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Non-Insterstate Tolled Routes

Started by nds76, February 19, 2012, 01:52:03 PM

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nds76

Are there any tolled US routes or state routes? Or are tolls reserved for interstates only?


Duke87

There are tons of toll roads that are state routes or not even. Just look at Florida.

Can't offhand think of a US highway that's on a toll road, though, unless we count tolled bridges.
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roadman65

Quote from: Duke87 on February 19, 2012, 02:03:25 PM
There are tons of toll roads that are state routes or not even. Just look at Florida.

Can't offhand think of a US highway that's on a toll road, though, unless we count tolled bridges.
US 412 in Oklahoma is one.  As long as it has a toll free alternate route, it can be.  In the case of US 412 there, you have US 64 as its other alternative.

US 51 near Rockford, IL is part of the North-West Tollway and it does have another free route that parallels it.
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Scott5114

US 412 actually manages to be tolled twice in Oklahoma: once as part of the Cimarron Turnpike and again further east as part of the Cherokee. The Cimarron is paralleled by US 64, as roadman65 mentioned, but the Cherokee is paralleled by US 412 Scenic, which is old US 412, which is old OK 33.
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Takumi

There are a bunch of tolled state routes in Virginia, but one that stands out to me is VA 146, which has no tolls, but cannot be driven without paying a toll, because both routes that connect to it (VA 76 and VA 195) both have tolls.
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The Addison Airport Toll Tunnel in North Texas has the distinction of not being on a numbered highway or a bridge. Instead, it is a road tunnel to save people from driving around an airport.

Stephane Dumas

Wasn't some of the Illinois toll roads referred once as "Toll US-41" or "Toll US-20" in some road maps in the late 1950s-early 1960s?

In Canada, currently we got Hwy-407 around Toronto with its electronic toll system. Some of the Quebec autoroutes like A-10, A-15/Laurentian autoroute, A-13 and A-40 was former toll roads. Then the Confederation bridge is a tolled gap of a spur of the Trans-Canada highway linking New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island.

hbelkins

Quote from: nds76 on February 19, 2012, 01:52:03 PM
Are there any tolled US routes or state routes? Or are tolls reserved for interstates only?

All of Kentucky's former toll roads, except for I-65's Kentucky Turnpike section, were state routes with secret unposted numbers in the 9000 series.

In Pennsylvania, there's Toll PA 43 and Toll PA 66. Portions of PA 60 were toll before it was changed to I-376.
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bugo

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 19, 2012, 02:25:24 PM
US 412 actually manages to be tolled twice in Oklahoma: once as part of the Cimarron Turnpike and again further east as part of the Cherokee. The Cimarron is paralleled by US 64, as roadman65 mentioned, but the Cherokee is paralleled by US 412 Scenic, which is old US 412, which is old OK 33.

How long was old 33 actually US 412?  It couldn't have been more than a couple of years between the time 412 was extended and the Cherokee was built.

I drove through there way back in the early 90s when the Cherokee was first built.  The turnpike ended at US 59.  The part from Flint to Kansas was not opened yet.  I'm not sure how long this setup existed.  412 was signed along what is now 59/Scenic 412 and exited onto the turnpike at Kansas. 

empirestate

Toll highways in general predate the Interstate system, so there's definitely no requirement that they be Interstates (in fact, at one time Interstate were intended only to be free roads).

Assuming that we overlook toll bridges and tunnels, then yes, you'll find many examples of non-Interstate toll roads. On the NY Thruway system, for example, you have three segments that are not Interstates: on the Berkshire Spur between I-87 and I-90, the Garden State Parkway connector between that road in NJ and I-87/287, and a short piece near Albany, again between I-87 and I-90 (though to me that's really just part of an interchange; it's just that the gap in Interstate designations happens to fall on the main line instead of on ramps). These all have reference route designations, but not posted highway numbers.

Of course, the Garden State Parkway itself is a non-Interstate toll road in NJ, along with the non-I-95 parts of the NJ Turnpike...in fact, I'm quite sure you'll find many more toll roads that aren't Interstates than those which are.

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I can think of very few non-bridge/tunnel tolled roads in the UK. Obviously there's the M6 Toll, London Congestion Charge (or is that a tax?) and Durham Congestion Charge (basically a toll for traffic to the city centre - it's a no through area with only one entrance, one exit and very narrow streets and little parking, so they don't want cars there).

There's a couple like this - a toll road that leads almost exclusively to a free car park. Similarly, the Studland Motor Road leads inescapably to a 'free' ferry. All the examples of these technically-paying-for-the-road-but-really-paying-for-something-else I can think of are on the Isle of Purbeck (not a real island). There's also this tolled private road that bypasses a 1 in 3 hill on the A39 - and the road to the north (not as flat, narrower but still not as bad as the A39) is tolled so people can't use that one to beat the tolls and the hill.

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Quote from: Takumi on February 19, 2012, 02:58:32 PM
There are a bunch of tolled state routes in Virginia, but one that stands out to me is VA 146, which has no tolls, but cannot be driven without paying a toll, because both routes that connect to it (VA 76 and VA 195) both have tolls.

No, but VA-146 is administratively part of the RMA Downtown Expressway.  It is the east leg of the delta interchange between Powhite Parkway, Downtown Expressway, and I-195.  The local ramps on VA-146 are not tolled, because their traffic will involve an RMA mainline toll plaza.

The west leg of the delta interchange is administratively part of the VA-76 Powhite Parkway.

The north leg of the delta interchange is administratively part of I-195.
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Kacie Jane

Washington still has no toll roads, per se, and up until about four years ago, had no tolls at all.  However, they've now added tolls on three highways, none of them interstates:

  • Tacoma Narrows Bridge (SR 16)
  • SR 167 HOT lanes
  • SR 520 Bridge

Brandon

Quote from: Duke87 on February 19, 2012, 02:03:25 PM
There are tons of toll roads that are state routes or not even. Just look at Florida.

Can't offhand think of a US highway that's on a toll road, though, unless we count tolled bridges.

US-412 in Oklahoma (Cherokee Tpk & Cimmaron Tpk)
US-51 in Illinois (with I-39/90 - Northwest Twy)
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dfilpus

North Carolina's only toll road is the recently opened NC 147 Toll. NC 147 has both free and toll segments. In the next year, NC 540 Toll will open, converting part of what is free to Toll with new construction all being tolled. NC has two more toll roads under development: the US 74 bypass of Monroe and the Garden Parkway. In 2019, NC is due to toll I 95.

huskeroadgeek

I thought US 36 may have been the first US route to be tolled with the Denver-Boulder Turnpike, but it seems as though US 36 wasn't extended over the route until the tolls were removed.

bugo

There used to be a toll US 80 in Savannah, but it was before I moved there.

OracleUsr

Speaking of Georgia, you can't forget GA 400 between I-85 and I-285.

Or VA 168 south of the Hampton Roads area.

And, of course, DE 1 in parts is a toll road.
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All of the tolled routes in Southern California are state routes (i.e., , ).  In Northern California, all of the bridges are tolled in one direction, and many include / (Golden Gate), (Hayward-San Mateo), (Dumbarton), (Antioch), and (Rio Vista Ferry).

Like in Washington, I believe California is implementing HOT lanes.  They already exist on and , but I think they're planning on installing them on .
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KEVIN_224

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Until the 1980s, CT Route 15 was a toll road. The Fairfield County section was/is the Merritt Parkway. The New Haven County section until the US Route 5 merge in Meriden (beginning the Berlin Turnpike) was/is the Wilbur Cross Parkway. The last toll in this state was in the spring of 1989. That was for the old Charter Oak Bridge spanning the Connecticut River between Hartford and East Hartford. That bridge came down when the current span replaced it during the early 1990s.

That complimented I-95 from Greenwich to Waterford and I-395 north from there to the MA state line (then CT Route 52), which made up the Connecticut Turnpike. That road was also tolled well into the 1980s.

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E- 470 near Denver, Colorado, though it's technically not a state highway, but maintained by the toll authority.
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nds76

In Michigan we have the Mackinac Bridge that is tolled on I-75 then there there are the Canadian border crossings at the International Bridge at the north end of I-75 in Sault Ste. Marie, then the Bluewater Bridge at the end of I-69 in Port Huron and the Ambassador Bridge in Detroit. Then we have the Detroit/Windsor Tunnel that is tolled but we have no toll roads.

Scott5114

Quote from: bugo on February 19, 2012, 04:19:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 19, 2012, 02:25:24 PM
US 412 actually manages to be tolled twice in Oklahoma: once as part of the Cimarron Turnpike and again further east as part of the Cherokee. The Cimarron is paralleled by US 64, as roadman65 mentioned, but the Cherokee is paralleled by US 412 Scenic, which is old US 412, which is old OK 33.

How long was old 33 actually US 412?  It couldn't have been more than a couple of years between the time 412 was extended and the Cherokee was built.

It wasn't very long. The Cherokee was actually built as part of the same late-80s compromise that got the Kilpatrick and Creek Turnpikes built. Rural legislators would only agree to the urban turnpikes if they could have the dangerous section of 412 bypassed by a turnpike. The Chickasaw Turnpike was also built as part of this compromise but ended up getting pared back to what it is now for cost reasons.
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Quote from: empirestate on February 19, 2012, 04:20:18 PMOf course, the Garden State Parkway itself is a non-Interstate toll road in NJ, along with the non-I-95 parts of the NJ Turnpike...in fact, I'm quite sure you'll find many more toll roads that aren't Interstates than those which are.
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Quote from: Takumi on February 19, 2012, 02:58:32 PM
There are a bunch of tolled state routes in Virginia, but one that stands out to me is VA 146, which has no tolls, but cannot be driven without paying a toll, because both routes that connect to it (VA 76 and VA 195) both have tolls.
How about VA 267 from McLean to outside of Leesburg.

Quote from: KEVIN_224 on February 19, 2012, 07:03:04 PM
Until the 1980s, CT Route 15 was a toll road. The Fairfield County section was/is the Merritt Parkway. The New Haven County section until the US Route 5 merge in Meriden (beginning the Berlin Turnpike) was/is the Wilbur Cross Parkway. The last toll in this state was in the spring of 1989. That was for the old Charter Oak Bridge spanning the Connecticut River between Hartford and East Hartford. That bridge came down when the current span replaced it during the early 1990s.

That complimented I-95 from Greenwich to Waterford and I-395 north from there to the MA state line (then CT Route 52), which made up the Connecticut Turnpike. That road was also tolled well into the 1980s.
IIRC, CT deep-sixed ALL their tolls in response to a chain-reaction accident that occurred at a CT Turnpike involving a semi colliding with a toll plaza around 1983-85(?).  A higher gas tax replaced the tolls since then.
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KEVIN_224

The toll booth disaster was on I-95 in Stratford, back in 1983. Later that same year, the Mianus River bridge collapsed in Greenwich, also on I-95. I think a major step-up in the state's bridges and roads soon helped raise the gas tax.



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