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Started by cjk374, December 13, 2012, 04:39:44 PM

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Quote from: doofy103 on December 18, 2012, 09:31:18 PM
Only in CT where they detest the shared center turn lane.

Hartford has installed several lately, as on Locust Street: http://goo.gl/maps/YhQdC
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vdeane

In NY I've only seen "not trucks/buses/trailers left lane" on the Thruway; I can't remember if it appears downstate or not.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

PHLBOS

Quote from: deanej on December 19, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
In NY I've only seen "not trucks/buses/trailers left lane" on the Thruway; I can't remember if it appears downstate or not.
I believe such signs exist along I-684 and protions of I-287 (CWE section); I'll be passing through there later tonight so I can confirm.
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roadman

Had forgotten about signs for the late 1980s I-95/128 interchange project (which was also referred to as the "Task A" contract).

Thanks for the clarification.
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Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 19, 2012, 09:15:38 AM
Quote from: myosh_tino on December 19, 2012, 03:20:21 AM
If I'm not mistaken, California also uses "DO NOT PASS" signs instead of the pennant-shaped "NO PASSING ZONE".


there's places in CA which use both.

Seen them both in CT as well.  DO NOT PASS is black lettering on white background.

QuoteOnly in CT where they detest the shared center turn lane.

Hartford has installed several lately, as on Locust Street: http://goo.gl/maps/YhQdC

Seen them on East Main St. in Meriden too west of I-91/CT 15.  Always called them "suicide lanes"

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Roadsguy

PA uses DO NOT PASS where it's not obvious, or where you used to be able to pass but can't anymore.

For example: Academy Road in Philadelphia north of Woodhaven. It has DO NOT PASS signs in the two-lane area. It was restriped with a parking lane sometime since 1970 (Historic Aerials jumps from 1970 to 2000s).

Another example: rural two-lane roads where you could shortly pass into the opposing traffic. Some have been removed around where I am because of bad sight distance.
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Quote from: roadman65 on December 19, 2012, 09:17:51 AM
I do not know if this is only in one state, being New Jersey, but it seems to me that the Garden State has a law written into the books that prohibits trucks in the left lane on carriageways with three or more lanes.

I know NY, CT, and even FL now have them on three or more laned freeways, but New Jersey seems to implement them on arterials as well.  It leads me to believe that it is law, but then it could be a guide.

Anyway, it seems that NJ is the only state, that I have seen, that has this particular default based on this observation.  In Florida, six lane freeways are new as to most states as many have had (and still do have) four lane freeways statewide up until the 1980's or around.  Some had small urban sections built in the 70s and I believe that in Pennsylvania, I-81 between PA 581 and I-83 was the first section in the commonwealth to have a six lane freeway.


Add to that the portion of I-35 in Texas between Temple and San Antonio that has been three-laned.

MrDisco99

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 20, 2012, 12:42:35 AM
Seen them on East Main St. in Meriden too west of I-91/CT 15.  Always called them "suicide lanes"

Down here in GA and AL people use them as merge lanes.  :banghead:

agentsteel53

Quote from: MrDisco99 on December 20, 2012, 09:57:03 AM

Down here in GA and AL people use them as merge lanes.  :banghead:

that's not legal?  I'd always assumed it was, because here in CA the behavior is universal.  in order to make a left turn onto the arterial with the shared center lane, one first cuts across half the lanes, stops in the center lane, and then waits for a moment to join traffic going in the intended direction.

it allows what would otherwise be a next-to-impossible turn to do all at once to be achieved in segments.
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roadman65

Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 20, 2012, 10:20:57 AM
Quote from: MrDisco99 on December 20, 2012, 09:57:03 AM

Down here in GA and AL people use them as merge lanes.  :banghead:

that's not legal?  I'd always assumed it was, because here in CA the behavior is universal.  in order to make a left turn onto the arterial with the shared center lane, one first cuts across half the lanes, stops in the center lane, and then waits for a moment to join traffic going in the intended direction.

it allows what would otherwise be a next-to-impossible turn to do all at once to be achieved in segments.
That is why many places are removing the center turn lane and replacing them with medians.  It makes one do a right out, but can crossover at the first median break and uturn.

What is really the thing is some drivers cannot tell the difference between a bi directional turn lane and a typical left turn only lane.  Places where it alternates from a center turn lane to at intersection left turn lanes, has people driving the wrong way in the way the lane is striped.  In Orlando, before Orange Blossom Trail was widened from four to six lanes, at the Central Florida Parkway intersection the center turn lane stopped way before the lane became exclusive Northbound for left turn at the signalized intersection.  Just south of the intersection on the east side was a Ford dealer that eventually moved up the road to a better location, but had an exclusive left turn lane when it was in operation.  Many northbound motorists would permaturely get into the center turn lane almost one half mile before the start of the Central Florida Parkway left turn lane and ride the turn lane like it was a general purpose lane and ride NB in the SB left turn lane for the Ford dealer.  My dad, once gotten into the turn lane to the auto dealer to turn into it, when a careless driver was heading NB down the middle of the road almost colliding with my dad.

One thing is if the left turn only lane reaches capacity and the back log has no choice but to occupy the previous center turn lane, but at this time motorists were using it as a "third lane" to pass other motorists, especially when the left lane protected left was activated.  Now a median has been added and the car dealer is gone, and if it was still there, a u turn would be needed now.

These lanes, basically outlived their time in many places.
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agentsteel53

Quote from: roadman65 on December 20, 2012, 10:54:27 AMride the turn lane like it was a general purpose lane

Quoteusing it as a "third lane" to pass other motorists

these two practices do not seem legal.  here I had thought the turn lane was meant for stopped traffic waiting to finish a left turn (either onto, or off of, the arterial). that's how I always use it, spending no more than a few dozen feet in the middle lane for deceleration when turning off the arterial, and little more than the space occupied by the car when waiting for a break in arterial traffic.
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Brandon

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 20, 2012, 12:42:35 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 19, 2012, 09:15:38 AM
Quote from: myosh_tino on December 19, 2012, 03:20:21 AM
If I'm not mistaken, California also uses "DO NOT PASS" signs instead of the pennant-shaped "NO PASSING ZONE".


there's places in CA which use both.

Seen them both in CT as well.  DO NOT PASS is black lettering on white background.

Michigan uses both as well as PASS WITH CARE.  You have to be able to find the passing zones when the snow covers the pavement.
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Quote from: MrDisco99 on December 20, 2012, 09:57:03 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 20, 2012, 12:42:35 AM
Seen them on East Main St. in Meriden too west of I-91/CT 15.  Always called them "suicide lanes"

Down here in GA and AL people use them as merge lanes.  :banghead:

They do the same around Chicago
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tdindy88

Also with Michigan, the white box that has the left-turn arrow on it that is suspended over the intersection. The boxes also read "Wrong Way" or "One Way" if it is needed. There is also the left turn traffic signal with a smaller white box reading "Left" over it. Both of these I've ONLY seen in Michigan.

vdeane

Quote from: PHLBOS on December 19, 2012, 01:14:38 PM
Quote from: deanej on December 19, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
In NY I've only seen "not trucks/buses/trailers left lane" on the Thruway; I can't remember if it appears downstate or not.
I believe such signs exist along I-684 and protions of I-287 (CWE section); I'll be passing through there later tonight so I can confirm.
Depending on which definition of "downstate" you use, I-684 may or may not count (the most common is I-84 for roadgeeks; I think my parents use an imaginary line running from the NY/PA border near Binghamton to the MA/CT border).  The Cross Westchester has been a part of the Thruway since the 90s.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

roadman65

Someone in another thread pointed out how Virginia signs its county borders.  I believe this is the only place where I have seen the county being exited get noted with the new county entering.

Then, if I remember in Texas, for San Antonio it has the City Limits on I-37 marked as you leave, but it is signed the same way as you enter, and it did confuse me a bit.  I could be wrong as maybe I-37 does re-enter the historic city again on route to Corpus Christi.

These are the only places I have seen a place marked as leaving except on the Garden State Parkway leaving NJ and on I-70 leaving CO at the KS border.
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Rover_0

I could be wrong, and someone may have pointed it out earlier in this thread, but Utah may be the only state to have used more than 2 distinct state route shield variations in the last decade. I can think of 4 widely-used sheilds; 3 are here:



And the "puffy cloud" variant:

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tdindy88

Quote from: roadman65 on December 20, 2012, 02:23:23 PM
Someone in another thread pointed out how Virginia signs its county borders.  I believe this is the only place where I have seen the county being exited get noted with the new county entering.

Indiana does this statewide and I know I've seen county lines signed this way in Ohio, though I'm not sure if it's statewide, may very well be.

agentsteel53

are those all official variants?  I can name all kinds of strange California concoctions, but most of them are done by contractors.
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Quote from: Rover_0 on December 20, 2012, 02:38:55 PM
I could be wrong, and someone may have pointed it out earlier in this thread, but Utah may be the only state to have used more than 2 distinct state route shield variations in the last decade. I can think of 4 widely-used sheilds; 3 are here:

Georgia exhibits this phenomenon too - I touched on this in a post a while back.  Jake brings up a good point that they could be contractors' fault, though I feel like I've seen quite a bit of this variety.

kphoger

Quote from: Brandon on December 20, 2012, 11:14:16 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 20, 2012, 12:42:35 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 19, 2012, 09:15:38 AM
Quote from: myosh_tino on December 19, 2012, 03:20:21 AM
If I'm not mistaken, California also uses "DO NOT PASS" signs instead of the pennant-shaped "NO PASSING ZONE".


there's places in CA which use both.

Seen them both in CT as well.  DO NOT PASS is black lettering on white background.

Michigan uses both as well as PASS WITH CARE.  You have to be able to find the passing zones when the snow covers the pavement.

I believe this subtopic started out with DO NOT PASS being used on the left side of the roadway, not the right side.  It's a little hard for me to believe that the additional instances put forth since then are the same way.

Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 20, 2012, 10:20:57 AM
Quote from: MrDisco99 on December 20, 2012, 09:57:03 AM

Down here in GA and AL people use them as merge lanes.  :banghead:

that's not legal?  I'd always assumed it was, because here in CA the behavior is universal.  in order to make a left turn onto the arterial with the shared center lane, one first cuts across half the lanes, stops in the center lane, and then waits for a moment to join traffic going in the intended direction.

it allows what would otherwise be a next-to-impossible turn to do all at once to be achieved in segments.

Try driving in Branson without doing that maneuver....

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Quote from: tdindy88 on December 20, 2012, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 20, 2012, 02:23:23 PM
Someone in another thread pointed out how Virginia signs its county borders.  I believe this is the only place where I have seen the county being exited get noted with the new county entering.

Indiana does this statewide and I know I've seen county lines signed this way in Ohio, though I'm not sure if it's statewide, may very well be.

Kentucky did it that way (on black-on-white signs) until the early 1970s.

North Carolina does this off the interstates. "Welcome To XXX County, Leaving YYY County"
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Quote from: tdindy88 on December 20, 2012, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 20, 2012, 02:23:23 PM
Someone in another thread pointed out how Virginia signs its county borders.  I believe this is the only place where I have seen the county being exited get noted with the new county entering.

Indiana does this statewide and I know I've seen county lines signed this way in Ohio, though I'm not sure if it's statewide, may very well be.

Here's one in Dennison...


I feel like these signs are very demanding. As if they are telling you to leave one county, and enter the other.
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Quote from: tdindy88 on December 20, 2012, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 20, 2012, 02:23:23 PM
Someone in another thread pointed out how Virginia signs its county borders.  I believe this is the only place where I have seen the county being exited get noted with the new county entering.

Indiana does this statewide and I know I've seen county lines signed this way in Ohio, though I'm not sure if it's statewide, may very well be.

This is standard for state-maintained conventional roads all across Ohio.  Freeways and expressways only tell you what county you're entering.
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

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Oklahoma uses "JCT" signs on freeways:




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