or Iowa 27 strategies.
What happens then if the Hoosier Heartland ever gets extended beyond Lafayette to I-74?
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 20, 2013, 08:15:19 PM
Quote from: mukade on May 20, 2013, 07:16:56 AM
On the west side of Logansport, US 24 will exit itself when the new interchange is completed. Personally, I'd rather see US 24 follow the Hoosier Heartland all the way to Lafayette even if it makes US 24 a longer route across the state. To me, the corridor needs a single number - and I am really not in favor of the Illinois 110 or Iowa 27 strategies.
What happens then if the Hoosier Heartland ever gets extended beyond Lafayette to I-74?
That is a huge if that borders on the fictional. Thus, I can say I-72.
This is slightly off topic, but I've seen these all over Indiana highways, has anyone seen the blue square sign that says "historical marker 1 mile" what is the significance of these signs? (other than the fact that they are mile markers)
It just informs you that there is a historic marker (something denoting something of historic significance in that area) in one mile next to the highway in case you feel the urge to pull over and read said marker.
^^
Wisconsin does that, too.
Mike
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 23, 2013, 07:06:37 PM
It just informs you that there is a historic marker (something denoting something of historic significance in that area) in one mile next to the highway in case you feel the urge to pull over and read said marker.
Thanks that makes sense I never knew that
Quote from: mgk920 on May 24, 2013, 01:13:34 PM
^^
Wisconsin does that, too.
Mike
As does every province in Western Canada.
Quote from: PurdueBill on April 29, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
On Saturday there were no mentions of "Business 25" anywhere--just "Old 25" at both the roundabout at the southern end of the new road and at the intersection with the new roadway that ties in the old road to Delphi with the new.
You can blame me for the Business SR 25 listing on Google Maps. While it is currently being referred to as "Old 25" (from the previous rerouting), Delphi is hoping to get it designated as "Business 25" after the full road is complete, as they already have roads named Old 25, and they can't figure out what else to call them or the old 25 route once the State Road designation is removed. When I was back in Delphi in December, I was hearing from some people that there was even a discussion about a 421/39/18 bypass of the city, at least to the route coming from Pitsburg/West Delphi, to remove even more truck traffic from the tight city streets.
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Quote from: PurdueBill on April 29, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
On Saturday there were no mentions of "Business 25" anywhere--just "Old 25" at both the roundabout at the southern end of the new road and at the intersection with the new roadway that ties in the old road to Delphi with the new.
You can blame me for the Business SR 25 listing on Google Maps. While it is currently being referred to as "Old 25" (from the previous rerouting), Delphi is hoping to get it designated as "Business 25" after the full road is complete, as they already have roads named Old 25, and they can't figure out what else to call them or the old 25 route once the State Road designation is removed. When I was back in Delphi in December, I was hearing from some people that there was even a discussion about a 421/39/18 bypass of the city, at least to the route coming from Pitsburg/West Delphi, to remove even more truck traffic from the tight city streets.
I don't see a 421/39/18 bypass for a while
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Quote from: TEG24601 on July 13, 2013, 05:29:09 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on April 29, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
On Saturday there were no mentions of "Business 25" anywhere--just "Old 25" at both the roundabout at the southern end of the new road and at the intersection with the new roadway that ties in the old road to Delphi with the new.
You can blame me for the Business SR 25 listing on Google Maps. While it is currently being referred to as "Old 25" (from the previous rerouting), Delphi is hoping to get it designated as "Business 25" after the full road is complete, as they already have roads named Old 25, and they can't figure out what else to call them or the old 25 route once the State Road designation is removed. When I was back in Delphi in December, I was hearing from some people that there was even a discussion about a 421/39/18 bypass of the city, at least to the route coming from Pitsburg/West Delphi, to remove even more truck traffic from the tight city streets.
I don't see a 421/39/18 bypass for a while
Nor can I, but people are talking about it, much like they were about the SR-25 expressway in 1999.
Quote from: TEG24601 on July 16, 2013, 12:58:22 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 13, 2013, 10:18:26 PM
Quote from: TEG24601 on July 13, 2013, 05:29:09 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on April 29, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
On Saturday there were no mentions of "Business 25" anywhere--just "Old 25" at both the roundabout at the southern end of the new road and at the intersection with the new roadway that ties in the old road to Delphi with the new.
You can blame me for the Business SR 25 listing on Google Maps. While it is currently being referred to as "Old 25" (from the previous rerouting), Delphi is hoping to get it designated as "Business 25" after the full road is complete, as they already have roads named Old 25, and they can't figure out what else to call them or the old 25 route once the State Road designation is removed. When I was back in Delphi in December, I was hearing from some people that there was even a discussion about a 421/39/18 bypass of the city, at least to the route coming from Pitsburg/West Delphi, to remove even more truck traffic from the tight city streets.
I don't see a 421/39/18 bypass for a while
Nor can I, but people are talking about it, much like they were about the SR-25 expressway in 1999.
The big thing holding any new road construction is money, there simply isn't enough money to go around, I think SR 37 in Noblesville/Fishers area would get the money first, among many other projects that are more pressing.
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Quote from: TEG24601 on July 16, 2013, 12:58:22 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 13, 2013, 10:18:26 PM
Quote from: TEG24601 on July 13, 2013, 05:29:09 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on April 29, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
On Saturday there were no mentions of "Business 25" anywhere--just "Old 25" at both the roundabout at the southern end of the new road and at the intersection with the new roadway that ties in the old road to Delphi with the new.
You can blame me for the Business SR 25 listing on Google Maps. While it is currently being referred to as "Old 25" (from the previous rerouting), Delphi is hoping to get it designated as "Business 25" after the full road is complete, as they already have roads named Old 25, and they can't figure out what else to call them or the old 25 route once the State Road designation is removed. When I was back in Delphi in December, I was hearing from some people that there was even a discussion about a 421/39/18 bypass of the city, at least to the route coming from Pitsburg/West Delphi, to remove even more truck traffic from the tight city streets.
I don't see a 421/39/18 bypass for a while
Nor can I, but people are talking about it, much like they were about the SR-25 expressway in 1999.
The big thing holding any new road construction is money, there simply isn't enough money to go around, I think SR 37 in Noblesville/Fishers area would get the money first, among many other projects that are more pressing.
Agreed.
There are still a number of different projects from different contracts underway from Delphi to Logansport. Some areas show fast and impressive progress. The best progress can be seen around Logansport where most of the new highway is paved and the new interchange at US 24/US 35/ SR 29/SR 25 is looking good. You can see where they are tying the westbound lanes with the eastbound lanes at the very west end. When this is done (and the new road is opened), they can permanently remove the current eastbound lanes of the current bypass.
Around the east side of Delphi, a lot of heavy earth-moving and bridge work had to be done, and it has taken shape a lot in the last month.
Around Burrows, asphalt pavement is being laid in the new eastbound lanes. In other areas, concrete pavement is being poured. All in all, pretty good progress, but certain areas look to be a lot further behind. It will be interesting to see if they can pull what they did with I-69 last year and accomplish a lot in a short period of time.
I'm actually going back to the area again in early September, at which point I hope to be able to take some photographs, and gather enough information to finalize the Google Maps updates, and maybe look at the new bypass in Lafayette/West Lafayette.
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A more than $330 million highway project connecting several communities within the north central part of the state is nearing completion. The final Logansport to Delphi section of the Hoosier Heartland Corridor is set to open in phases beginning next month. The road will connect I-65 in Tippecanoe County to the Fort-to-Port corridor in Cass County, providing a continuous four-lane route between Lafayette and Toledo.
Full article: 'Hoosier Heartland' Finish Line in Sight (http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=60967) (Inside Indiana Business)
Quote from: mukade on August 21, 2013, 09:08:36 PM
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A more than $330 million highway project connecting several communities within the north central part of the state is nearing completion. The final Logansport to Delphi section of the Hoosier Heartland Corridor is set to open in phases beginning next month. The road will connect I-65 in Tippecanoe County to the Fort-to-Port corridor in Cass County, providing a continuous four-lane route between Lafayette and Toledo.
Full article: 'Hoosier Heartland' Finish Line in Sight (http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=60967) (Inside Indiana Business)
That press release said new sections would be opening beginning this week. Is this still the case?
A section near Rockfield was striped and ready to open over the weekend (shown below). Whether or not, they open it in sections will be interesting. Of course once they open the northbound lanes in most areas (other than the new terrain areas), the southbound lanes will have to be resurfaced with the final asphalt layer.
Virtually all of the mainline looks to have pavement. It seems to be roughly 40% PCCP and 60% HMA on the new part. The main unpaved areas excluding shoulder work were the new US 24/US 35 routing at SR 25 and the new SR 218 routing where it meets SR 25.
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I was surprised a couple weeks ago to see the oddball sign on 25 NB before the roundabout has been moved from posts to gantry....it looked like a one-off temporary sign, but maybe it's permanent?
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The placement of Delphi on the sign has problems...unusually strange for INDOT or its contractors. Maybe it will still be replaced.
I drove 25 from Logansport to Lafayette Saturday, and at Delphi, the signage routed me out of town on old 25 for several miles before routing me onto the new road, instead of routing me out 421/39/18 to where the new section currently begins. Anybody know why?
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 22, 2013, 11:29:48 AM
I drove 25 from Logansport to Lafayette Saturday, and at Delphi, the signage routed me out of town on old 25 for several miles before routing me onto the new road, instead of routing me out 421/39/18 to where the new section currently begins. Anybody know why?
It's been that way ever since the new route opened. Trucks northbound are actually instructed to use "old" 25 NB by turning left there instead of using 421; I think there is at least one underpass that they may be avoiding for truck traffic. Easier to send everyone the same way at the downtown intersection vs. adding more signs to the salad that's already there.
Even though I know that I could turn left there and get on new 25 where it picks up, I choose during my frequent trips through there to stay on the old route until it intersects the new. Unless there is a train, it seems faster anyway.
I was just in Carroll County the weekend of the 16th, and was surprised that the bypass from Main St. to 421/39/18 wasn't open yet. It was nearly complete when I was there in December, and you would think 8 months on it would be further along. I was also surprised that while I was there they had just opened a few of the bypasses around Rockfield. I wanted to check out the whole progress, but the purpose of my visit was mainly to the West, otherwise, I likely would have made a full trip from end-to-end.
Paving on that section began in August of this year. At the end of 2012, they were moving earth - as a matter of fact, a construction worker was killed in a landslide there.
Quote from: PurdueBill on September 22, 2013, 01:42:06 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 22, 2013, 11:29:48 AM
I drove 25 from Logansport to Lafayette Saturday, and at Delphi, the signage routed me out of town on old 25 for several miles before routing me onto the new road, instead of routing me out 421/39/18 to where the new section currently begins. Anybody know why?
It's been that way ever since the new route opened. Trucks northbound are actually instructed to use "old" 25 NB by turning left there instead of using 421; I think there is at least one underpass that they may be avoiding for truck traffic. Easier to send everyone the same way at the downtown intersection vs. adding more signs to the salad that's already there.
Even though I know that I could turn left there and get on new 25 where it picks up, I choose during my frequent trips through there to stay on the old route until it intersects the new. Unless there is a train, it seems faster anyway.
There is a school complex just north of the interchange with US 421. The intent is to route trucks around that area to avoid the traffic from buses, teachers, parents, and school pedestrians crossing US 421.
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The final stretch of the Hoosier Heartland Corridor is slated to open Friday, state officials announced today.
During the past month, portions of Indiana 25 between Logansport and Delphi have opened in phases, most notably the sections around Rockfield and Burrows. On Friday, all sections will be open to traffic...
Full article: Last stretch of Hoosier Heartland Corridor will open Friday (http://www.jconline.com/article/20131016/NEWS/310160017/Last-stretch-Hoosier-Heartland-Corridor-will-open-Friday) (jconline.com)
I drove down the new SR 25 today, and it is generally open except:
1) tie-in at US 24/US 35 in Logansport
2) tie-in at Clymers
3) several miles of southbound lanes need striping so barricades block one lane for several miles from west of Clymers to west of Rockfield
4) bridge over SR 25 near Burrows is far from completion with beams not set in place
5) Northbound SR 29/Northbound US 35/westbound US 24 lanes still UC
6) At least four other connectors to/from sections of old SR 25 remain to be completed
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SR 25 on the east side of Delphi
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SR 25 between Delphi and Rockfield where temporary striping in westbound lanes is being removed
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SR 25 at the Logansport exit (westbound-top and eastbound bottom)
So are they removing the small piece of the road us 24/35 used to use before this opened?
The Monticello Road exit is closed off. The plans I saw showed the eastbound lanes to be removed.
what is the official routing of 25 through logansport?
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 24, 2013, 11:10:25 AM
what is the official routing of 25 through logansport?
This is how it was explained to me:
SR 25 exits the new US24/35 freeway at Burlington Avenue (former SR 29). Follows Burlington north into downtown, where it becomes 3rd street. Between 3rd and 6th streets, it runs west (northbound) on Market and east (southbound) on Broadway. It follows 6th street north out of downtown and then north out of town on Michigan Ave.
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 24, 2013, 02:06:58 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 24, 2013, 11:10:25 AM
what is the official routing of 25 through logansport?
This is how it was explained to me:
SR 25 exits the new US24/35 freeway at Burlington Avenue (former SR 29). Follows Burlington north into downtown, where it becomes 3rd street. Between 3rd and 6th streets, it runs west (northbound) on Market and east (southbound) on Broadway. It follows 6th street north out of downtown and then north out of town on Michigan Ave.
So does sr 29 still end where it used to?
SR 29 ends at the interchange I believe, where the road to the north becomes US 24 & 35. I am curious to see how this highway goes as I plan on doing a big one-day trip across northern Indiana hopefully this Sunday for AARoads. I hope to finish the SR 25 corridor from Logansport to Lafayette, plus the US 231 bypass in West Lafayette, along with a few of the newer projects in the far northern part of the state (new SR 49 interchange in Valpo, new SR 331 in Mishawaka and I-69 interchange north of Fort Wayne.)
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 24, 2013, 06:29:15 PM
SR 29 ends at the interchange I believe, where the road to the north becomes US 24 & 35. I am curious to see how this highway goes as I plan on doing a big one-day trip across northern Indiana hopefully this Sunday for AARoads. I hope to finish the SR 25 corridor from Logansport to Lafayette, plus the US 231 bypass in West Lafayette, along with a few of the newer projects in the far northern part of the state (new SR 49 interchange in Valpo, new SR 331 in Mishawaka and I-69 interchange north of Fort Wayne.)
231 is very nice. Is the small piece of burlington ave in between sr 29 and the new exit a state road too? The way I look at it, it isn't.
From the Logansport Pharos-Tribune:
"In 1982, the state first began exploring the feasibility of replacing the old, two-lane Ind. 25 with a four-lane, limited access highway that would connect Ind. 69 in Fort Wayne to U.S. 65 in Lafayette. After funding was secured and various segments of the highway opened over the decades, the final stretch of the project from Delphi to Logansport was opened Friday."
Either this highway runs from New Harmony to Springfield, MO, or the highways are wrong.
Also not "limited access" in the strictest sense. Newspaper journalism is in a sorry state these days.
Quote from: theline on October 25, 2013, 08:48:38 PM
Also not "limited access" in the strictest sense. Newspaper journalism is in a sorry state these days.
Although access is not fully controlled, it most certainly is a limited access highway.
The strictest sense of limited access is not the only valid sense. Access to adjacent properties is indeed limited.
Quote from: mukade on October 25, 2013, 09:36:16 PM
Quote from: theline on October 25, 2013, 08:48:38 PM
Also not "limited access" in the strictest sense. Newspaper journalism is in a sorry state these days.
Although access is not fully controlled, it most certainly is a limited access highway.
What's the difference between "controlled" and "limited" access? Wikipedia makes it sound like limited is an expressway and controlled is a freeway, but Steve has explained before (not on here) how a highway can be one or the other or both.
I think "limited access" and "controlled access" are synonymous. Either one can be "partially" (usually meaning expressways) or "fully" (usually meaning freeways). But I could be wrong, or there might not be just one right set of definitions.
I drove SR 29 north to Logansport on Tuesday. SR 29 is still signed to follow the Logansport Bypass. SR 25 signs are up, however, along Burlington Rd. north of the new overpass all the way into downtown Logansport. It appears that only a very short segment of Burlington Rd. between where 29 leaves and 25 picks up, maybe 600 yards' worth, is not signed as state highway. Weird.
Quote from: mobilene on October 26, 2013, 01:16:35 AM
I drove SR 29 north to Logansport on Tuesday. SR 29 is still signed to follow the Logansport Bypass. SR 25 signs are up, however, along Burlington Rd. north of the new overpass all the way into downtown Logansport. It appears that only a very short segment of Burlington Rd. between where 29 leaves and 25 picks up, maybe 600 yards' worth, is not signed as state highway. Weird.
It is a little weird, but it has been that way since SR 329 was decommissioned. SR 29 is now about .25 miles shorter than it was due to the rerouting of the Logansport south bypass. The south end of the north section of SR 237 is like that as well. SR 66 cuts off to the east and a few hundred feet up the same road, SR 237 picks up.
Quote from: vtk on October 26, 2013, 12:32:51 AM
I think "limited access" and "controlled access" are synonymous. Either one can be "partially" (usually meaning expressways) or "fully" (usually meaning freeways). But I could be wrong, or there might not be just one right set of definitions.
I agree with that definition, but INDOT (and its predecessors) have always put up signs along the right of way of divided highways like US 30 calling them "Limited Access Highways". US 30 is neither a freeway or expressway, but SR 25 is an expressway by any definition. It probably has more overpasses that at-grade intersections, has no traffic lights, and has two full interchanges.
Quote from: mukade on October 26, 2013, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: mobilene on October 26, 2013, 01:16:35 AM
I drove SR 29 north to Logansport on Tuesday. SR 29 is still signed to follow the Logansport Bypass. SR 25 signs are up, however, along Burlington Rd. north of the new overpass all the way into downtown Logansport. It appears that only a very short segment of Burlington Rd. between where 29 leaves and 25 picks up, maybe 600 yards' worth, is not signed as state highway. Weird.
It is a little weird, but it has been that way since SR 329 was decommissioned. SR 29 is now about .25 miles shorter than it was due to the rerouting of the Logansport south bypass. The south end of the north section of SR 237 is like that as well. SR 66 cuts off to the east and a few hundred feet up the same road, SR 237 picks up.
Right, except that once SR 329 was axed, the entire stretch of Burlington from the new routing of SR 29 all the way into downtown was not a signed highway. Now that SR 25 has been rerouted, it's weird that only a very short stretch is unsigned.
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2013, 12:54:56 PM
Right, except that once SR 329 was axed, the entire stretch of Burlington from the new routing of SR 29 all the way into downtown was not a signed highway. Now that SR 25 has been rerouted, it's weird that only a very short stretch is unsigned.
It makes more sense to connect to the Logansport West bypass (a divided highway carrying US 24/US 35) using INDOT's philosophy of intercity roads over local roads. From a historic perspective as well, US 35 took over the northern part of SR 29. So if you assume INDOT would take one or the other, SR 29 follows the better route.
Quote from: mukade on October 27, 2013, 02:25:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2013, 12:54:56 PM
Right, except that once SR 329 was axed, the entire stretch of Burlington from the new routing of SR 29 all the way into downtown was not a signed highway. Now that SR 25 has been rerouted, it's weird that only a very short stretch is unsigned.
It makes more sense to connect to the Logansport West bypass (a divided highway carrying US 24/US 35) using INDOT's philosophy of intercity roads over local roads. From a historic perspective as well, US 35 took over the northern part of SR 29. So if you assume INDOT would take one or the other, SR 29 follows the better route.
I was thinking about reviving a very small section of 329.
In INDOT's case, limited access is the term for how the property is purchased. The R/W is purchased so that very specific breaks for access are prescribed, generally at intersections but also pre-determined driveways are allowable. I worked on a very rural southern indiana project that was purchased as limited access, but driveways were provided at some locations. The property owner just needs approval to make the access bigger (as in, for commercial development). Usually, that approval is very difficult to obtain.
On a trip down SR 25 over the weekend, all but one of the intersecting roads has been paved and striped now. There were at least six ones that were not complete when the highway opened. The two crossover areas around Logansport are being removed, but around both, it is still one lane. The widened US 24/US 35 north from the Hoosier Heartland is also not open or complete.
The most interesting area is the eastern gateway to Delphi. It looks like that will have either a signal light or flashers. Immediately to the north of that intersection, it looks like a bridge carrying a trail will be put in. Old SR 25 in that area is also under construction so it will be interesting to see this area when all is completed in the spring.
The Monticello Road exit from the Logansport south bypass (westbound US 24/US 35) is open. The eastbound carriageway from Humphrey St. to the bypass has been removed, but it looks like the rest of the old highway will stay. Google maps actually shows it correctly.
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Looking east at Humphrey St. in Logansport. In the distance is the bypass
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Looking west from the Logansport southern bypass
Both directions of the western bypass extension (carrying US 24 and US 35) are also open with minor work left to do. SR 25 had no lane restrictions at all for the first time.
Holy crap signs next to grass. Got a closeup?
Here's a pic of something similar in Kentucky from a few years ago.
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Quote from: NE2 on December 08, 2013, 03:52:24 PM
Holy crap signs next to grass. Got a closeup?
No closeup but this shows them a little better.
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I suppose that is what happens when you have to rush to get the work done before winter.
I remember seeing something like that at the intersection with US 231 and SR 45/58 when they realigned US 231 for the new I-69 interchange. You could still see the signs leading up to the former intersection with US 231 traffic had to come to a stop with SR 45/58 at the gas station there. I thought I still saw those signs when I-69 opened but I'm pretty sure they are now gone.
On the SR 25 eastern "gateway" to Delphi (i.e. intersection with Main Street), there is a truss bridge that looks like it is ready to be lifted to cross SR 25. Presumably, this will carry the Monon High Bridge Trail.
Finishing touches continue on the newest sections of SR 25 that opened last October where erosion on the right of way is pretty evident.
Quote from: mobilene on October 26, 2013, 01:16:35 AM
I drove SR 29 north to Logansport on Tuesday. SR 29 is still signed to follow the Logansport Bypass. SR 25 signs are up, however, along Burlington Rd. north of the new overpass all the way into downtown Logansport. It appears that only a very short segment of Burlington Rd. between where 29 leaves and 25 picks up, maybe 600 yards' worth, is not signed as state highway. Weird.
Is there a sign on SR 29 that says TO NORTH SR 25 that would direct you onto that short segment? :confused:
Is the old segment of the bypass still in use or is it gone?
Below is a photo of the new bridge that will cross SR 25 on the east side of Delphi.
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There is a very old bridge on the east side of Delphi that looks like that. I think it was called "Wilson Bridge". It affected where the SR 25 alignment was placed. It was a historic resourse that had to be avoided. The truss overpass must be in commemeration of that historic bridge. I even had a Wilson Bridge tee shirt before I wore it out.
The picture below was taken right next to where the bridge pictured above is. The road in the background is old SR 25 and the one in the foreground is the extension of Main Street to meet the Hoosier Heartland.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@40.590492,-86.621575,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m5!1e2!3m3!1s33996520!2e1!3e10
The SR 25 Corridor was originally layed out to be located closer to the Wilson bridge than it ended up being. The corridor eventually was moved further west so as to be farther away from that bridge. While working on that project, I had bought a "Wilson Bridge" tee shirt from the local organization that was trying to perserve that bridge. Although being from Indiana, I have lived in the Atlanta area since graduate school. A couple of years after I worked on that project, I was in a grocery store near home, and some guy was wearing a "Wilson Bridge - Delphi, IN" sweatshirt just like my tee shirt. Those shirts apparently got around.
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 02, 2014, 07:17:42 PM
Is the old segment of the bypass still in use or is it gone?
Do you mean the Logansport bypass?
If you do, then yes, its still in use.
Except now, there is only a slip ramp from West 24 to the old segment, and you can't turn right from North 35 to the old segment.
Whats the name of the road now?
SAMSUNG-SGH-I337
Monticello Road
Here is a view of the Freedom bridge looking north from Main Street:
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Freedom Bridge to reconnect Delphi trail (http://www.carrollcountycomet.com/news/2012-01-04/Local_News/Freedom_Bridge_to_reconnect_Delphi_trail.html)
Quote from: mukade on December 08, 2013, 05:11:58 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 08, 2013, 03:52:24 PM
Holy crap signs next to grass. Got a closeup?
No closeup but this shows them a little better.
I suppose that is what happens when you have to rush to get the work done before winter.
The signs next to grass are still there even now...wonder if they will ever be removed.
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I just looked on INDOTs SR map, and it is listing the tiny piece of road in between SR 29 and 25 as SR 329, is this actually signed?
That's awesome! Good job INDOT! :clap:
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 04, 2014, 09:16:22 PM
I just looked on INDOTs SR map, and it is listing the tiny piece of road in between SR 29 and 25 as SR 329, is this actually signed?
Wasn't when I drove through last a month or two ago. Doubt it will be.
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 04, 2014, 09:16:22 PM
I just looked on INDOTs SR map, and it is listing the tiny piece of road in between SR 29 and 25 as SR 329, is this actually signed?
I do not see that marked that way in the 2015 official map. Previously, SR 329 connected SR 29 to SR 25 in the center of Logansport. Most of that route is now SR 25. SR 435 connected US 35 (the southern bypass) to SR 329. Both 329 and 435 are long gone AFAIK.
Quote from: mukade on November 06, 2014, 07:00:45 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 04, 2014, 09:16:22 PM
I just looked on INDOTs SR map, and it is listing the tiny piece of road in between SR 29 and 25 as SR 329, is this actually signed?
I do not see that marked that way in the 2015 official map. Previously, SR 329 connected SR 29 to SR 25 in the center of Logansport. Most of that route is now SR 25. SR 435 connected US 35 (the southern bypass) to SR 329. Both 329 and 435 are long gone AFAIK.
must be a number for internal purposes, i found it here: https://gis.in.gov/apps/DOT/RoadwayInventory/
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 06, 2014, 07:10:59 AM
Quote from: mukade on November 06, 2014, 07:00:45 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 04, 2014, 09:16:22 PM
I just looked on INDOTs SR map, and it is listing the tiny piece of road in between SR 29 and 25 as SR 329, is this actually signed?
I do not see that marked that way in the 2015 official map. Previously, SR 329 connected SR 29 to SR 25 in the center of Logansport. Most of that route is now SR 25. SR 435 connected US 35 (the southern bypass) to SR 329. Both 329 and 435 are long gone AFAIK.
must be a number for internal purposes, i found it here: https://gis.in.gov/apps/DOT/RoadwayInventory/
SR 431 is also shown between I-465 and 96th Street in Indy.
On one hand, it does seem to be up-to-date in that SR 22 has been cut way back, but on another, US 31 freeway near South Bend is not shown as complete.
Actually that tiny piece is sr 431 indot still owns keystone from 96th to 465.
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 06, 2014, 08:21:51 PM
Actually that tiny piece is sr 431 indot still owns keystone from 96th to 465.
What is the point of INDOT maintaining a couple hundred feet of road?
They probably wanted to not do that but Indianapolis probably refused to take ownership of the road
This also explains why the 96th st interchange never happened
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 07, 2014, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 06, 2014, 08:21:51 PM
Actually that tiny piece is sr 431 indot still owns keystone from 96th to 465.
What is the point of INDOT maintaining a couple hundred feet of road?
It happens in many places in many states at interchanges. Usually no number is assigned unless it already had one.
Another oddity is that sr 267 ends about 100 yards north of i-74 but it is still signed as ending at the interchange. I'm sure the state can't wait to rid themselves of the whole road north of 74
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 07, 2014, 10:38:00 AM
Another oddity is that sr 267 ends about 100 yards north of i-74 but it is still signed as ending at the interchange. I'm sure the state can't wait to rid themselves of the whole road north of 74
What's odd about signs being more logical than maintenance?
The odd thing is the maintenance ending where it does. The signs make sense.
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 07, 2014, 10:49:16 AM
The odd thing is the maintenance ending where it does. The signs make sense.
700 North appears to be the Brownsburg town limit (to the north, Brownsburg has the larger subdivisions but not the parcels just west of SR 267, at least as of 2012 (http://www.brownsburg.org/egov/documents/1343824220_856628.pdf)).
O ok now it makes sense the agreement must have been within the city limits
Bringing back an old topic for an update. I drove down the Hoosier Heartland for the first time in quite a while to check out a few things now that it has been open a few years.
I had read that there have been a number serious (including fatal) accidents at the split diamond in Logansport as motorists assumed that once they entered a ramp that they would not have to stop again. To resolve the issue, INDOT installed lighting, flashers, rumble strips and a small island with reflectors right at the intersection with US 24/US 35 (and presumably at SR 25 as well, but I did not check that). So now it is very clear that you must stop if you get on eastbound at SR 29/US 24/US 35 or get on eastbound from SR 25.
I wanted to see if the single quadrant interchange at Carroll County CR 50W was done, and it is. The pavement looked new - this overpass and interchange was started way back in 2013 so I don't know why it took so long to finish.
I had read that some of the asphalt pavement from one contractor (Brooks 1st from Fort Wayne) was failing, and that INDOT had filed suit against them. I don't know how it was resolved legally, but i did not notice any bad pavement surface anywhere on the highway.
Finally, I had read that Delphi is opening a park right at the Freedom Bridge over the highway so I wanted to check that out. It is just a small park, but I guess access to it is only from a trail from city. I saw no place to park and get up there from near the highway.
Other observations: other than a CountryMark station somewhat off the highway, there are no services from Peru all the way to Lafayette. I would have hoped to see a convenience store or two in Logansport or Delphi. Because I took a Sunday morning drive, traffic was very light. I don't know how much traffic uses it during "peak" hours. I drove back on SR 26 a few miles south, and there was at least as much traffic on that highway even though that is a dangerous narrow and hilly road.
Quote from: mukade on June 19, 2016, 01:18:39 PM
Bringing back an old topic for an update. I drove down the Hoosier Heartland for the first time in quite a while to check out a few things now that it has been open a few years.
I had read that there have been a number serious (including fatal) accidents at the split diamond in Logansport as motorists assumed that once they entered a ramp that they would not have to stop again. To resolve the issue, INDOT installed lighting, flashers, rumble strips and a small island with reflectors right at the intersection with US 24/US 35 (and presumably at SR 25 as well, but I did not check that). So now it is very clear that you must stop if you get on eastbound at SR 29/US 24/US 35 or get on eastbound from SR 25.
I wanted to see if the single quadrant interchange at Carroll County CR 50W was done, and it is. The pavement looked new - this overpass and interchange was started way back in 2013 so I don't know why it took so long to finish.
I had read that some of the asphalt pavement from one contractor (Brooks 1st from Fort Wayne) was failing, and that INDOT had filed suit against them. I don't know how it was resolved legally, but i did not notice any bad pavement surface anywhere on the highway.
Finally, I had read that Delphi is opening a park right at the Freedom Bridge over the highway so I wanted to check that out. It is just a small park, but I guess access to it is only from a trail from city. I saw no place to park and get up there from near the highway.
Other observations: other than a CountryMark station somewhat off the highway, there are no services from Peru all the way to Lafayette. I would have hoped to see a convenience store or two in Logansport or Delphi. Because I took a Sunday morning drive, traffic was very light. I don't know how much traffic uses it during "peak" hours. I drove back on SR 26 a few miles south, and there was at least as much traffic on that highway even though that is a dangerous narrow and hilly road.
This exit is so new, it only appears in satellite view on google. Not sure if the asphalt issues have been resolved yet.
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 19, 2016, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: mukade on June 19, 2016, 01:18:39 PM
Bringing back an old topic for an update. I drove down the Hoosier Heartland for the first time in quite a while to check out a few things now that it has been open a few years.
I had read that there have been a number serious (including fatal) accidents at the split diamond in Logansport as motorists assumed that once they entered a ramp that they would not have to stop again. To resolve the issue, INDOT installed lighting, flashers, rumble strips and a small island with reflectors right at the intersection with US 24/US 35 (and presumably at SR 25 as well, but I did not check that). So now it is very clear that you must stop if you get on eastbound at SR 29/US 24/US 35 or get on eastbound from SR 25.
I wanted to see if the single quadrant interchange at Carroll County CR 50W was done, and it is. The pavement looked new - this overpass and interchange was started way back in 2013 so I don't know why it took so long to finish.
I had read that some of the asphalt pavement from one contractor (Brooks 1st from Fort Wayne) was failing, and that INDOT had filed suit against them. I don't know how it was resolved legally, but i did not notice any bad pavement surface anywhere on the highway.
Finally, I had read that Delphi is opening a park right at the Freedom Bridge over the highway so I wanted to check that out. It is just a small park, but I guess access to it is only from a trail from city. I saw no place to park and get up there from near the highway.
Other observations: other than a CountryMark station somewhat off the highway, there are no services from Peru all the way to Lafayette. I would have hoped to see a convenience store or two in Logansport or Delphi. Because I took a Sunday morning drive, traffic was very light. I don't know how much traffic uses it during "peak" hours. I drove back on SR 26 a few miles south, and there was at least as much traffic on that highway even though that is a dangerous narrow and hilly road.
This exit is so new, it only appears in satellite view on google. Not sure if the asphalt issues have been resolved yet.
They could probably sell blue service sign advertising for Old 25 or 421/39/18 around Delphi; there is gas and food available on what used to be the old route of 25 but you blow by without even seeing it now. Maybe stuff will pop up at the 421 interchange over time. Traveling 25/24/469/30 toward Ohio and back, the gap in services is noticeable compared to what you see around Wabash, Huntington, or even Peru with the truck stop on 31 easily reached (and advertised). Once the 24 bypass of Logansport was completed to reach 35, you don't see any services there either now on 24 unless you follow Business 24, which you get to very soon after passing US 31 and Peru (I think the meeting of Logansport's Business 24 with regular 24 is closer to Peru than to Logansport itself!) and follow to downtown.
The split diamond has been the source of a lot of complaint (http://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/hoosier-heartland-highway-a-dangerous-road/article_489f6e34-dc07-11e5-83fb-5b66b3fa7578.html) after accidents that seem to be caused by people not paying attention....so you turned onto the ramp and assumed you could just speed up to 60+ without being totally aware of your surroundings or the road? That's INDOT's fault? What other design would be feasible? Braided ramps? A stack? I wonder how familiar with the area the professor quoted in the article is--24/35 has intersections on its dual carriageway in both directions from the interchange, and then 35 even turns back into a 2-lane undivided not far east of there.
The biggest problem with the initial design was definitely a lack of flashing lights or larger stop signs. A stop sign like you'd use at the end of a conventional diamond ramp wasn't enough in the first place, as shown by the accidents.
If the accidents continue and lawsuits continue to be filed against INDOT because drivers can't or won't pay attention to the road, instead basing their driving entirely on what they think is there instead of what really is there, then they ought to just close off the ramps between the two intersections and make all traffic use SR 29 and Burlington Ave. North on 25, exit, turn right, then left on Burlington passing under the new road. East on 24/35, pass under and through, left on Burlington, then right on the onramp. West on 24/35 could actually exit at Monticello Road (the old road) and use its old alignment; the BGS for that are all still in place. South on 25 from downtown passes under the new road, right on SR 29, left onto the ramp. No more using the frontage road style portions of the ramps and everyone can handle it!!
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 19, 2016, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 19, 2016, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: mukade on June 19, 2016, 01:18:39 PM
Bringing back an old topic for an update. I drove down the Hoosier Heartland for the first time in quite a while to check out a few things now that it has been open a few years.
I had read that there have been a number serious (including fatal) accidents at the split diamond in Logansport as motorists assumed that once they entered a ramp that they would not have to stop again. To resolve the issue, INDOT installed lighting, flashers, rumble strips and a small island with reflectors right at the intersection with US 24/US 35 (and presumably at SR 25 as well, but I did not check that). So now it is very clear that you must stop if you get on eastbound at SR 29/US 24/US 35 or get on eastbound from SR 25.
I wanted to see if the single quadrant interchange at Carroll County CR 50W was done, and it is. The pavement looked new - this overpass and interchange was started way back in 2013 so I don't know why it took so long to finish.
I had read that some of the asphalt pavement from one contractor (Brooks 1st from Fort Wayne) was failing, and that INDOT had filed suit against them. I don't know how it was resolved legally, but i did not notice any bad pavement surface anywhere on the highway.
Finally, I had read that Delphi is opening a park right at the Freedom Bridge over the highway so I wanted to check that out. It is just a small park, but I guess access to it is only from a trail from city. I saw no place to park and get up there from near the highway.
Other observations: other than a CountryMark station somewhat off the highway, there are no services from Peru all the way to Lafayette. I would have hoped to see a convenience store or two in Logansport or Delphi. Because I took a Sunday morning drive, traffic was very light. I don't know how much traffic uses it during "peak" hours. I drove back on SR 26 a few miles south, and there was at least as much traffic on that highway even though that is a dangerous narrow and hilly road.
This exit is so new, it only appears in satellite view on google. Not sure if the asphalt issues have been resolved yet.
They could probably sell blue service sign advertising for Old 25 or 421/39/18 around Delphi; there is gas and food available on what used to be the old route of 25 but you blow by without even seeing it now. Maybe stuff will pop up at the 421 interchange over time. Traveling 25/24/469/30 toward Ohio and back, the gap in services is noticeable compared to what you see around Wabash, Huntington, or even Peru with the truck stop on 31 easily reached (and advertised). Once the 24 bypass of Logansport was completed to reach 35, you don't see any services there either now on 24 unless you follow Business 24, which you get to very soon after passing US 31 and Peru (I think the meeting of Logansport's Business 24 with regular 24 is closer to Peru than to Logansport itself!) and follow to downtown.
The split diamond has been the source of a lot of complaint (http://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/hoosier-heartland-highway-a-dangerous-road/article_489f6e34-dc07-11e5-83fb-5b66b3fa7578.html) after accidents that seem to be caused by people not paying attention....so you turned onto the ramp and assumed you could just speed up to 60+ without being totally aware of your surroundings or the road? That's INDOT's fault? What other design would be feasible? Braided ramps? A stack? I wonder how familiar with the area the professor quoted in the article is--24/35 has intersections on its dual carriageway in both directions from the interchange, and then 35 even turns back into a 2-lane undivided not far east of there.
The biggest problem with the initial design was definitely a lack of flashing lights or larger stop signs. A stop sign like you'd use at the end of a conventional diamond ramp wasn't enough in the first place, as shown by the accidents.
If the accidents continue and lawsuits continue to be filed against INDOT because drivers can't or won't pay attention to the road, instead basing their driving entirely on what they think is there instead of what really is there, then they ought to just close off the ramps between the two intersections and make all traffic use SR 29 and Burlington Ave. North on 25, exit, turn right, then left on Burlington passing under the new road. East on 24/35, pass under and through, left on Burlington, then right on the onramp. West on 24/35 could actually exit at Monticello Road (the old road) and use its old alignment; the BGS for that are all still in place. South on 25 from downtown passes under the new road, right on SR 29, left onto the ramp. No more using the frontage road style portions of the ramps and everyone can handle it!!
this is immediately the solution i thought of to fix this problem (i-485 in Charlotte): https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3684929,-80.7854475,17z but honestly why is there a triangle of roads there? SR 29 should be the only road leaving south from there, that unsigned stub should have been removed completely or at least cul-de-saced.
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 19, 2016, 04:48:49 PM
this is immediately the solution i thought of to fix this problem (i-485 in Charlotte): https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3684929,-80.7854475,17z but honestly why is there a triangle of roads there? SR 29 should be the only road leaving south from there, that unsigned stub should have been removed completely or at least cul-de-saced.
That is a good question probably only answered with "because the road was already there" or something--before the expressway, the leg of 29 that currently brances off to the northwest to meet 24/35 didn't exist. Today, it could probably be removed without causing too much trouble--except adding to volume at the eastern intersections of the split diamond for those taking 29 and going through to 24/35 on the west side. INDOT must have traffic counts for all these, but who knows. Probably cheaper to leave the road there than take it out, just like Monticello Road's exit westbound and the whole dual carriageway staying in place between there and still-current 24/35. No real reason for it to be there anymore, but it would cost something to take it out.
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 19, 2016, 04:58:59 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 19, 2016, 04:48:49 PM
this is immediately the solution i thought of to fix this problem (i-485 in Charlotte): https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3684929,-80.7854475,17z but honestly why is there a triangle of roads there? SR 29 should be the only road leaving south from there, that unsigned stub should have been removed completely or at least cul-de-saced.
That is a good question probably only answered with "because the road was already there" or something--before the expressway, the leg of 29 that currently brances off to the northwest to meet 24/35 didn't exist. Today, it could probably be removed without causing too much trouble--except adding to volume at the eastern intersections of the split diamond for those taking 29 and going through to 24/35 on the west side. INDOT must have traffic counts for all these, but who knows. Probably cheaper to leave the road there than take it out, just like Monticello Road's exit westbound and the whole dual carriageway staying in place between there and still-current 24/35. No real reason for it to be there anymore, but it would cost something to take it out.
I think keeping the existing roadways is fine because there are houses along the roads, but obviously, the signage and lighting were inadequate. You could maybe give INDOT a pass on signage as a split diamond like this is uncommon in the state, but I will say that the lack of lighting at all the new interchanges on SR 25, US 31, and I-69 is something they should have done something about. In Hamilton County (Carmel, especially), there is expensive, ornamental lighting everywhere along the new US 31 freeway. Was that paid for by INDOT or the cities in Hamilton County?
Quote from: mukade on June 19, 2016, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 19, 2016, 04:58:59 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 19, 2016, 04:48:49 PM
this is immediately the solution i thought of to fix this problem (i-485 in Charlotte): https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3684929,-80.7854475,17z but honestly why is there a triangle of roads there? SR 29 should be the only road leaving south from there, that unsigned stub should have been removed completely or at least cul-de-saced.
That is a good question probably only answered with "because the road was already there" or something--before the expressway, the leg of 29 that currently brances off to the northwest to meet 24/35 didn't exist. Today, it could probably be removed without causing too much trouble--except adding to volume at the eastern intersections of the split diamond for those taking 29 and going through to 24/35 on the west side. INDOT must have traffic counts for all these, but who knows. Probably cheaper to leave the road there than take it out, just like Monticello Road's exit westbound and the whole dual carriageway staying in place between there and still-current 24/35. No real reason for it to be there anymore, but it would cost something to take it out.
I think keeping the existing roadways is fine because there are houses along the roads, but obviously, the signage and lighting were inadequate. You could maybe give INDOT a pass on signage as a split diamond like this is uncommon in the state, but I will say that the lack of lighting at all the new interchanges on SR 25, US 31, and I-69 is something they should have done something about. In Hamilton County (Carmel, especially), there is expensive, ornamental lighting everywhere along the new US 31 freeway. Was that paid for by INDOT or the cities in Hamilton County?
I'm going to say Carmel paid for it because federally funded highways tend to go for boiler plate lighting in an effort to use money in the most effective way.
I am not sure if there is boilerplate when it comes to lighting. The I-69/SR 68 is lit like a Christmas tree, but things are then dark on I-69 until Bloomington. The contracts for US 31/SR 28 seem to have lighting, but there is no lighting on US 31 in Kokomo. I don't remember seeing much lighting on US 31 near South Bend. Anyway, it isn't real consistent.
I think there needs to be a minimum level of lighting at interchanges.
Quote from: mukade on June 19, 2016, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 19, 2016, 04:58:59 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 19, 2016, 04:48:49 PM
this is immediately the solution i thought of to fix this problem (i-485 in Charlotte): https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3684929,-80.7854475,17z but honestly why is there a triangle of roads there? SR 29 should be the only road leaving south from there, that unsigned stub should have been removed completely or at least cul-de-saced.
That is a good question probably only answered with "because the road was already there" or something--before the expressway, the leg of 29 that currently brances off to the northwest to meet 24/35 didn't exist. Today, it could probably be removed without causing too much trouble--except adding to volume at the eastern intersections of the split diamond for those taking 29 and going through to 24/35 on the west side. INDOT must have traffic counts for all these, but who knows. Probably cheaper to leave the road there than take it out, just like Monticello Road's exit westbound and the whole dual carriageway staying in place between there and still-current 24/35. No real reason for it to be there anymore, but it would cost something to take it out.
I think keeping the existing roadways is fine because there are houses along the roads, but obviously, the signage and lighting were inadequate. You could maybe give INDOT a pass on signage as a split diamond like this is uncommon in the state, but I will say that the lack of lighting at all the new interchanges on SR 25, US 31, and I-69 is something they should have done something about. In Hamilton County (Carmel, especially), there is expensive, ornamental lighting everywhere along the new US 31 freeway. Was that paid for by INDOT or the cities in Hamilton County?
The northernmost section of SR 29 in question has no houses or anything on it though--it was carved out of farmland when the Logansport bypass was built for US 35 to connect to SR 29/Burlington Ave. They could eliminate that section of road without too much problem, getting rid of the triangle, but that would not get rid of the split diamond. Burlington Ave, on the other hand, dates to before any of the bypasses and has houses and access that must be maintained.
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 19, 2016, 09:20:05 PM
The northernmost section of SR 29 in question has no houses or anything on it though--it was carved out of farmland when the Logansport bypass was built for US 35 to connect to SR 29/Burlington Ave. They could eliminate that section of road without too much problem, getting rid of the triangle, but that would not get rid of the split diamond. Burlington Ave, on the other hand, dates to before any of the bypasses and has houses and access that must be maintained.
Yes, there are no driveways onto SR 29, but the SR 29 route is clearly the major one of the two with much of it being four lanes. Burlington Ave. is two lanes and not a modern, safe highway by any means. Moreover, assuming Logansport wants development along their bypass (unlike Kokomo, for example), i would say that the SW quadrant along SR 29 is one of the two likely areas for it to happen. So i can't imagine that section of road being eliminated.
Quote from: mukade on June 20, 2016, 07:44:25 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 19, 2016, 09:20:05 PM
The northernmost section of SR 29 in question has no houses or anything on it though--it was carved out of farmland when the Logansport bypass was built for US 35 to connect to SR 29/Burlington Ave. They could eliminate that section of road without too much problem, getting rid of the triangle, but that would not get rid of the split diamond. Burlington Ave, on the other hand, dates to before any of the bypasses and has houses and access that must be maintained.
Yes, there are no driveways onto SR 29, but the SR 29 route is clearly the major one of the two with much of it being four lanes. Burlington Ave. is two lanes and not a modern, safe highway by any means. Moreover, assuming Logansport wants development along their bypass (unlike Kokomo, for example), i would say that the SW quadrant along SR 29 is one of the two likely areas for it to happen. So i can't imagine that section of road being eliminated.
Isn't SR 29 only the two-lane route up to where it meets 24/35 (and now 25)? The dual carriageway north/west of there is 24/35 through the old 25 "interchange" and then 24 leaves. The old road before the 24/35 bypass (originally just 35) was built was current Burlington Ave, with that leg (where following 29 to its northern end requires a left turn) built with the 35 bypass as two lanes, only widening to four right where it met 35.
Anyway, getting rid of it wouldn't do much good right now, but conceivably if people can't handle the split diamond, that northernmost part of 29 could become part of 24/35 if they made it exit, turn left at Burlington, then right and straight through. Silly? Yes, but so is the problem with the split diamond.