Numbered Streets that do not have all the numbers

Started by roadman65, December 31, 2011, 07:58:16 PM

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roadman65

Living in Orlando, FL we have numbered streets that have no low numbers, but start strangely at 29 and go higher.  Incidently the Orange County, FL lockup is on 33rd Street so is called by that particular name.

Irvington, NJ has a 40th Street that is a stand alone street with no other numbers at all except for numbered avenues running east to west in another part of town and near the Irvington/ Newark border there is the last of Newark's numbering scheme that continues across the line into its suburb.
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All east-west streets in Davenport, IA have numbers except for the streets south of 1st Street and the named streets between 18th St and 29th St.
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hobsini2

The city of Chicago's current lowest number is 8th St. 10th St, 12th St and 22nd St don't exist anymore. 10th never existed. 12th is now Roosevelt Rd and 22nd is now Cermak Rd. 39th St is also called Pershing Rd but still is locally refered to as 39th. Same with 55th St (Garfield Blvd) and 63rd St (Marquette Blvd).  Here is a historical map of Chicago in 1910. Notice that 8th, 9th, and 11th have different names on the historical map. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chi1900/G4104-C6-1910-R3-N.html
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TheStranger

Daly City, California has a small grid of streets from 87th to 92nd Streets that doesn't correspond to a longer number sequence.
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The High Plains Traveler

A system that I've observed in some Canadian cities is to have the main downtown streets be 100th Avenue and 100th Street, then go up and down from there. In smaller cities, they might start with 50th. This would appear to be a system imposed through name changes since the original development of the city.
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hobsini2

Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on December 31, 2011, 10:00:32 PM
A system that I've observed in some Canadian cities is to have the main downtown streets be 100th Avenue and 100th Street, then go up and down from there. In smaller cities, they might start with 50th. This would appear to be a system imposed through name changes since the original development of the city.
Salt Lake City UT is is like that.
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OracleUsr

So's Greensboro, NC.  You have 14th and 16th St. and that's it.
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huskeroadgeek

Some cities replace what would be 1st Street with Main Street or some other commonly named street and start numbering with 2nd Street. I've also found that some primarily rural counties that number their county roads do so starting with some seemingly arbitrary number other than 1.

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The LA Grid from 1st to 266th Sts often has many streets renamed, e.g. 100th St renamed Century Blvd.
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Brandon

Quote from: hobsini2 on December 31, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
The city of Chicago's current lowest number is 8th St. 10th St, 12th St and 22nd St don't exist anymore. 10th never existed. 12th is now Roosevelt Rd and 22nd is now Cermak Rd. 39th St is also called Pershing Rd but still is locally refered to as 39th. Same with 55th St (Garfield Blvd) and 63rd St (Marquette Blvd).  Here is a historical map of Chicago in 1910. Notice that 8th, 9th, and 11th have different names on the historical map. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chi1900/G4104-C6-1910-R3-N.html

22nd does very much exist.  Outside the city, we don't use the name "Cermak", and 55th and 63rd are very much in use.
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Quote from: Brandon on January 01, 2012, 05:44:46 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 31, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
The city of Chicago's current lowest number is 8th St. 10th St, 12th St and 22nd St don't exist anymore. 10th never existed. 12th is now Roosevelt Rd and 22nd is now Cermak Rd. 39th St is also called Pershing Rd but still is locally refered to as 39th. Same with 55th St (Garfield Blvd) and 63rd St (Marquette Blvd).  Here is a historical map of Chicago in 1910. Notice that 8th, 9th, and 11th have different names on the historical map. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chi1900/G4104-C6-1910-R3-N.html

22nd does very much exist.  Outside the city, we don't use the name "Cermak", and 55th and 63rd are very much in use.

Marquette Rd is more like a route - it traversed 66th and 67th streets and is signed as Marquette Rd on both.  55th is signed Garfield only between MLK and Western; the rest in the city is signed as 55th.  We always called it 55th because that is what is was by us.  Marquette was called Marquette.  Pershing was called 39th or Pershing.  Probably because on the south side, we were accustomed to numbers on E-W streets unlike the north side.   

Brendan

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Thompson, CT's grid starts and ends at First Street. (Though Main St. could count as Street 0.)
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Queens has mostly numbered avenues and streets (and roads, drives, and places...), but they were imposed post hoc in the 1920's onto preexisting streets across the borough. As a result of this, you have streets increasing from west to east and avenues increasing from north to south, but there is by no means a continuous orderly grid.

The numbers, of course, go roughly by coordinates, but since the "grid" is higgledy-piggledy it jumps around. Walking up Broadway (no, not that Broadway), one will start at 11th Street and then pass intersections with 12th, 14th, 21st, 23rd, Crescent, 29th, 30th, and 31st Streets (beyond there the sequence is mostly intact). Along Astoria Boulevard one will jump straight from 49th Street to 70th Street at a spot where two different askew grids intersect.
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Kent County, MI has a number grid with 28th, 36th, 44th, etc. with 0 being Fulton St. However, the lowest number is 26th and many numbers are skipped beyond that.

roadman65

Quote from: huskeroadgeek on January 01, 2012, 02:25:56 AM
Some cities replace what would be 1st Street with Main Street or some other commonly named street and start numbering with 2nd Street. I've also found that some primarily rural counties that number their county roads do so starting with some seemingly arbitrary number other than 1.

Plainfield, NJ has a Front Street instead of a First Street.  I believe Philadelphia is the same way.  Does, NYC have a First Street? I think there is a small one near Houston Street.
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hobsini2

Quote from: Brandon on January 01, 2012, 05:44:46 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 31, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
The city of Chicago's current lowest number is 8th St. 10th St, 12th St and 22nd St don't exist anymore. 10th never existed. 12th is now Roosevelt Rd and 22nd is now Cermak Rd. 39th St is also called Pershing Rd but still is locally refered to as 39th. Same with 55th St (Garfield Blvd) and 63rd St (Marquette Blvd).  Here is a historical map of Chicago in 1910. Notice that 8th, 9th, and 11th have different names on the historical map. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chi1900/G4104-C6-1910-R3-N.html

22nd does very much exist.  Outside the city, we don't use the name "Cermak", and 55th and 63rd are very much in use.
Quote from: Brendan on January 01, 2012, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 01, 2012, 05:44:46 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 31, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
The city of Chicago's current lowest number is 8th St. 10th St, 12th St and 22nd St don't exist anymore. 10th never existed. 12th is now Roosevelt Rd and 22nd is now Cermak Rd. 39th St is also called Pershing Rd but still is locally refered to as 39th. Same with 55th St (Garfield Blvd) and 63rd St (Marquette Blvd).  Here is a historical map of Chicago in 1910. Notice that 8th, 9th, and 11th have different names on the historical map. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chi1900/G4104-C6-1910-R3-N.html

22nd does very much exist.  Outside the city, we don't use the name "Cermak", and 55th and 63rd are very much in use.

Marquette Rd is more like a route - it traversed 66th and 67th streets and is signed as Marquette Rd on both.  55th is signed Garfield only between MLK and Western; the rest in the city is signed as 55th.  We always called it 55th because that is what is was by us.  Marquette was called Marquette.  Pershing was called 39th or Pershing.  Probably because on the south side, we were accustomed to numbers on E-W streets unlike the north side.   

Brendan
If you notice how i worded it, 39th, 55th and 63rd are all mentioned as KEEPING their numbers. Also I said within the city of Chicago as far as 22nd goes. 22nd officially is Cermak Rd at the Cook Co/Du Page Co Line in Oak Brook.
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Springfield, MO seems to have an East 11th Street with no other numbered streets anywhere else in the city.

Counties, as mentioned, frequently use numbers that start higher than 1. McClain County, OK, for example, starts at 100th Street on the south county line and increases by 10 for every mile north of that. I assume part of the reason of this is to avoid conflicting with towns, which may well number their streets 1st, 2nd, etc.
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Quote from: hobsini2 on December 31, 2011, 10:02:05 PM
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on December 31, 2011, 10:00:32 PM
A system that I've observed in some Canadian cities is to have the main downtown streets be 100th Avenue and 100th Street, then go up and down from there.
Salt Lake City UT is is like that.
Hmm, I see what you're saying, but Salt Lake is not exactly like that.  In the majority of Utah communities (not just Salt Lake), the roads are referred to not by their ordinal numeral, but rather by their block number (that's why they're in the hundreds).  For example, a road that's 5 blocks west of a town's "Main St." or "State St." will be called "500 West" (meaning, "this road marks the beginning of the 500 block").  In some towns, an alternate name for that same road would be "5th St West", but no one would refer to it as "500th Street West".
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Does anyone know of a town that intentionally skipped 13th Street?
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empirestate

Quote from: roadman65 on January 01, 2012, 07:05:44 PM
Does, NYC have a First Street? I think there is a small one near Houston Street.

Yes, there is an East 1st Street. It shows an interesting aspect of Manhattan's street grid, arguably the world's most famous, which is that it has no tangible origin point. Most numbered grids progress from a readily apparent point, such as the center of town, or a particular thoroughfare, or a boundary of some kind. Manhattan's, on the other hand, just starts there in the East Village wherever happenstance seemed to dictate.

jwolfer

Quote from: roadman65 on December 31, 2011, 07:58:16 PM
Living in Orlando, FL we have numbered streets that have no low numbers, but start strangely at 29 and go higher.  Incidently the Orange County, FL lockup is on 33rd Street so is called by that particular name.

Irvington, NJ has a 40th Street that is a stand alone street with no other numbers at all except for numbered avenues running east to west in another part of town and near the Irvington/ Newark border there is the last of Newark's numbering scheme that continues across the line into its suburb.

Going north out of downtown Jacksonville there is 1st through somewhere in the 50s or 60s. ( the addresses at 1st street are 1000 block so 8th st is the 1800 block)  Then in Southwest Jacksonville there is a cluster of numbered streets around 103rd St.  there is 101st, 105th, 118th and 120th.  But not too many others.  I saw an old map of Jax that showed Wilson Blvd as (aka 78th st). I dont know if this was a plan to have a grid like other Florida cities with the 103rd cluster being the SW quadrant.  But the addresses dont match the block number at all. 

roadfro

Sparks, NV has 1st through 21st Streets with the following exceptions:
* 8th St is Pyramid Way (SR 445)
* 17th St is Rock Blvd

Las Vegas, NV has 1st through 30th Streets downtown (the numbers above 17 are much less substantial, though) with the following exceptions:
* 2nd Street was renamed Casino Center Blvd
* 5th Street was renamed Las Vegas Blvd (although 5th St is a major arterial in North Las Vegas once Las Vegas Blvd turns more northeast)
* 12th Street is Maryland Pkwy


Quote from: usends on January 02, 2012, 12:51:04 PM
Does anyone know of a town that intentionally skipped 13th Street?

Reno's street system does not have a 13th St. North of 10th street, numbered streets aren't really in a grid pattern due to residential development and the UNR campus, so it's hard to distinguish whether 13th never existed or has since been renamed.
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Duke87

Quote from: roadman65 on January 01, 2012, 07:05:44 PM
Does, NYC have a First Street?

It has eight, actually: E. 1st Street in Manhattan, 1st Street in Queens, 1st Street in Staten Island, 1st Street in Brooklyn, N. 1st Street in Brooklyn, S. 1st Street in Brooklyn, W. 1st Street in Brooklyn, and E. 1st Street in Brooklyn.

Yes, there are five different 1st Streets in Brooklyn.

Want more confusion? The Bronx has both a Third Avenue and a 3rd Avenue, and they are not the same street. In fact, they are on opposite sides of town.
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WillWeaverRVA

While not numbered streets, Richmond, VA has east-west lettered streets that begin at M Street and go up from there. The letters stop at Y Street; there is no Z Street. The streets south of M Street had letter names at one time but lost them at some point for no apparent reason. For example, Leigh Street was L Street, Clay Street was K Street, etc. The lettered streets currently only exist in the east end (Church Hill).


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Also for no apparent reason, M, N, and O lost their names at some point (M was Mason, N was Nelson, O was Otis); the streets from P to Y have never had normal names.

As an interesting aside, the numbered streets in southside Richmond used to have names when it was the city of Manchester; those streets lost their names when Manchester merged with Richmond, giving Richmond two sets of numbered streets (north-south north of the James; east-west south of it).
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