OpenStreetMap

[NE2]

I just signed up and made a few changes, hope they will stick. 

What's your account name?

It's jdb1234. Looks good (though it would have been more correct to change the railway to abandoned).

[jdb1234]

I just signed up and made a few changes, hope they will stick. 

What's your account name?

It's jdb1234. Looks good (though it would have been more correct to change the railway to abandoned).

I did not know that.  Any way to change a road to abandoned?

[NE2]

You could set highway=abandoned, but it's not really useful for a simple ramp (just like former transfer tracks don't normally get mapped as abandoned railways).

[NE2]

Is there a way or anything in development to use OSM for routing? A big part of what I use Google Maps for is to compare two possible routes, and with Google's accuracy in the gutter now I'd really like to use OSM instead.

Note that driving times will likely be fairly useless on any router using OSM data until more speed limits are entered. Distances should be better, but may be too high in counties where the TIGER data sucks and hasn't yet been improved.

[edit]A couple more routers: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Routing/online_routers
I don't know how good they are about adding intermediate points.
Another problem you'll probably find for state highways is that in some areas they don't connect properly at county lines (TIGER import issue). When this happens you won't be able to get the router to use the highway.

[empirestate]

I joined a few days ago as NateOMatic. I spent a while cleaning up TIGER streets in my part of the Bronx, and made a couple other spot changes; cleaned up the Parksville bypass on NY 17 today.

Another area I've been working on is Ketchikan, AK...I've been there several times and it has a lot of unique mappable features: a tunnel, boardwalks & stair streets, etc. Turns out the first step is to move the whole city over several meters to line up with the aerials (from what I could read, it's the TIGER data that's mis-aligned, not the aerials). But it's a neat city, and one that I've always wanted to see accurately mapped (and it never has been, to my knowledge). Fortunately there are several sources and references at my disposal...

[NE2]

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-July/063420.html
If the map starts to look like shit soon, the OSMF board is to blame.

[vtk]

We are expecting to begin on
_Wednesday_ (9th July) assuming a couple of final setup details are
completed by then.

Which day?

Edit: oh, I see now he meant the 11th.  I'm not accustomed to reading discussions with only one message visible at a time like that...

[Compulov]

I've discovered a problem with the way Mapquest (and at least one other routing engine -- OSRM) are handling routes onto freeways using OSM data. Here's an example (ignore that this is a stupid trip): http://mapq.st/MgoyRr

Basically, the routing engine is trying to make you make a left turn onto a ramp that you can't turn left onto, rather than having you take the proper loop on NJ-33. I've discovered this bug also rears its head at the interchange for PA-332 on I-95. It has you turn left onto the ramp going northbound rather than take the loop to 95N on the right.

So, my question is this: is this something that needs to be corrected in OSM, or is this something that the people who maintain the routing engines need to fix? I'd be more than happy to fix this in OSM if need be. I was guessing that the ramp (or the intersection) needed to be flagged as no left turn, but I didn't want to go in and start mucking with it if that wasn't the right way to do it.

[NE2]

You could add a turn restriction, and for something like this that's more complicated than a simple cloverleaf, it makes a lot of sense. Cloverleaves do seem to be handled properly, so no need to add a turn restriction everywhere.

PA 332? I'm tempted to say that's a problem with the router, but you could add a turn restriction there too.

[vtk]

You could add a turn restriction, and for something like this that's more complicated than a simple cloverleaf, it makes a lot of sense. Cloverleaves do seem to be handled properly, so no need to add a turn restriction everywhere.

Something I've wondered for a while now is what to do with a turn that's technically permitted, but silly because another path is preferable in practice...

[realjd]

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-July/063420.html
If the map starts to look like shit soon, the OSMF board is to blame.

Why are they redacting changes? What license change are they talking about?

[vdeane]

I wish we could add turn restirctions in driver's heads.  On NY 342 west at I-81, traffic is supposed to use the loop ramp to I-81 south, but almost everyone ignores the signage and makes a left turn onto the ramp from NY 342 east to I-81 south.  I swear I'm the only person to use the loop ramp like NYSDOT intended!

[Compulov]

I wish we could add turn restirctions in driver's heads.  On NY 342 west at I-81, traffic is supposed to use the loop ramp to I-81 south, but almost everyone ignores the signage and makes a left turn onto the ramp from NY 342 east to I-81 south.  I swear I'm the only person to use the loop ramp like NYSDOT intended!

Did they add that loop later on? The interchange *looks* like you should make a left there (ignoring the obvious ramp to the right..). NYSDOT should have put an island or at least painted a ramp line to make it more obvious. This interchange looks a lot like the PA-332/I-95 interchange I mentioned above, but in that case the ramp on the left is curved such that it's extremely awkward to make a left turn, so it's obvious you need to go right. The interchange between I-17 and AZ-74 was recently upgraded to add a loop, but it looks like ADOT left the dual left turn lanes there as well. Not sure why. </offtopic>

[Alps]

You could add a turn restriction, and for something like this that's more complicated than a simple cloverleaf, it makes a lot of sense. Cloverleaves do seem to be handled properly, so no need to add a turn restriction everywhere.

Something I've wondered for a while now is what to do with a turn that's technically permitted, but silly because another path is preferable in practice...

Like the identical ramps at US 29/I-70?

[NE2]

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-July/063420.html
If the map starts to look like shit soon, the OSMF board is to blame.

Why are they redacting changes? What license change are they talking about?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Help_preparing_for_the_license_change (read this as pro-change propaganda)

Florida will have minimal damage. There are a few roads in Palm Bay that will disappear. There's still time to dig those holes and fill them in.

[agentsteel53]

yay! progress sucks! getting shit done is for chumps! let's waste tons of effort on inane legalities!  heil AIG!

[vdeane]

I wish we could add turn restirctions in driver's heads.  On NY 342 west at I-81, traffic is supposed to use the loop ramp to I-81 south, but almost everyone ignores the signage and makes a left turn onto the ramp from NY 342 east to I-81 south.  I swear I'm the only person to use the loop ramp like NYSDOT intended!

Did they add that loop later on? The interchange *looks* like you should make a left there (ignoring the obvious ramp to the right..). NYSDOT should have put an island or at least painted a ramp line to make it more obvious. This interchange looks a lot like the PA-332/I-95 interchange I mentioned above, but in that case the ramp on the left is curved such that it's extremely awkward to make a left turn, so it's obvious you need to go right. The interchange between I-17 and AZ-74 was recently upgraded to add a loop, but it looks like ADOT left the dual left turn lanes there as well. Not sure why. </offtopic>

No idea.  That thing's gonna be obsolete in a month and a half anyways (I'm surprised this interchange isn't being rebuilt as part of the I-781 construction; at the very least they should eliminate the dangerous weave on the lane from I-781 west to NY 342!).  The traffic light at NY 342 and US 11 will also need to be reconfigured.

[NE2]

Oh gee. Assholes banned me from talk-us.

[Scott5114]

Oh gee. Assholes banned me from talk-us.

Why, whatever for?

[NE2]

I'm currently arguing with someone who decided to add the business route letters to Texas... http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.3394&lon=-94.7259&zoom=14&layers=Q

[Bickendan]

What's with I-40 just east of the NM/TX line?

[NE2]

What's with I-40 just east of the NM/TX line?

It's got at-grades with ranch access roads.

[vtk]

Oh gee. Assholes banned me from talk-us.

You do have a tendency to give the outward appearance of dismissing other people's opinions too quickly.  In a collaborative project like OpenStreetMap, I can see how that can irk people.  That you were banned doesn't particularly surprise me.  Disclaimers: I am not taking sides in any argument you may have been in recently, and I am not saying I agree with the moderator's action of banning you; frankly, I am not sufficiently informed on either matter.

[Bickendan]

What's with I-40 just east of the NM/TX line?

It's got at-grades with ranch access roads.

Huh. I thought only I-10 in Hudspeth County had that distinction.

[NE2]

What's with I-40 just east of the NM/TX line?

It's got at-grades with ranch access roads.

Huh. I thought only I-10 in Hudspeth County had that distinction.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=35.22783,-102.862566&spn=0.007817,0.016512&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=35.228068,-102.862628&panoid=3tQQ4EfLi_B-n_-q7bMmBA&cbp=12,158.62,,0,7.6

lOl texas

Personally I'm curious how these got grandfathered in, and why they can't do the same on I-69 in southeast Texas.