The Wisconsin Department of Transportation is now putting all its proposal/plan documentation online for free! (login NOT required)
QuoteNew distribution method
WisDOT will be phasing out the CDs typically used to distribute plans and proposals and beginning with the June 2011 letting, all plans and proposals will be available on the HCCI website. There is no charge for accessing the plans and proposals.
Each let contract will have at least two pdf files:
One for the plan
And one for the proposal
Larger projects may have several PDF files to make downloading easier and faster. WisDOT will post three months worth of plans and proposals until our server capacity increases.
If you are enrolled in the annual subscription program you will continue to receive the CDs through December 2011 unless you ask that they no longer be sent. WisDOT will not refund any subscription payments. No CDs will be distributed after December 2011.
Link: http://roadwaystandards.dot.wi.gov/hcci/contracting-information/index.shtm#plans
Direct Link: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/ (ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/)
Here is an interesting signage page of an interchange reconstruction contract that caught my eye:
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Can someone explane what that "SPLIT" line means? (Perhaps WisDOT is experimenting with other methods of sign construction instead of the usual extruded strips?)
I would have to think it means they're going to two-panel signs.
WisDOT just released new plans for Dec and Jan. December is a huge month plan wise and Jan is very very small for some reason.
At the moment, January has just construction plans for call number 9, which is a 245-MB job that I suspect is being given a special eight-week advertisement because the scope is so large. This is almost certainly not the entire January advertisement. For that matter, there is a slender possibility of additional plans being uploaded for December because the NTC has "Deferred" listed for three or four call numbers. WisDOT could upload plans for one or more of these calls if it were willing to accept a shorter advertising period.
Ever since WisDOT started uploading construction plans sets to its FTP server, I have been extracting pattern-accurate sign panel detail sheets from each plan set using 'pdftk' and a special batch script I wrote as a wrapper around it. Essentially the script launches each plan file in Acrobat, I navigate to the signing sheets using the bookmarks, I input the page numbers into the script, and it then extracts each page. My count of sign design sheets for December 2011 is about 67, of which 23 came from 10603470 alone (I think it is some kind of a preliminary contract for the Zoo Interchange).
Edit: Some of the contracts in the December letting deal with the De Pere-Suamico length of the US 41 Interstate conversion.
Edit II: The lone contract uploaded for the January 2012 letting is 11330671, the big Scheuring Road contract, also part of the US 41 Interstate upgrade. It has a sheet count of 2300.
Thanks for the information, John. Since WisDOT started releasing plans (publicly online) has there been any that have made you go "what the hell are they doing/ thinking"?
To tell the truth, no--I think WisDOT's basic approach to guide signing is generally sane. They have been doing a lot of overhead signing for multilane roundabouts as part of the US 41 expansion, and I am uncertain how well that works in practice. I do like the way they now indicate lane drops on the "Christmas tree" stippled-arrow diagrammatics used on the approaches to system interchanges in greater Milwaukee. Instead of using the usual dash-skip-dash pattern for the dropped lane in the arrow graphic, they now use a dot-dot-dot pattern which matches the elephant-track striping used on the pavement. This provides additional positive guidance.
There are examples of overhead lane-assignment signing for roundabouts in the Scheuring Road contract in the January 2012 advertisement and of Christmas tree diagrammatics in the Zoo Interchange advance contract.
Quote from: on_wisconsin on October 05, 2011, 12:03:23 AM
Can someone explane what that "SPLIT" line means? (Perhaps WisDOT is experimenting with other methods of sign construction instead of the usual extruded strips?)
The split indicates joints in the panels that comprise the sign. Split locations are determined by WisDOT Central Office (who designs the sign plates for project plansets). You will typically see the word split on plans larger signs, with either sheet aluminum or 7-ply high density plywood substrates, (the latter being more common). The exception to that rule lies with some of the larger overhead guide signs installed near system interchanges, when you're dealing with signs that span the entire freeway. Note that the sheet states that those signs are to be Type III (upper right-hand corner). Type III signs are typically for temporary purposes (construction zones). These signs are usually constructed with plywood wood as the substrate. Extruded aluminum will only be found on Type I signs.
Quote from: WisDOT Spec BookType I signs consist of guide signs having extruded aluminum base material, reflective backgrounds, and reflective demountable messages. They are ground mounted on steel posts and are used in unlighted overhead locations.
Type II signs consist of miscellaneous warning, regulatory, informational, and standard size guide signs, having sheet aluminum or plywood base material, and reflective or non-reflective backgrounds, and non-removable messages.
Type III signs consist of small guide signs having sheet aluminum or plywood base material, reflective backgrounds, and reflective demountable messages. If ground mounted, type III signs have wooden post supports.
^
Cool never knew that, thanks for the in depth response. Anyone know if the plans for the Fish Hatchery Rd interchange reconstruction in Madison have been released?
Quote from: on_wisconsin on April 25, 2012, 08:31:32 PM
Anyone know if the plans for the Fish Hatchery Rd interchange reconstruction in Madison have been released?
Since the project begins in a couple months, http://www.dot.wi.gov/projects/swregion/fishhatch/index.htm (http://www.dot.wi.gov/projects/swregion/fishhatch/index.htm), they have to be around somewhere, as they would have already been out for bid. The problem is trying to find it amongst all the other project plansets. I still haven't figured out the method to their numbering madness. It'd be too convenient for them to include a key with the bid lets.
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/05May_08/20120508002plan.pdf
Quote from: JREwing78 on April 25, 2012, 11:07:54 PM
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/05May_08/20120508002plan.pdf
^^^^
WARNING That's an 82 MB pdf there
I find a couple things interesting with the Special Sign Plates section--sheet 466 to be specific. First, it's in Clearview. Now this was the western endpoint of the Clearview experimentation segment. Apparently all the signs in that corridor will be replaced in-kind until the whole segment is replaced, probably to keep some uniformity. Secondly, those plates were either designed by another consultant/contractor or WisDOT C.O. is experimenting with SignCAD. Note that the design format is a significant deviation from their other special sign plate design standards.
Sheet 466 (I'd bet the farm this was done in SignCAD):
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Typical Special Sign Detail Sheet, (using an in-house MicroStation MDL)--Todd Dr is back to normal:
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EDIT: Photos re-linked
^^
Interesting. Also odd is the use of a Google Maps screen shot in the title page.
(Thanks for the link BTW!)
Quote from: DaBigE on April 25, 2012, 10:23:42 PMThe problem is trying to find it amongst all the other project plansets. I still haven't figured out the method to their numbering madness. It'd be too convenient for them to include a key with the bid lets.
The "key" is in the bid advertisements, available here:
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/business/engrserv/bid-advertisements.htm
WisDOT as-advertised plans and proposals have standardized filenames of the form YYYYMMDDCCCplan.pdf for plans and YYYYMMDDCCCproposal.pdf for proposals. "YYYYMMDD" is the letting date and "CCC" is the call number under which the project is listed in the bid advertisement for that letting date. The bid advertisements have the WisDOT project numbers corresponding to each call and can thus be used to generate a cross-reference table, though not in a simple fashion because the bid advertisements are all in PDF format. (I have an
Acrobat script which dumps each bid advertisement to plain-text format and a batch file which parses the text to cross-reference YYYYMMDDCCC with a lead project number for each call.)
WisDOT, like MnDOT, TxDOT, Louisiana DOTD, and lots of other state DOTs, uses a control-section-job project numbering scheme. A typical WisDOT project number consists of eight digits, of which the first four are a control section, the next two are a macro project code, and the final two are a project number. Generally construction and maintenance projects have "7" or "8" as the first of the two final digits, while ROW acquisition projects have "2" in this position. If WisDOT project numbers are hyphenated (more often than not they aren't when they are used as part of a plans filename), they are broken into 4-2-2 groups.
Part of the reason WisDOT does not use project numbers to identify plan sets at letting is that sometimes multiple projects are grouped under one call. Sometimes a single planset is generated for multiple project numbers, and sometimes each project has its own planset, with the separate plansets for all the projects under the call being merged one after the other into a single PDF file. In the former case I think WisDOT deals with the as-builts by cross-referencing: the actual plans are under one of the project numbers while the others have pointers to it. In the latter case, I think WisDOT unbundles the separate plansets for archiving the as-lets and as-builts under their respective project numbers.
Quote from: on_wisconsin on April 26, 2012, 08:00:20 PM
Also odd is the use of a Google Maps screen shot in the title page.
Yeah, I saw that too.
Technically, they are not supposed to be used, as the data isn't always the most accurate. A couple years ago, WisDOT yelled at consultants for using Google, Yahoo!, or other commercial maps as part of a planset or study, especially without some form of disclosure mentioning the mapping source. WisDOT maintains their own map .dgn files for each county that are supposed to be used. (Which is what is used to produce the State highway maps.)
Quote from: DaBigE on April 26, 2012, 11:11:54 AM
Typical Special Sign Detail Sheet, (using an in-house MicroStation MDL)--Todd Dr is back to normal:
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Weird...the tops of the "d"s slope opposite from what is normally found in Series E(M) text.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 08, 2012, 10:08:18 AM
Weird...the tops of the "d"s slope opposite from what is normally found in Series E(M) text.
Good eye! :wow: I've never noticed that before. Oddly, looking at some of my other WisDOT signing plans, it's the same there too. At least it's consistent? Surprisingly, it is also constructed that way as well. (Despite what the sign plans say, the signing contractors/manufacturers have a habit of making minor changes to the end product.) Looking at some WisDOT sign plates that use Series E, the slope on the 'd' is the other way. As far as I can tell, the lowercase 'd' is the only letter with a slope that changes direction. Yet another oddity of the Wisconsin Department of Transportation.
EDIT: Drove that stretch of the beltline and the slash on the 'd' is constructed correctly in all occurrences that I found, despite what the plans originally had shown. My previous statement was based on a poor quality GSV image
did they get lazy and mirror the "b" glyph?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 08, 2012, 01:59:46 PM
did they get lazy and mirror the "b" glyph?
That makes perfect sense, since all the letters are individual cells in MicroStation. I always suspected that with the NO LEFT TURN sign as well. In their CADD cell library (and for the longest time in their standard sign plate library), the NO LEFT TURN showed the slash going up and right not down and left like all the other prohibition signs (including the NO RIGHT TURN--the left turn's mirror). The official sign plate was "corrected" in 2010, but the CADD cell still remains the other way. Yet another case where the sign manufacturer (appropriately?) ignored the drawing spec.
WisDOT just released a HUGE advance plan set for July:
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/07July_24/ (ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/07July_24/)
Without even looking at it, I am sure it has to be a US 41 job.
I am still waiting to see if the June upload is complete; no bid advertisement has been uploaded yet.
Edit (30 seconds later)--Now uploaded.
^
Your guess is correct its for the massive WIS 29/ US 41 interchange and environs. The signage plans are in "plan B".
Right now I have pdftk churning out sign design sheets from the single-file version, which has 3630 pages total (of which about 900 are cross-section sheets). I think it is probably the biggest plan set I have seen from WisDOT since the Marquette Interchange "core" in 2005, which had something like 4100 sheets (about 570 MB).
The June plans sets have 14 sheets of pattern-accurate sign designs total--nothing remarkable. The US 41 job alone has 25 sign design sheets, including arrow-per-lane diagrammatics and vintage examples of overhead approach signs for roundabouts. In terms of signing detail, this plans set is fairly bare-bones--with other large WisDOT projects you sometimes get pattern-accurate sign designs for specialty traffic-control signs, sign elevation sheets with pattern-accurate renditions of overhead sign panels mounted on the structure, etc.
Quote from: J N Winkler on May 08, 2012, 06:09:24 PM
The US 41 job alone has 25 sign design sheets, including arrow-per-lane diagrammatics and vintage examples of overhead approach signs for roundabouts. In terms of signing detail, this plans set is fairly bare-bones--with other large WisDOT projects you sometimes get pattern-accurate sign designs for specialty traffic-control signs, sign elevation sheets with pattern-accurate renditions of overhead sign panels mounted on the structure, etc.
Having personally worked on a large chunk of the signing sheets for the 41 corridor project, I am curious as to what you mean by "vintage examples".
I mean "vintage" in the same general sense as "classic"--i.e., reflecting consistent application of the same design principles that are evident in other WisDOT projects which have included overhead lane assignment signs for roundabouts: one arrow per lane, dot used to indicate the central island, etc.
Quote from: J N Winkler on May 09, 2012, 12:32:36 AM
I mean "vintage" in the same general sense as "classic"--i.e., reflecting consistent application of the same design principles that are evident in other WisDOT projects which have included overhead lane assignment signs for roundabouts: one arrow per lane, dot used to indicate the central island, etc.
Unfortunately, that's not totally true, especially in the SE Region. Even though WisDOT CO has updated the standard sign plates with the designs utilizing larger arrows (as seen on the US-41 corridor), there are still new roundabout projects still using the older design with the smaller, compressed, harder to see arrows. One of our goals was for uniformity (ideally around the state), throughout the whole project corridor, both signage and pavement markings. Any of the sign layouts I didn't directly work on, I helped review.
Digging through the massive July contract I came across this mess. IMHO
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(its 45 feet long!)The few issues I see:
- The center arrow placement looks weird.
- I cant place it but the exit tabs also look off. IMO
- And just for mgk920: the WIS 32 shield has those military arrow do hickeys.
Normally, I would cheer almost any sign with the arrow-per-lane setup. But this one and the one on the next page in the PDF look quite bad.
Well, I suppose that that is the best that can be expected, the off-ramp for the Shawano Ave street interchange will diverge from that C/D roadway right after the two-lane high-speed flyover ramp to head west on WI 29 does.
:spin:
Mike
(BTW, a common test of one's 'Wisconsinness' is to have him or her try to correctly pronounce 'Shawano'. :nod: )
I think the exit tabs look fine, but there is no way all three arrows can be centered on the lanes they represent. It looks like the straight-ahead arrow for US 41 has been displaced to the left in order to accommodate the SR 29/Shawano Ave. legend block: the distance between the right side of the barb of the US 41 arrow and the left side of the left barb of the double-headed arrow is given as 218", when for a lane of standard width (12') it should be a little less than 144".
This particular problem arises quite often when an arrow-per-lane diagrammatic is used (abused?) to show information for two exits in rapid succession. Since this interchange does not involve a through-route TOTSO, it would have been entirely acceptable to use multiple signs with downward-pointing arrows instead of an arrow-per-lane diagrammatic, but this approach would have tended to conceal the option lane.
Quote from: J N Winkler on May 09, 2012, 09:00:46 PM
I think the exit tabs look fine, but there is no way all three arrows can be centered on the lanes they represent. It looks like the straight-ahead arrow for US 41 has been displaced to the left in order to accommodate the SR 29/Shawano Ave. legend block: the distance between the right side of the barb of the US 41 arrow and the left side of the left barb of the double-headed arrow is given as 218", when for a lane of standard width (12') it should be a little less than 144".
This particular problem arises quite often when an arrow-per-lane diagrammatic is used (abused?) to show information for two exits in rapid succession. Since this interchange does not involve a through-route TOTSO, it would have been entirely acceptable to use multiple signs with downward-pointing arrows instead of an arrow-per-lane diagrammatic, but this approach would have tended to conceal the option lane.
Yea, these ramps will be diverging for a collector/distributor (C/D') roadway that will run northbound between WI 29/Shawano Ave and Mason St (WI 54), just to the south. The three actual US 41 (future I-xx) northbound through lanes there will be a separate carriageway just to the left.
Mike
Here are two signs I found rather interesting from a February Letting:
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The one on the right seems especially unusual for WisDOT.
The W2-1 Modified must be project-specific, as its never appeared like that in the standard sign plate library nor as any recent transmittals. I'm kinda curious as to the thought process behind this one. WisDOT's usual treatment for adding emphasis would be to add temporary (or now "permanent") flags or a flashing beacon/wig-wag assembly. Technically, this one violates the MUTCD, as ยง2A.15 only allows for diagonal alternating stripes.
Where is that BGS going to go?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 03, 2012, 10:34:24 PM
Where is that BGS going to go?
My bad, here is the link:
ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/02February_14/20120214012plan.pdf (ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/02February_14/20120214012plan.pdf)
(The map is on the Title Page and the signs in question are on pages 203- 204.)
Quote from: on_wisconsin on June 03, 2012, 10:40:35 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 03, 2012, 10:34:24 PM
Where is that BGS going to go?
My bad, here is the link:
ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/02February_14/20120214012plan.pdf (ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/02February_14/20120214012plan.pdf)
(The map is on the Title Page and the signs in question are on pages 203- 204.)
OK thanks. This encourages people to take US-12 and I-43 to Delevan instead of going through town to connect with WI-11.
Looks like WisDOT is taking a page from CalTrans :ded::
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From this plan: ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/07July_10/20120710007plan.pdf (ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/07July_10/20120710007plan.pdf) (page 213)
:eyebrow: I'm surprised, but not that much...that's the SE Region for you. They're the only region in the State to have their own sign design crew--the rest come out of the (sane-er) Central Office. I've seen some wacky plans come out of there, but this one takes the prize for breaking from WisDOT convention.
The August plans are up on the WisDOT site and contain zero new sign plates.
The sole highlight is the Junction Rd- Mineral Point Rd Jug Handle in Madison.
WisDOT just posted the September plans, this month is just your run of the mill letting, couldn't find much of anything to note. Almost all of the plans are for the eastern side of the state. Four of them have to do with the assembly of prefab steel sections for the I-43/ I-XX interchange.
link: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/09September_11/
Quote from: on_wisconsin on June 03, 2012, 08:06:01 PM
Here are two signs I found rather interesting from a February Letting:
The one on the right seems especially unusual for WisDOT.
The one on the right (W2-1) is up. It's on a mast arm over US-12/WI-67 at the CTH-ES intersection in Abells Corners. That's a particularly nasty area with a 35 MPH speed limit. I've attached a really bad cellphone pic to kind of give you an idea.
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On the one hand, that sign is considerably more visible than before (I drove through there a few weeks ago). But that intersection honestly should have just gone signalized instead.
WisDOT is also not a believer in flashing caution lights. WIS 26 at County N north of Milton has flashing lights for traffic stopping, but nothing warning WIS 26 traffic beyond the normal signage. Not that this will be much of a concern in the next year or so once the bypass is finished (and while County N is rerouted south along WIS 59).
I count about 15 sheets of pattern-accurate sign designs in the latest WisDOT letting--of which probably the majority were custom workzone signs.
Quote from: JREwing78 on August 12, 2012, 11:36:10 AM
On the one hand, that sign is considerably more visible than before (I drove through there a few weeks ago). But that intersection honestly should have just gone signalized instead.
WisDOT is also not a believer in flashing caution lights. WIS 26 at County N north of Milton has flashing lights for traffic stopping, but nothing warning WIS 26 traffic beyond the normal signage. Not that this will be much of a concern in the next year or so once the bypass is finished (and while County N is rerouted south along WIS 59).
They are going to re-route Walworth County N along 59? Do you mean from Whitewater all the way to WI-59 just east of Newville?
That makes no sense.
Quote from: J N Winkler on August 12, 2012, 11:52:23 AM
I count about 15 sheets of pattern-accurate sign designs in the latest WisDOT letting--of which probably the majority were custom workzone signs.
I checked out the WisDOT plans which are pretty cool. The actual plans look a lot like the online INDOT plans that are also posted, but INDOT generally publishes a boatload every month. I like the simplicity to access to the WisDOT plans, but it took a long time to download a PDF. INDOT offers a two-step way to get to the plans: 1) find the contract number, 2) download the plans here (https://netservices.indot.in.gov/ViewDocs2.0/).
What other states have plans online? URLs?
Quote from: mukade on August 12, 2012, 01:32:08 PMWhat other states have plans online? URLs?
My current count is 41 out of 50. The vast majority of the 41 make the plans available to the general public free of charge, but there are close to 10 which require payment of a subscription fee, while a few others require some kind of registration (automated self-registration is the norm but a few require you to supply tax documentation, such as a W-9, which is reviewed before access is granted).
Here is a clickable list of the states that have "walk-on" access to online plans (WI and IN, though previously mentioned, are included for completeness):
AK* All Region bid calendar (advertised plans):
http://www.dot.state.ak.us/apps/contracts?ACTION=BIDCAL®ION_CODE=ALL
* Southeast Region as-builts:
http://dot.alaska.gov/sereg/asbuilts/index.shtml
WA* WSDOT contracts (awarded contracts are in separate folders by contract number; current advertisements are in an "Advertised projects" folder with no contract numbers):
ftp://ftp.wsdot.wa.gov/contracts/
OR* Electronic Bid Documents distribution platform (requires registration; process is automated):
https://ecm.odot.state.or.us/cf/EBIDS/
CA* Caltrans Office Engineer (Attachment A is current week's advertisements; other Attachments are for planned advertisements, advertisements from previous weeks, etc.; plans remain available after award but retrieval may require directory browsing):
http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/esc/oe/weekly_ads/attach_a.php
MT* MDT FTP server:
ftp://ftp.mdt.mt.gov/contract/bid-packages/
UT* UDOT Project Explorer (public links go to bowdlerized plan sets only--you need an account for login access to structure plans):
http://eprpw.dot.utah.gov/Applets-Production/ProjectExplorer/ProjectExplorer.asp
TX* TxDOT Plans Online:
ftp://planuser:txdotplans@plans.dot.state.tx.us/State-Let-Construction/
OK* Oklahoma DOT Preliminary Project Plan Sheets (actually finished plans sets, but called "preliminary" so you don't confuse them with the printed plans sets, which are considered official):
http://www.okladot.state.ok.us/contracts/
KS* KDOT Proposals (actually includes full plans sets--the title dates from pre-2008 times when only proposals could be downloaded):
http://www.ksdot.org/burconsmain/contracts/proposal.asp
NE* NDOR lettings (direct links to plans are under each letting date):
http://www.dor.state.ne.us/letting/lettings.htm
SD* SDDOT lettings (plans are under each letting):
http://apps.sd.gov/applications/hc65c2c/HC65BidLetting/ebslettings1.aspx
ND* NDDOT Eplans:
http://www.dot.nd.gov/dotnet2/eplans/default.aspx
AR* AHTD lettings (plans are available only between advertisement and bid opening):
http://www.arkansashighways.com/ProgCon/General/JOBS.htm
LA* LaDOTD Plans Online (links to plans are under each "Notice to Contractors"):
http://www.dotd.la.gov/lettings/construction.aspx
AL* Alabama DOT lettings:
http://alletting.dot.state.al.us/
GA* GDOT Historical Plans search (plans for advertised projects cost money to download through third-party vendors, but are available here free of charge after award--you will need the PI number, from the award sheets, to locate a specific project):
http://www.dot.state.ga.us/informationcenter/transpi/Pages/ProjectSelection.aspx
NC* NCDOT letting plans:
http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/
TN* TDOT lettings (links to plans are under the individual lettings):
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/Bid_Lettings.htm
IL* Illinois DOT E-plans:
http://eplan.dot.il.gov/desenv/
IN* Indiana DOT Netservices (requires, as noted, contract numbers for searching):
https://netservices.indot.in.gov/ViewDocs2.0/
OH* Ohio DOT Contracts:
http://contracts.dot.state.oh.us/
PA* PennDOT ECMS (use anonymous login, navigate to "Bid Packages"; requires IE):
http://www.dot14.state.pa.us/ECMS/
MI* Michigan DOT Eproposals (requires registration--process is fully automated):
http://mdotwas1.mdot.state.mi.us/public/bids/
WI* WisDOT online plans:
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/
CT* ConnDOT bid advertisements (links to plans are included under each advertisement--if plans are too large to host with the advertisement, a PDF file will state that plans are available on a State of Connecticut file transfer platform and give login details):
http://www.biznet.ct.gov/scp_search/BidResults.aspx?groupid=64
ME* Maine DOT contracts (links to plans are under each contract):
http://www.maine.gov/mdot/contractors/
Quote from: mukade on August 12, 2012, 01:32:08 PMI checked out the WisDOT plans which are pretty cool. The actual plans look a lot like the online INDOT plans that are also posted, but INDOT generally publishes a boatload every month. I like the simplicity to access to the WisDOT plans, but it took a long time to download a PDF. INDOT offers a two-step way to get to the plans: 1) find the contract number, 2) download the plans here (https://netservices.indot.in.gov/ViewDocs2.0/).
For many state DOTs there seems to be a tradeoff between ease of access and length of archiving. Some states, like WI and OK, make it very easy for you to drill down to the direct links or even to batch-download if you have a download manager like
IDM or enough programming skills to use
wget effectively, but the plans are left online only for a short period of time--WisDOT promises six months, for example, while Oklahoma DOT takes the plans down as soon as bids are opened. Other states, like PA, MI, and IN, essentially provide you with a Web-based front end to an electronic document management system. This makes downloading cumbersome to do and to automate (though there are ways . . .), but plans availability extends quite far into the past (2004 with partial 2003 availability for PennDOT, 2006 with partial 2004-05 availability for Michigan DOT, and at least two years back--probably as much as six--for Indiana DOT).
A few state DOTs, like Caltrans, Illinois DOT, and NCDOT spend the extra money on disk space so they can keep advertised plans online essentially indefinitely, but I think they are the exception. Caltrans has complete availability back to 2003, while NCDOT and Illinois DOT have good availability back to 2004, but all three states had bad letting droughts in the late noughties, so their storage demands are not as large as they might otherwise have been.
Quote from: JREwing78 on August 12, 2012, 11:36:10 AM
WisDOT is also not a believer in flashing caution lights.
That is not totally true. WisDOT is very
selective in their use. Wis 33 approaching Wis 175 in Washington County was reconstructed a few years back and included them. They're also regularly spec'd on higher-speed approaches to roundabouts. Eau Claire has 'em and last I saw, they were on the plans for at least one of the US 10 approaches near Marshfield.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 12, 2012, 12:50:54 PM
They are going to re-route Walworth County N along 59? Do you mean from Whitewater all the way to WI-59 just east of Newville?
That makes no sense.
Replace "reroute" with "detour" in my sentence above. That's probably the issue.
Currently, County N is detoured along WIS 59 while the WIS 26 interchange at County N is being built.
Quote from: JREwing78 on August 13, 2012, 09:24:15 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 12, 2012, 12:50:54 PM
They are going to re-route Walworth County N along 59? Do you mean from Whitewater all the way to WI-59 just east of Newville?
That makes no sense.
Replace "reroute" with "detour" in my sentence above. That's probably the issue.
Currently, County N is detoured along WIS 59 while the WIS 26 interchange at County N is being built.
Ah yes...thank you
The November plan sets are out (no Sept letting), so far its back to business as usual with next to no mention of any US 41 construction and plenty of projects statewide.
November Plans: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/11November_13/
(ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/11November_13/)
An emergency bridge repair letting will be held on Oct 23 for the I-43 Valley Road Bridge (B-40-285).
WisDOT has a new page for project advertisements:
http://roadwaystandards.dot.wi.gov/hcci/bid-letting/
I have been through the latest tranche of plans and have found 31 pattern-accurate sign design sheets, which is pretty decent given the lack of a single large contract in this letting.
I have also made some modifications to the scripts I use to manage WisDOT plans downloading. The pdftk wrapper script which I use for extracting sign design sheets now uses taskkill to police spent Acrobat windows. On the assumption that WisDOT construction plans will continue to "live" at the FTP URL given upthread (an assumption which I hope is not unfounded), I have also written a wget wrapper script to retrieve them automatically. Under Windows the wrapper script can be scheduled as a task and eliminates the need to check the WisDOT FTP server every so often for newly uploaded plans.
The plans for the December letting came out about a week ago, this month there is a number of bridge replacements and a few I-94 N-S project sets. Otherwise its your average letting with good statewide project distribution.
Dec plans: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/12December_11/
There is also large January pre-let plan set for the upcoming Zoo Interchange project: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/01January_8/20130108009plan.pdf
WisDOT released the January plans this past week and I say this month and its quite funbag of sorts. The amount of plans posted is small, a whopping total of 8. The main feature is a N-S project plan set that has the Southeast DOT office up their ol'tricks again. So lets get started: Here is the sign will SET THE STANDARDS when it comes to future MUTCDs.
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LOOK AT THIS! Who needs south, north, etc when you can just tell someone to 'go Chicago for 5 blocks down Highway 41 and turn left' I mean think of the possibilities!
'In 1492, Columbus headed Beloit to reach the New World'
Now that has some ring to it!
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THE SINKING INTERSTATE!!!!!!!!
Anyway here are the links:
January letting: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/01January_8/
N-S project plan set mentioned above: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/01January_8/20130108008plan.pdf
Ignoring that this is a carbon copy of an existing sign, can't you get to I-43 north/I-94 east/US 41 north by turning left on Becher?
Quote from: NE2 on December 09, 2012, 04:31:30 AM
Ignoring that this is a carbon copy of an existing sign, can't you get to I-43 north/I-94 east/US 41 north by turning left on Becher?
Also, don't forget that included in the whole US 41 interstate promotion thing is that US 41 is being moved off of that part of I-94 and onto its more logical routing in that area (I-894/(xx)/US 45 freeway).
Further, is 'Lincoln Memorial Dr' ever going to be used on BSGes in that area? Ramps from the Lake Interchange on I-794 feed directly into LM, a very important lakefront street that runs northeastward out of downtown, sort of Milwaukee's answer to Lake Shore Drive.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on December 09, 2012, 10:53:53 AM
Further, is 'Lincoln Memorial Dr' ever going to be used on BSGes in that area? Ramps from the Lake Interchange on I-794 feed directly into LM, a very important lakefront street that runs northeastward out of downtown, sort of Milwaukee's answer to Lake Shore Drive.
We'll see what happens next year with that Lake Interchange rebuild.
Quote from: on_wisconsin on December 09, 2012, 02:28:04 AM
WisDOT released the January plans this past week and I say this month and its quite funbag of sorts. The amount of plans posted is small, a whopping total of 8. The main feature is a N-S project plan set that has the Southeast DOT office up their ol'tricks again. So lets get started: Here is the sign will SET THE STANDARDS when it comes to future MUTCDs.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv704%2Fpackerfan386%2Fmke4_zpsa383f375.png&hash=f1f482ad209686c68cd2c4a0cbcdb9cd0e3ba4df)
LOOK AT THIS! Who needs south, north, etc when you can just tell someone to 'go Chicago for 5 blocks down Highway 41 and turn left' I mean think of the possibilities!
'In 1492, Columbus headed Beloit to reach the New World'
Now that has some ring to it!
I don't see what's wrong with using Chicago/Downtown/Madison/Beloit/etc instead of cardinal directions.
Even though it's I-94 "east" ...the road literally heads south. Of course you can't say "South" ...so "Chicago" makes hella more sense to me. If one can drive a car, one knows where Chicago is in relation to where they are. Same can be said for the rest of those place names.
oh god, please don't tell me that "Series D compressed to C or B width as needed" is a new official font which Wisconsin is using!
And why is "Beloit" in a bolder font than "Chicago"?
Quote from: Big John on December 11, 2012, 11:20:13 AM
And why is "Beloit" in a bolder font than "Chicago"?
It's a more important Wisconsin city?
<DUCKS and RUNS!>
:-D
Mike
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Looks pretty much the same size right now (pardon the google streetview stitching errors).
Something tells me the final sign will look just like the original... not all the signs in that PDF look exactly like they should.
(OK. I promise no more drunken-Magery'esq sign reviews this time.)
The February plan sets came out this past week, the statewide coverage is fine with no real WTF plans. There are 16 sets total with the highlights being I-90 work in La Crosse County and WIS 26 Ft. Atkinson bypass exit tab additions.
February Letting: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/02February_12/
Some La Crosse signs from the PDF:
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I am quite partial to the "La Crosse-Onalaska Exits" section at the top of this sign compared to the normal vanilla WisDOT/ MUTCD standard. (Yes the STH shields are rather misplaced but the top section makes up for it. IMHO)(ADD moment: It also vaguely reminds me of a discussion in the Road Illustrations thread last year.)
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PDF Link: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/02February_12/20130212001plan.pdf
A random sign from the WIS 26 Exit Tab plans:
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PDF Link: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/02February_12/20130212002plan.pdf
Quote from: on_wisconsin on June 06, 2012, 10:37:19 PM
Looks like WisDOT is taking a page from CalTrans :ded::
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From this plan: ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/07July_10/20120710007plan.pdf (ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2012/07July_10/20120710007plan.pdf) (page 213)
I saw this sign install yesterday on my trip to Mayfair. Apparently the design changed (for the better :clap: ) between the letting and what was actually installed, as that is not what it looks like in the field. The bottom border on the original Bluemound Rd sign was removed, and only
one arrow was used on the side, (centered vertically on the panel).
WisDOT March 2013 letting plans are now available:
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/03March_12/
I count about 33 pattern-accurate sign panel detail sheets in total. Of especial interest are the signs for a brand-new dumbbell roundabout interchange on STH 35 at Radio Rd./Chapman Dr. south of Hudson (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hudson,+WI&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Hudson,+St+Croix,+Wisconsin&ll=44.899158,-92.648048&spn=0.003823,0.009645&t=m&z=17&vpsrc=6). Overhead lane assignment signs will be used on the roundabout approaches. This project is call 36 (WisDOT project number 72000271) in the present letting.
Several of the drawings are formatted differently, with filled letters instead of the usual keylines, and appear to have been produced without recourse to WisDOT's signing CAD bolt-on. The projects with these unusual drawings all seem to originate from the Southeast Region.
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 06, 2013, 02:07:11 PM
Several of the drawings are formatted differently, with filled letters instead of the usual keylines, and appear to have been produced without recourse to WisDOT's signing CAD bolt-on. The projects with these unusual drawings all seem to originate from the Southeast Region.
The SE is the only region that has its own sign group outside of the Central Office in Madison. For some reason, SE virtually always fills their letters in. It's one way of telling where the plates were designed. Both groups use the same MicroStation V7 MDL for creating their plates.
Just a nitpick:
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 06, 2013, 02:07:11 PM
south of Hudson. Just barely outside River Falls city limits (http://goo.gl/maps/U7pds).
marginally on topic: I really like how WIS 35 (between WIS 29 East and I-94) is continuing its gradual but steady march towards being a full freeway. It seems like every year or so another grade separation is made. Now the state just needs to get on the ball and upgrade the super-2 around River Falls with the ROW preserved when it was built. :poke:
See here for my idea on the US 65 corridor south of River Falls. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5044.msg110755#msg110755)
Quote from: on_wisconsin on February 07, 2013, 12:32:57 AM
Just a nitpick:
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 06, 2013, 02:07:11 PM
south of Hudson. Just barely outside River Falls city limits (http://goo.gl/maps/U7pds).
marginally on topic: I really like how WIS 35 (between WIS 29 East and I-94) is continuing its gradual but steady march towards being a full freeway. It seems like every year or so another grade separation is made. Now the state just needs to get on the ball and upgrade the super-2 around River Falls with the ROW preserved when it was built. :poke:
See here for my idea on the US 65 corridor south of River Falls. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5044.msg110755#msg110755)
A minor aside, could we someday see an 'I-994' here?
:hmmm:
:meh:
Mike
WIDOT doesn't seem to have a lot of use for 3dis.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 07, 2013, 01:02:11 PM
WIDOT doesn't seem to have a lot of use for 3dis.
What else can they have? Aside from a Beltline Highway interstate, which I still really would like to see.
Had Illinois gone with I-53 instead of I-39 (like they should have), Wisconsin may have been forced to have a 3di on their independent segment of 39, which wouldn't have been the end of the world for them.
They also were considering I-594 and I-643 for what will become I-41, which actually does deserve a 2di.
WIS 441 also effectively acts as I-441. In fact, if they don't re designate that, I would be very surprised and maybe even write them a letter.
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 07, 2013, 08:46:39 PM
WIS 441 also effectively acts as I-441. In fact, if they don't re designate that, I would be very surprised and maybe even write them a letter.
It won't be done prior to reconstructing the south part which is currently substandard.
Then there is WI 172 between US 41 and I-43 which acts like a 3DI
Quote from: Big John on February 07, 2013, 08:56:05 PM
It won't be done prior to reconstructing the south part which is currently substandard.
I knew that; I thought they were fixing that as a part of the U.S. 41 upgrade.
Quote from: Big John on February 07, 2013, 08:56:05 PM
Then there is WI 172 between US 41 and I-43 which acts like a 3DI
And the only reason it didn't get a 3di x43 might have been because it's a bypass that doesn't currently end at another interstate, maybe?
Back on topic:
Two of the sheets in question from post #67:
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Quote from: Molandfreak on February 07, 2013, 09:02:31 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 07, 2013, 08:56:05 PM
It won't be done prior to reconstructing the south part which is currently substandard.
I knew that; I thought they were fixing that as a part of the U.S. 41 upgrade.
Quote from: Big John on February 07, 2013, 08:56:05 PM
Then there is WI 172 between US 41 and I-43 which acts like a 3DI
And the only reason it didn't get a 3di x43 might have been because it's a bypass that doesn't currently end at another interstate, maybe?
The planned six-laning of US 10/WI 441 in Winnebago County is a separate project and is waiting on funding. It is a real 'BIG SHOVEL' proposal, too, requiring a parallel long bridge over Little Lake Butte des Morts, several new free-flow flyover ramps at the US(I)-41 Bridgeview interchange and major highway realigning. It is on a similar scale to what WisDOT is now doing with US(I)-41 in the Green Bay area.
Construction geek heaven, to be sure!
:hyper:
Mike
@on_wisconsin
What's wrong with those sheets?
Quote from: colinstu on February 08, 2013, 07:43:58 AMWhat's wrong with those sheets?
Nothing, the post was in response/ concert to the quote below.(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skyscrapercity.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fsmile.gif&hash=9b7ad17525a59d96cb1822a59891a234f3b9bdb5)
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 06, 2013, 02:07:11 PM
Of especial interest are the signs for a brand-new dumbbell roundabout interchange on STH 35 at Radio Rd./Chapman Dr. south of Hudson. Overhead lane assignment signs will be used on the roundabout approaches. This project is call 36 (WisDOT project number 72000271) in the present letting.
Several of the drawings are formatted differently, with filled letters instead of the usual keylines, and appear to have been produced without recourse to WisDOT's signing CAD bolt-on. The projects with these unusual drawings all seem to originate from the Southeast Region.
Quote from: Big John on February 07, 2013, 08:56:05 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 07, 2013, 08:46:39 PM
WIS 441 also effectively acts as I-441. In fact, if they don't re designate that, I would be very surprised and maybe even write them a letter.
It won't be done prior to reconstructing the south part which is currently substandard.
Then there is WI 172 between US 41 and I-43 which acts like a 3DI
WI-30 in Madison is another....but that would be pretty short.
US-12 from I-43 south to the IL line.
US-53 north of Eau Claire (???) I have only been on that stretch once...
We will see if US-45 from US-41 to West Bend gets one...but I doubt that will happen.
Quote from: on_wisconsin on February 08, 2013, 01:19:58 AM
Back on topic:
Two of the sheets in question from post #67:
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That's kind of a shame. I like "Exits to River Falls" better than "River Falls Exits"
In what instance would the "Radio Road" arrow be used?
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WI-30 in Madison is another....but that would be pretty short.
If that went closer to the capitol or the downtown area, I would see your point, but that only leads to a residential area (not including shopko :sombrero:)
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US-12 from I-43 south to the IL line.
No. That's really a useless freeway as it exists. Had it been completed all the way from Madison to IL-53, it possibly would have been an extension of I-290.
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US-53 north of Eau Claire (???) I have only been on that stretch once...
If there were a good place to end it in Eau Claire, that would be ok, but I wouldn't end that where the freeway ends in Spooner. It'll never happen, but an I-535 extension is what I would go for there if you really wanted an interstate.
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We will see if US-45 from US-41 to West Bend gets one...but I doubt that will happen.
Meh... West Bend is close enough to 41 that it doesn't really need a 3di. If its population were double what it is now, I would see your point... I'd like to see an I-339 or something on the U.S. 10 corridor to Appleton, and 45 from Oshkosh to Waupaca would get an even I-x41, because it is a shortcut.
Anyway, we should really continue this discussion in fictional highways. I'll start a topic!
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 08, 2013, 10:59:54 AM
In what instance would the "Radio Road" arrow be used?
I'm guessing its part of the overhead directionals on the next page.
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You asked "What else can they have?" And I answered it.
I have no interest in discussing whether or not those highways are 3di worthy in your opinion.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 08, 2013, 11:12:49 AM
You asked "What else can they have?" And I answered it.
I have no interest in discussing whether or not those highways are 3di worthy in your opinion.
Jeez, man! Sorry if I was going too far! I didn't intend to upset you... I'm just... Overly opinionated :paranoid:
I guess what I meant by that is I understand WISDOT's reasoning why they didn't make those corridors 3dis. They certainly could have!
Quote from: on_wisconsin on February 08, 2013, 11:11:19 AM
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 08, 2013, 10:59:54 AM
In what instance would the "Radio Road" arrow be used?
I'm guessing its part of the overhead directionals on the next page.
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That makes sense. I guess I was confused because there wasn't a highway designation there. Maybe that's where a highway ends.
The April letting came out yesterday (3/4):
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/04April_09/
Nothing major of note so far, just your average letting it appears.
Anyone ever see plans for the I-94 WEST 3->4 lane widening? (from the marquette interchange to stadium interchange).
Construction for that has already begun, not sure what the delay is between plans and things actually happening.
Quote from: colinstu on March 05, 2013, 08:13:42 AM
Anyone ever see plans for the I-94 WEST 3->4 lane widening? (from the marquette interchange to stadium interchange).
Construction for that has already begun, not sure what the delay is between plans and things actually happening.
I've been a bit out of the loop on that one, what was decided for the design of the section through that cemetery just west of Miller Park?
Mike
Quote from: colinstu on March 05, 2013, 08:13:42 AMAnyone ever see plans for the I-94 WEST 3->4 lane widening? (from the marquette interchange to stadium interchange).
Construction for that has already begun, not sure what the delay is between plans and things actually happening.
Could that be this lane reconfiguration?
http://projects.511wi.gov/web/I-794-project
I
may have seen draft plans for something much more ambitious, but without having at least a control section (first four digits of a WisDOT project number), I wouldn't even know where to start looking in my files.
The delay between bid opening and start of construction varies by agency and climate. I would expect a lead time of two to three months for contract award and issuance of notice to proceed, but Wisconsin has severe winters and contracts that receive notice to proceed in December, say, may not see an actual start of construction until the following March.
Quote from: mgk920 on March 05, 2013, 10:53:27 AM
Quote from: colinstu on March 05, 2013, 08:13:42 AM
Anyone ever see plans for the I-94 WEST 3->4 lane widening? (from the marquette interchange to stadium interchange).
Construction for that has already begun, not sure what the delay is between plans and things actually happening.
I've been a bit out of the loop on that one, what was decided for the design of the section through that cemetery just west of Miller Park?
Mike
It's not being widened that far. The scope of this temporary fix ends at the stadium interchange... or somewhere past 35th St.
AFAIK anyway...
EDIT: They're doing Alternative 6 (Preferred alt) from what I can tell. They've already dug up the whole 35th St onramp to 94WB. They're working on the median of the bridge around that area too.
Quote from: colinstu on March 05, 2013, 11:35:15 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 05, 2013, 10:53:27 AM
Quote from: colinstu on March 05, 2013, 08:13:42 AM
Anyone ever see plans for the I-94 WEST 3->4 lane widening? (from the marquette interchange to stadium interchange).
Construction for that has already begun, not sure what the delay is between plans and things actually happening.
I've been a bit out of the loop on that one, what was decided for the design of the section through that cemetery just west of Miller Park?
Mike
It's not being widened that far. The scope of this temporary fix ends at the stadium interchange... or somewhere past 35th St.
AFAIK anyway...
EDIT: They're doing Alternative 6 (Preferred alt) from what I can tell. They've already dug up the whole 35th St onramp to 94WB. They're working on the median of the bridge around that area too.
Brainfart....
:-P
For some reason I was thinking of I-94 between the Stadium and Zoo interchanges, as part of the Zoo interchange rebuild....
:spin:
Mike
Quote from: on_wisconsin on March 05, 2013, 04:14:53 AM
The April letting came out yesterday (3/4):
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/04April_09/
Nothing major of note so far, just your average letting it appears.
20130409011plan.pdf is fairly notable, at least in the Madison area...it's the jughandle project for Mineral Point Rd at Junction Rd on the west side of Madison.
Quote from: DaBigE on March 05, 2013, 02:18:22 PM20130409011plan.pdf is fairly notable, at least in the Madison area...it's the jughandle project for Mineral Point Rd at Junction Rd on the west side of Madison.
It is also unusual in including sign elevation sheets for overhead signs (something other state DOTs routinely put in plans sets but which WisDOT does rarely).
Edit: I have finished reviewing the construction plans for this month's letting. I extracted 40 pattern-accurate sign design sheets, which is not a bad monthly number. I also noticed that in the first project (Call 1, project number 10710665) WisDOT included sign detail sheets showing lane-drop signs with black-bordered yellow panels, as opposed to the borderless yellow panels which have long been the standard in Wisconsin. Does this mean that the standards for lane-drop signs have changed?
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 06, 2013, 11:37:23 AM
Edit: I have finished reviewing the construction plans for this month's letting. I extracted 40 pattern-accurate sign design sheets, which is not a bad monthly number. I also noticed that in the first project (Call 1, project number 10710665) WisDOT included sign detail sheets showing lane-drop signs with black-bordered yellow panels, as opposed to the borderless yellow panels which have long been the standard in Wisconsin. Does this mean that the standards for lane-drop signs have changed?
Yes, it does. According to the standard plate for those kind of signs, it became a published standard in mid-2010.
The State came out with the new letting yesterday (4/8); this month there is a ton of plans on the FTP (51 total!).
May 2013 letting: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/05May_14/
Of note is:
- The first Verona Rd/ USH 151 Project plan set out so far, and featuring some of the first APL signs the WisDOT Southwest region: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/05May_14/20130514008plan.pdf
- The I-94 rebuild around the south side of Eau Claire: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/05May_14/20130514046.plan.pdf
- A US/(Future) I-41 plan set: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/05May_14/20130514028plan.pdf
- Some I-39/90 stuff around Janesville: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/05May_14/20130514001plan.pdf ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/05May_14/20130514003plan.pdf
The plans for the June letting came out yesterday (5/6), this month is more or less the opposite of last month due to the lack of interesting sets and quantity.
June 2013 letting: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/06June_11/
However, the DOT released a huge advance plan set for the Future I-41 corridor today (5/7). It is over 300 mb and some 3,840 pages long, also it contains at least 18 pages(!) of BGS sign details.
Link: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/07July_23/20130723001plan.pdf
Quote from: on_wisconsin on May 08, 2013, 12:52:33 AM
The plans for the June letting came out yesterday (5/6), this month is more or less the opposite of last month due to the lack of interesting sets and quantity.
I would beg to differ, but only because a project I was heavily involved with was let this time around.
Interesting to note that the new BGS's for WI-29 will now feature Wausau as the control city.
Quote from: on_wisconsin on May 08, 2013, 12:52:33 AMThe plans for the June letting came out yesterday (5/6), this month is more or less the opposite of last month due to the lack of interesting sets and quantity.
A quiet month every now and then is useful for maintenance. This month I put into storage a lot of batch files I had written to handle WisDOT plans in the past (reducing the number in my main WisDOT plans directory from 28 to 7), and also re-wrote my NTC parser so it uses
GhostScript and
pdftotext (the latter is part of the
xpdf distribution) for the PDF-to-text conversion and extracts
all of the project numbers for a given WisDOT call number, not just the first listed. Sample output (first extract has call number and lead project number, second extract has call number and all project numbers associated with that call):
20130611001,16700371
20130611002,36630061
20130611003,58450571
20130611004,60850076
20130611005,61450073
20130611006,75750160
20130611007,10603373
20130611008,10603399
20130611009,40651571
20130611010,15700170
20130611011,11200976
20130611012,11800460
20130611013,14501670
20130611014,80700876
20130611015,86400261
20130611016,67070062
20130723001,1133037720130611001,16700371
20130611002,36630061
20130611003,58450571
20130611004,60850076
20130611005,61450073,61450074
20130611006,75750160
20130611007,10603373
20130611008,10603399
20130611009,40651571,41800771,92101471
20130611010,15700170
20130611011,11200976,11200977,11200978,11200981
20130611012,11800460,15600260
20130611013,14501670
20130611014,80700876
20130611015,86400261,86400271
20130611016,67070062
20130723001,11330377,11330971,11330974,11330976Unlike the old version of the NTC parser (which had been built without benefit of
findstr or
sed), this one handles projects where the scope is given as "Statewide" or "Region-wide," not just in a "County" or group of "Counties." This saves the annoyance of having to key-in project numbers for, e.g., regionwide thermoplastic pavement marking renewal contracts, which never have any signing.
Edit to provide some statistics: The May 2013 letting had a total of 72 pattern-accurate sign design sheets, while the June 2013 letting has 25 out of 13 contracts (not a bad average considering how few contracts--just 16--there were in this letting). The special advertisement for July 23 (11330377 et al.) had a total of 23 sign design sheets: 19 for permanent signs and 4 for detour signs.
WisDOT has now uploaded plans and an advertisement for the July 9 letting. Grand total of sign panel detail sheets for designable signs in this letting: 4. There is a lot of guardrail work, a lot of non-highway work (rest area refurbishments and the like), at least one crack-filling job, some bridge rehabilitations, etc.
Plans and advertisements are now available for lettings on August 13 and 27. I count 62 pattern-accurate sign detail sheets, 31 of which are associated with a single contract--the Hoan Bridge redecking and I-794 refurbishment, which is currently the only contract listed for the August 27 letting and tips the scales at over 2000 sheets. The August 13 letting includes a considerable amount of Zoo Interchange advance work, though the largest contract is actually the I-43 early structures/early fill contract that is part of the US 41 expansion.
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 09, 2013, 06:03:55 PM
Plans and advertisements are now available for lettings on August 13 and 27. I count 62 pattern-accurate sign detail sheets, 31 of which are associated with a single contract--the Hoan Bridge redecking and I-794 refurbishment, which is currently the only contract listed for the August 27 letting and tips the scales at over 2000 sheets. The August 13 letting includes a considerable amount of Zoo Interchange advance work, though the largest contract is actually the I-43 early structures/early fill contract that is part of the US 41 expansion.
On the Hoan Bridge (I-794) redo, is WisDOT changing 'Lakefront' to 'Lincoln Memorial Dr' on those BGSes?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on July 10, 2013, 02:02:14 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 09, 2013, 06:03:55 PM
Plans and advertisements are now available for lettings on August 13 and 27. I count 62 pattern-accurate sign detail sheets, 31 of which are associated with a single contract--the Hoan Bridge redecking and I-794 refurbishment, which is currently the only contract listed for the August 27 letting and tips the scales at over 2000 sheets. The August 13 letting includes a considerable amount of Zoo Interchange advance work, though the largest contract is actually the I-43 early structures/early fill contract that is part of the US 41 expansion.
On the Hoan Bridge (I-794) redo, is WisDOT changing 'Lakefront' to 'Lincoln Memorial Dr' on those BGSes?
That looks to be the case: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/08August_27/20130827001planA.pdf
EDIT
Links to this month's lettings:
Aug 13: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/08August_13/
Aug 27 (Hoan Project): ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/08August_27/
Other then the MKE area stuff mentioned above, this months letting is rather lackluster with poor statewide distribution and the only real highlight being the US 51 4-lane conversion between Madison (I-94) and DeForest.
Quote from: on_wisconsin on July 10, 2013, 05:29:42 AM
Other then the MKE area stuff mentioned above, this months letting is rather lackluster with poor statewide distribution and the only real highlight being the US 51 4-lane conversion between Madison (I-94) and DeForest.
Four lane conversion doesn't do it justice. That's a freeway they're building around DeForest. That stretch should be set for a generation or more with this investment.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skyscrapercity.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fprevious.gif&hash=28b86d8439fc486c230c60bc571da5f7082eef03)
Yep (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6819.msg210233#msg210233), it (US 51) is currently a huge cluster right now with the way the northern suburbs have been growing the last 20 years. One huge long accident black-spot will hopefully be erased for many decades to come when it opens.
Quoting from a while back, I'd definitely like to see an I-x41 Spur on US45 between Oshkosh and Waupaca. US10 west of Appleton could *in theory* be signed as I-441, whether or not that would follow the guidelines (if any) of an even-numbered spur freeway is another question. I'd like to just create my own map, because a visual would be so much easier than words to describe, but I've yet to figure out how to do that.
In regards to the US 51 Freeway conversion, I wonder if in the long term they'd considered removing the long I-39/90/94 concurrency by rerouting I-39 onto US 51. That'd obviously take years...I am aware. but still not outside the realm of possibility...along with Routing a Chicagoland Freeway along US12 up to Madison/Dells.
As someone who frequently goes "up north", though, that US45-US10 Freeway is a GODSEND.
Quote from: merrycilantro on July 11, 2013, 12:22:10 PM
Quoting from a while back, I'd definitely like to see an I-x41 Spur on US45 between Oshkosh and Waupaca. US10 west of Appleton could *in theory* be signed as I-441,
Is US-45 / US-10 between Oshkosh and Waupaca full freeway? I thought there were cross streets east of Waupaca.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 11, 2013, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: merrycilantro on July 11, 2013, 12:22:10 PM
Quoting from a while back, I'd definitely like to see an I-x41 Spur on US45 between Oshkosh and Waupaca. US10 west of Appleton could *in theory* be signed as I-441,
Is US-45 / US-10 between Oshkosh and Waupaca full freeway? I thought there were cross streets east of Waupaca.
The US 10 freeway currently ends at Railroad Grade Rd/Old 49 Rd west of Fremont. IMHO, the only real technical hangup on designating US 45 from US(I)-41 (Algoma Interchange) to US 10 (Winchester Interchange) as a full interstate is at US(I)-41 - it is not a complete freeway-freeway interchange as the two SB to NB connections involve intersection turns. Also, the spacing between the interchanges at US 10 and County 'II' at Winchester is very short.
OTOH, I can envision all of US 10 between US(I)-41 and I-39 someday becoming 'I-441' - the entire highway is designed to allow eventual upgrading to a full freeway (but I digress into the 'fantasy' highway realm).
:-P
Mike
Fictional highways content split off to https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=9930.msg232411
The September letting was released Friday (8/2), this months letting is pretty small which seems to par for course this time of year. Notable is the first (I have seen in plan form) I-41 BGS shields w/ green out instructions (on otherwise very forgettable signs).
Sept. 2013 Letting: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/09September_10/
The two plan sets with I-41 shields: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/09September_10/20130910002plan.pdf, ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2013/09September_10/20130910003plan.pdf
Second set does has I-41 cosigned with US 41, while the first set only has I-41 - interesting.
The second set also has a freeway entrance sign going in somewhere.
If anyone cares, the State won't be having any lettings this month as it is there annual "no let" month. Normal services should resume in October.
[thread revive]
The July (August) 2014 letting has a decent number of plans for midsummer, this month WisDOT also put up the plans for the first stage of the Zoo Interchange 'core' which has a separate bid date from the general lettings.
General letting: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2014/08August_12/
Zoo Interchange plan set: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2014/08August_26/
Here are a few signs capped from the Zoo IC plans:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv704%2Fpackerfan386%2Fdsffsdf_zps01678a71.jpg&hash=1124a41863e2c266952df247aa19699edff0889b)
Note: The I-41 shields will be greened out until the designation is in place. In addition, the Interstate shields are all kinds of wrong, because its a WisDOT SE region plan set, but the final product will most likely be fine.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv704%2Fpackerfan386%2Frtyrth6_zps47c0ca01.jpg&hash=b6f524addb9a4b32d3a55d85923f1e60498a25a3)
Note: The fractions are messed up because it came out of the SE region, the final product will most likely be okay. Green out will cover the WIS 175 shield until I-41 is officially designated.
^^ So the 41 in the lower left sign on the first page won't be covered up?
Quote from: Big John on July 20, 2014, 05:59:21 PM
^^ So the 41 in the lower left sign on the first page won't be covered up?
Why would they? It just uses the general term "hwy", not Interstate.
It's been a while since I looked at the Zoo Interchange plans...I thought they were removing all left side exits? Or is that just a temporary sign?
^^ The current US 41 does not go that way. Being rerouted that way for interstate conversion.
That's a temporary sign
It will be years before the interchange is done - they're rebuilding bridges and interchanges in order to build the approaches now.
WisDOT has barely toched the Zoo Interchange itself, but they've been busy with various projects near it (i.e. This weekend's full I-94 closure to replace the railroad bridge near STH 100.
Some more zoo-related side projects / preparations ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2014/08August_12/20140812008plan.pdf nothing super interesting
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2014/08August_12/20140812012plan.pdf US-10 / US-41 / WI-441 interchange & bridge project
So, will Miller Park Way become WI 175 all the way to National Ave (WI 59) after all?
:hmmm:
BTW, in case anyone in here hasn't yet heard, I'm hosting a meet here in Appleton on Aug 16 (Saturday) to check out what's going on WRT US(I)-41, US 10, WI 29, WI 441, et al, both here and in the Green Bay area. See the Road Enthusiasts Meetings subforvm for more details on this.
:nod:
Mike
I thought they were going to be keeping WI-341 (currently unsigned, to be signed with this study/project http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/seregion/94stadiumint/index.htm ) between the stadium and National Ave.
Quote from: colinstu on July 21, 2014, 08:05:37 AM
I thought they were going to be keeping WI-341 (currently unsigned, to be signed with this study/project http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/seregion/94stadiumint/index.htm ) between the stadium and National Ave.
I don't think anyone really knows what's going on with STH 341. Some of the I-41 folks assume it will be STH 175, while others think 175 will merely replace US 41 to I-94. I'm guessing 175 will end at National Av. Makes sense.
Quote from: DaBigE on July 20, 2014, 07:47:18 PM
It's been a while since I looked at the Zoo Interchange plans...I thought they were removing all left side exits? Or is that just a temporary sign?
I think the example sign here that shows the left exit will be on the new ramps. If you look at the plans, the exit will first go off to the right from I-94, then split in the respective north and south directions. Plus, that sign to go north on I-41/US-45 has too many lane arrows. The current ramp is only one lane and certainly won't change until the interchange is done.
Quote from: colinstu on July 21, 2014, 08:05:37 AM
I thought they were going to be keeping WI-341 (currently unsigned, to be signed with this study/project http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/seregion/94stadiumint/index.htm ) between the stadium and National Ave.
When you look at all of the maps on their public involvement page, they all show the current numbering in place. Even US-41.
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/seregion/94stadiumint/public.htm
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 23, 2014, 02:05:48 PM
Quote from: colinstu on July 21, 2014, 08:05:37 AM
I thought they were going to be keeping WI-341 (currently unsigned, to be signed with this study/project http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/seregion/94stadiumint/index.htm ) between the stadium and National Ave.
When you look at all of the maps on their public involvement page, they all show the current numbering in place. Even US-41.
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/seregion/94stadiumint/public.htm
As I discussed before, those plans are for public informational presentations only. Current routes are shown to give the public a reference to where things are, while giving proposed route numbers may be too confusing to non-road geeks.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 23, 2014, 02:05:48 PM
Quote from: colinstu on July 21, 2014, 08:05:37 AM
I thought they were going to be keeping WI-341 (currently unsigned, to be signed with this study/project http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/seregion/94stadiumint/index.htm ) between the stadium and National Ave.
When you look at all of the maps on their public involvement page, they all show the current numbering in place. Even US-41.
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/seregion/94stadiumint/public.htm
huh? they show WI-341 being signed (which it currently isn't) http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/seregion/94stadiumint/docs/westlegdoubledeck.pdf
Of course that doesn't mean it necessarily would be when the project happens.
And in this plan they sign 41 North rather than 175. I wouldn't put too much credence into any signing on that PDF.
As a potential answer to the 341 vs 175 question for Miller Park Way (also one for the "I-41 project-get a picture before they cover it up" file), I drove southbound through the Stadium Interchange and saw a WI-341/END WI-175 sign just past the ramp to WB I-94. I didn't get a picture though.
WisDOT published it's latest batch of plans for this month, last Friday (Aug 1). Only seven plan sets are in this month's upload and nothing significant to note.
August (September) 2014 plans: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2014/09September_09/
FYI: The state took down all plans from 2012.
September is this year's annual "no let" month, new plan sets should be posted during the first week of October.
October (November) 2014 letting: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2014/11November_11/
Nothing spectacular, but there is a healthy number of signing sheets spread amongst the plan sets.
from that, interesting roundabout going in Burnett county ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2014/11November_11/20141111019plan.pdf
Larger weigh station in Douglas County too ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2014/11November_11/20141111015plan.pdf
Quote from: colinstu on October 15, 2014, 03:01:29 PM
from that, interesting roundabout going in Burnett county ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2014/11November_11/20141111019plan.pdf
I worked on that one...the airport restrictions made that project interesting.
November (December) 2014 plan sets: ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2014/12December_09/
The first plans for the southern half of the US 12 Baraboo bypass and the STH 67 rebuild near Oconomowoc are the big highlights this month.
My script controller pulled in these plans on Monday and the NTC retriever pulled in the NTC yesterday. I count 32 pattern-accurate sign panel detail sheets in all, and the distribution is pretty chunky: 7 sheets from call 20 and 6 sheets each from calls 15 and 16, with other projects having signs having between one to four sheets each. Quite a few of the signing sheets this month use SignCAD.
Quote from: J N Winkler on November 05, 2014, 12:24:21 PM
Quite a few of the signing sheets this month use SignCAD.
You'll be seeing a lot more
SignCAD in the future...eventually 100%. The signing and mapping units are migrating away from MicroStation now as well, and apparently the decision has been made that the signing unit will be moving to
SignCAD. Given that
SignCAD originates from neighboring Minnesota, I am not totally surprised.
Do you know if the SE office will retain their signing unit with this change or will Hill Farms (hopefully) take over?
While there has been some staffing changes with the Central Office signing group (additions/promotions/reorganizing), as far as I know, there are no plans on merging/disbanding the SE Region signing unit. The SE Region is busy enough to justify their own staff. Along with some personnel changes, the signing unit has moved from Hill Farms to the Truax WisDOT campus.
I'm resurrecting this thread to note that plans for the US 41 to I-41 conversion (Illinois state line to Green Bay) have been uploaded to the WisDOT server as late additions to the April 14 letting.
* Russell Road (last exit in Illinois) north to south county line of Dodge County (11201186):
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2015/04April_14/20150414021plan.pdf
This project includes sheets for small signs in Illinois that are carbon-copied from Standard Highway Signs since Illinois does not use the same standards as Wisconsin.
* South county line of Dodge County north to I-43 interchange (11330376):
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2015/04April_14/20150414022plan.pdf
Both of these are pure signing contracts, though they are not sign refurbishments as such since most large panel signs are being amended through overlays and shield or legend removal rather than being replaced outright. I count about 100 sign panel detail sheets.
I'm sure it's already been mentioned. But one of the interesting things I noticed in the signing plans is the wrong-way concurrency of I-41 and I-43. Looks like I-81 and i-77 in VA have company. :bigass:
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 31, 2015, 02:14:04 PM
I'm resurrecting this thread to note that plans for the US 41 to I-41 conversion (Illinois state line to Green Bay) have been uploaded to the WisDOT server as late additions to the April 14 letting.
* Russell Road (last exit in Illinois) north to south county line of Dodge County (11201186):
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2015/04April_14/20150414021plan.pdf
This project includes sheets for small signs in Illinois that are carbon-copied from Standard Highway Signs since Illinois does not use the same standards as Wisconsin.
* South county line of Dodge County north to I-43 interchange (11330376):
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2015/04April_14/20150414022plan.pdf
Both of these are pure signing contracts, though they are not sign refurbishments as such since most large panel signs are being amended through overlays and shield or legend removal rather than being replaced outright. I count about 100 sign panel detail sheets.
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 31, 2015, 02:14:04 PM
I'm resurrecting this thread to note that plans for the US 41 to I-41 conversion (Illinois state line to Green Bay) have been uploaded to the WisDOT server as late additions to the April 14 letting.
* Russell Road (last exit in Illinois) north to south county line of Dodge County (11201186):
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2015/04April_14/20150414021plan.pdf
This project includes sheets for small signs in Illinois that are carbon-copied from Standard Highway Signs since Illinois does not use the same standards as Wisconsin.
* South county line of Dodge County north to I-43 interchange (11330376):
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2015/04April_14/20150414022plan.pdf
Both of these are pure signing contracts, though they are not sign refurbishments as such since most large panel signs are being amended through overlays and shield or legend removal rather than being replaced outright. I count about 100 sign panel detail sheets.
Great information, thank you for sharing.
A few things that I find pretty interesting.
- Looks like US-41 is hidden when approaching and getting on the freeway. Most of the new signs show I-41/I-94 shields with US-41 absent.
- The reassurance signs, however, show US-41.
- Is US-41 being routed along I-94 through downtown Milwaukee, while I-41 follows the 894 bypass?
- Wisconsin really likes to sign Alternate Interstate routes, don't they?
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 02, 2015, 12:14:25 PM
- Is US-41 being routed along I-94 through downtown Milwaukee, while I-41 follows the 894 bypass?
No, US 41 is being rerouted in that area to the I-41 alignment.
Quote from: Big John on April 02, 2015, 12:29:05 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 02, 2015, 12:14:25 PM
- Is US-41 being routed along I-94 through downtown Milwaukee, while I-41 follows the 894 bypass?
No, US 41 is being rerouted in that area to the I-41 alignment.
I see that now, thanks.
Curious what will happen to the existing US-41 stretch north of Miller Park? Extend WI-341?
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 02, 2015, 12:46:54 PM
Quote from: Big John on April 02, 2015, 12:29:05 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 02, 2015, 12:14:25 PM
- Is US-41 being routed along I-94 through downtown Milwaukee, while I-41 follows the 894 bypass?
No, US 41 is being rerouted in that area to the I-41 alignment.
I see that now, thanks.
Curious what will happen to the existing US-41 stretch north of Miller Park? Extend WI-341?
WI 175 is being extended from the north.
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks, Big John.
That's going to be a mess of new signs to see! I'm in Chicago a few times a year, and might have to drive north to get some pictures.
Another thread revival, this time for the Zoo Interchange core contract:
ftp://ftp.dot.wi.gov/dtsd/hcci/plansandproposals/2015/09September_29/
WisDOT has been making draft plans available for ages, and the basic design concept (conversion of the existing directional interchange with left exits for left-turning movements to a full Maltese cross stack) has been known for even longer, so there are no huge surprises here. At 6928 sheets, however, the finished letting plans set beats the Marquette Interchange core contract by a good 2400 sheets and is probably WisDOT's thickest ever.
Never heard that term before (maltese cross stack)
will have to check these out when I'm home
video showing proposed interchange:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L0gtmRzgd8
one of the first "death diamonds" of WI.
why would you call it that?
Quote from: colinstu on August 04, 2015, 10:19:15 PM
why would you call it that?
You know the answer to your question.
They're safer than traditional diamonds and aren't hard to navigate once experiencing one.
I don't understand the fear & scare tactics surrounding them.
Frankly, I am disappointed that the new Wis 26 interchange would not be free flowing to allow for the Wis 26 freeway upgrade. I got no issue with DDIs in general but I don't like the choice of one here for future expansion.
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 06, 2015, 08:53:45 AM
Frankly, I am disappointed that the new Wis 26 interchange would not be free flowing to allow for the Wis 26 freeway upgrade. I got no issue with DDIs in general but I don't like the choice of one here for future expansion.
A free flowing interchange here would be unnecessarily expensive. There is one light north of this interchange before the freeway begins and it is hardly a hinderance.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 06, 2015, 12:31:21 PM
Again, why?
I know the "roadgeek default" is to build the biggest thing possible regardless of cost, but there are not significant traffic back ups at the two lights between I-30/90 and the freeway. (Earlier I said one...sorry).
Totally agree. There's no need at all for it - and to say it's then not "Full Freeway" to Janesville is arguing semantics.
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 07, 2015, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 06, 2015, 06:08:57 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 06, 2015, 01:03:37 PM
If the intent, which I believe it is by WisDOT, is to have Wis 26 as a freeway from Janesville to at least Waupun, then that kind of movement should happen. Plain and simple. Why put it off if they are going to rebuild the interchange? Just do it at once so you won't go back in 10 years to do it.
Who says that is their intent? I certainly don't see a cost effective way to bypass Johnson Creek for instance. Furthermore, as Geek Jedi says, if you are claiming that the WI-26 freeway doesn't go to Janesville, then you are simply arguing semantics. The freeway ends just south of Milton. Close enough really.
First of all, are there lights on 26 in Janesville north of 39/90? Yes. Freeways don't have lights. That's not semantics. That's being incomplete for 3 miles. Second, I said if it is their intent which I believe it is. That doesn't mean that is 100% good as gold. That is MY opinion.
Third, You can bypass Johnson Creek to the east by about a mile or so. Not as big a deal as you think it is.
http://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/Wis_26_Johnson_Creek_Bypass/GYrufS2SZ_
You said "If the intent, which I believe it is by WisDOT, is to have Wis 26 as a freeway from Janesville to at least Waupun..."
The current WI-26 freeway runs right along the limits of the City of Janesville prior to the light. It pretty much does what you believe WIDOT's intent is already.
But if their intent is to run the freeway to I-39, why haven't they done so either with the recently completed WI-26 upgrade or (apparently) with the huge I-39/90 project? They have had opportunities to address this intent, but have chosen not to do so.
Now in the future they may decide to do so if traffic warrants. But my guess is that they are going to wait until later to determine if it gets to that.
One of the DOT projects in my town I've been keeping close tabs on is the Stoughton Road (US 51) Corridor Plan. The plan will turn some intersections in interchanges, the ramp terminals at US 12/18 and State Highway 30 will become diverging diamonds, and more lanes will be added from Terminal Drive/Voges Road to about Rieder Road. Construction of the Preferred Alternative will not likely commence until maybe 2025 or 2030. I wish it could happen sooner, but I know the processes of road projects from planning to construction take many years. I am greatly interested in this project since my folks live not too far away from Stoughton Road, and use the road on a regular basis.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 07, 2015, 04:38:59 PM
One of the DOT projects in my town I've been keeping close tabs on is the Stoughton Road (US 51) Corridor Plan. The plan will turn some intersections in interchanges, the ramp terminals at US 12/18 and State Highway 30 will become diverging diamonds, and more lanes will be added from Terminal Drive/Voges Road to about Rieder Road. Construction of the Preferred Alternative will not likely commence until maybe 2025 or 2030. I wish it could happen sooner, but I know the processes of road projects from planning to construction take many years. I am greatly interested in this project since my folks live not too far away from Stoughton Road, and use the road on a regular basis.
IMHO, Stoughton Rd (US 51) in the Madison area is an interesting study in what the highway would have been 40-50 years ago had the interstates not been built.
Mike