Pointless Termini

[NE2]

Is 99 Business signed northbound in Pixley? I can't see any signs on street view.

[agentsteel53]

Is 99 Business signed northbound in Pixley? I can't see any signs on street view.

hasn't been in years.  the last 'BUSINESS' banner, which was white and once had a US-99 shield under it, vanished sometime around 2006.

[NE2]

OK, so you can't really call that a terminus, since it would logically be signed right on Court and left on Park.

[WillWeaverRVA]

one of the more idiotic terminate-in-a-cul-de-sac roads is the business "loop" of 99 through Pixley, CA:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pixley+CA&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=30.323858,68.466797&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Pixley,+Tulare,+California&ll=35.974412,-119.294368&spn=0.003777,0.008358&t=h&z=17

yeah, you try getting back onto the freeway northbound there. 

Noticed something about this. I've never seen "END" (and nothing else) on a nondescript diamond warning sign before until now:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pixley+CA&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=30.323858,68.466797&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Pixley,+Tulare,+California&t=h&ll=35.974536,-119.294716&spn=0.002466,0.005681&z=18&layer=c&cbll=35.974536,-119.294716&panoid=DTltWoPApkpNjPqIuRpMHw&cbp=12,1.16,,0,3.57

[agentsteel53]

Noticed something about this. I've never seen "END" (and nothing else) on a nondescript diamond warning sign before until now:

it is a standard sign in California. 

[Chicagosuburban]

I-83 in Baltimore
The fact that I-39 ends in Wausau, WI even though the freeway doesn't end...the same can be said about I-43 in Green Bay
I-294 ends while it's duplexed with I-80. Why not just end at I-80?
The fact that IL-25 and IL-71 end in opposite directions at nearly the same place. Why not make it all the same number?
The fact that I-290 ends at I-90 even though the freeway doesn't end...and it's already with IL-53
The fact that I-64 and I-44 both end in St. Louis when they should just be the same number

[kharvey10]

IL 48 and IL 127 western terminus at I-55, with both IL 48 and IL 127 multiplex for 7 miles.  The best part, its a signed wrong way multiplex with IL 48 going North and IL 127 going South - and you're going due east.

I-44 and I-64 should had been implemented as a same number from day 1 - almost all St. Louisans still refer that certain section of I-64 as "Highway 40" -- almost 25 years after MoDOT got the first permission. 

Eastern terminus of I-64 in Hampton Roads could had been redone

IL 111 southern terminus - it could had been realigned along State Street in East St. Louis to end at I-255 or down Lake Road to end at IL 157 or IL 163.

[deathtopumpkins]

Eastern terminus of I-64 in Hampton Roads could had been redone

How?

The idea has been discussed countless times but no one can ever agree on a proper ending, as no matter how you do it you would either cause one city to lose a 2di, create a situation where a 2di exits itself (which would probably warrant some pointless interchange reconstruction), create random arbitrary beginnings of 3dis, create a new example of an interstate looping around counter to its signed directions (just with a 3di instead of a 2di), or all of the above.

Actually, don't answer this, it's been beaten to death enough already in Fictional Highways, this isn't the place.

[Chicagosuburban]

I-27 in Lubbock...like why couldn't that just be a spur of I-40?

[agentsteel53]

even more so than that is I-97.  apparently, I-995 was taken ... and I-83, well, Baltimore's ability to build freeways is needed is kinda suboptimal.

[Brandon]

I-27 in Lubbock...like why couldn't that just be a spur of I-40?

My question is why wasn't it extended toward the south and east to connect Amarillo and Lubbock with the rest of Texas?

[froggie]

My question is why wasn't it extended toward the south and east to connect Amarillo and Lubbock with the rest of Texas?

Indeed...a connection to I-20 at Midland, Big Spring, or Sweetwater would/should have been easily done.

[texaskdog]

My question is why wasn't it extended toward the south and east to connect Amarillo and Lubbock with the rest of Texas?

Indeed...a connection to I-20 at Midland, Big Spring, or Sweetwater would/should have been easily done.

I would angle it toward Abilene instead

[froggie]

Going to Sweetwater basically covers that, plus would have had the benefit of utilizing an already-existing corridor (US 84).

[nyratk1]

But as for other pointless termini; New York State Routes 105 & 106 at each other in North Bellmore! NY 106 should end in Bellmore at either NY 27 or Merrick Road, and NY 105 should either end at NY 24 or NY 102 in Hempstead.

Reminded me of one more pointless termini on LI: NY 347's western termini at the Northern State after a short-ish multiplex with NY 454. I know why I was signed like that -- because of old plans that never came to pass but it serves little purpose nowadays. Have its terminus at 454.

[texaskdog]

Going to Sweetwater basically covers that, plus would have had the benefit of utilizing an already-existing corridor (US 84).

Oops thats what I meant.  Shame on me for messing up Texas geography.

[NE2]

The reason I've seen for ending I-27 in Lubbock is that none of the three corridors south of Lubbock are busy enough to need a full freeway. Here's a map showing what's been four-laned (green). Look at the routes from Lubbock to San Antonio vs. Austin. You could take either US 87 or US 84 as part of a route to either, but it seems that each one is more direct for what are really two relatively close destinations. At each one has other destinations tied to it - 87 (or 62/385) to Midland, 84 to Abilene, 84 (or 82) to Dallas...

[texaskdog]

The reason I've seen for ending I-27 in Lubbock is that none of the three corridors south of Lubbock are busy enough to need a full freeway. Here's a map showing what's been four-laned (green). Look at the routes from Lubbock to San Antonio vs. Austin. You could take either US 87 or US 84 as part of a route to either, but it seems that each one is more direct for what are really two relatively close destinations. At each one has other destinations tied to it - 87 (or 62/385) to Midland, 84 to Abilene, 84 (or 82) to Dallas...

Less than Lubbock to Amarillo?

[Fleetwood Mac Attack]

Lots of mentions of Delaware and no mention of US 202 in New Castle County? Heading south from Pennsylvania, US 202 hits I-95, where it is multiplexed with I-95 through Wilmington while DE-202 continues (pretty poorly signed) into downtown Wilmington. US 202 is then multiplexed with DE-141 SB near New Castle until (I believe) it terminates at US 13/US 40 - while DE 141 continues. I suppose this is to have US 202 end at a US route, but that could easily be achieved by simply routing it through downtown Wilmington to hit US 13...

[jwolfer]

US 23 in Jacksonville.  It is multiplexed with US1 all the way from Alma, GA into Jax.  It goes on its own for a couple miles into downtown Jax.  Truncate it at Alma.  No one even acknowledges US23.  Thru Callahan and Hilliard FL the street sign blades only  say US 1 and I have never heard anyone call it US1 and 23. Just US 1

[Chicagosuburban]

The fact that a bunch of state routes end just on the outskirts of Chicago (or in nearby suburbs) even though the roads that they are on continue deep into Chicago. Why can't they just go into Chicago and end there? (IL-1, IL-7, IL-21, IL-38, and US-34)

[Brandon]

The fact that a bunch of state routes end just on the outskirts of Chicago (or in nearby suburbs) even though the roads that they are on continue deep into Chicago. Why can't they just go into Chicago and end there? (IL-1, IL-7, IL-21, IL-38, and US-34)

They were removed in the Great Purge back in the 60s.  Rich Carlson has a bit about that on his webpage.

[ftballfan]

The fact that a bunch of state routes end just on the outskirts of Chicago (or in nearby suburbs) even though the roads that they are on continue deep into Chicago. Why can't they just go into Chicago and end there? (IL-1, IL-7, IL-21, IL-38, and US-34)

They were removed in the Great Purge back in the 60s.  Rich Carlson has a bit about that on his webpage.

I wonder why IL-19, IL-43, IL-50, and IL-64 still go into Chicago. IL-72 also looks like it could have gone farther into Chicago at one point.

[Brandon]

The fact that a bunch of state routes end just on the outskirts of Chicago (or in nearby suburbs) even though the roads that they are on continue deep into Chicago. Why can't they just go into Chicago and end there? (IL-1, IL-7, IL-21, IL-38, and US-34)

They were removed in the Great Purge back in the 60s.  Rich Carlson has a bit about that on his webpage.

I wonder why IL-19, IL-43, IL-50, and IL-64 still go into Chicago. IL-72 also looks like it could have gone farther into Chicago at one point.

I'm guessing that IDOT was judicious in which routes they kept and which they turned back.  64 is nowhere near an expressway, and 19 seems to serve a similar purpose.  43 and 50 cross through the city to points north and south.  I'd have to check the old maps, but IIRC, 72 did go further previously.  IDOT also replaced 55 with 56 west of where they met (22nd St is still a state route though).  And they got rid of 65 between Naperville and Aurora.

[1995hoo]

US-211 used to extend all the way into DC, multiplexed with US-29 for the whole route east of Warrenton. It made no sense and evidently the powers that be agreed, as in 1980 it was truncated to end in Warrenton. But the terminus is still strange: It ends at the intersection with US-15/29/211 Business (in front of what used to be Joe Jacoby's car dealership) instead of extending to meet the US-15/17/29 bypass. Instead, the interchange with the bypass is served by US-211 Business. Seems strange to have the regular routing end to the west like that when there is no US-211 Bypass in the Warrenton area.