AASHTO Numbering Changes--November 20, 2014

[NE2]

Regarding the NJ/PA 95 - Withdrawn - What was actually withdrawn? 

We don't know.

[hbelkins]

TN US641 - extended from I-40 to US64 (45 miles)

Gag. At least perhaps it makes this highway more relevant, but I've always been in favor of doing away with it entirely. I've called it USeless 641 for years.

[NE2]

TN US641 - extended from I-40 to US64 (45 miles)

Gag. At least perhaps it makes this highway more relevant, but I've always been in favor of doing away with it entirely. I've called it USeless 641 for years.

Maybe it would make more sense on SR 22 south of Paris, but it's a reasonable corridor heading south from Paducah and Evansville through some mid-sized towns in Tennessee and past some recreational areas. It's certainly less useless than US 62 or US 460 in eastern Kentucky.

[Don'tKnowYet]

Regarding the NJ/PA 95 - Withdrawn - What was actually withdrawn? 

I went to the Spring Meeting for other purposes.  Rumor has it that NJDOT and PennDOT want to essentially change their minds.  I don't know for what reason exactly, but the new application i think carries 295 all the way up around to 276.  I also think that the new appplciation could have taken 295 up to US 1 and then a new Interstate will be designated from US 1 to 276.  I don't know though.  i couldn't pinpoint the exact problem or the exact solution with who I talked to.

Regardless, the problem with AASHTO allowing them to even consider changing their minds was suspect.  The original approval was conditionally approved on the basis that it get built, not conditional on the possibility of NJ and PA changing their minds.  Some discussion in my group of peers wondered why the Renumbering Committee even exists.

[NE2]

Some discussion in my group of peers wondered why the Renumbering Committee even exists.

To approve US 400 and deny the relocation of US 49W between Yazoo City and Silver City.

[jeffandnicole]

Regarding the NJ/PA 95 - Withdrawn - What was actually withdrawn? 

I went to the Spring Meeting for other purposes.  Rumor has it that NJDOT and PennDOT want to essentially change their minds.  I don't know for what reason exactly, but the new application i think carries 295 all the way up around to 276.  I also think that the new appplciation could have taken 295 up to US 1 and then a new Interstate will be designated from US 1 to 276.  I don't know though.  i couldn't pinpoint the exact problem or the exact solution with who I talked to.

Regardless, the problem with AASHTO allowing them to even consider changing their minds was suspect.  The original approval was conditionally approved on the basis that it get built, not conditional on the possibility of NJ and PA changing their minds.  Some discussion in my group of peers wondered why the Renumbering Committee even exists.

I figured it probably had something to do with the numbering situation between 295's Exit 60 & I-276, but couldn't find anything in print.

I've also heard - mostly thru forum posts - that this particular stretch could become 395.

I'm fine with AASHTO changing their minds...after all, it's a rubber stamp approval for a number change years down the road.   Nothing is set in stone.  People, things and thoughts change, and after considering the possible alternatives, 195 may not be the best routing number for the route.

[NE2]

Some discussion in my group of peers wondered why the Renumbering Committee even exists.

For a more serious answer, it makes sense to have a "gatekeeper" that ensures that changes are well-defined and don't result in discontinuous routes. Unfortunately this doesn't actually happen.

[Don'tKnowYet]

Some discussion in my group of peers wondered why the Renumbering Committee even exists.

Allow me to be more clear.  Let FHWA serve that function for Interstates and remove AASHTO as the middle man for that.  Let AASHTO rubber stamp the States' decisions for US Routes.  I mean, for something like US 9, why can't NJDOT and NYSDOT just get together and do anything they wanted to do (I'm ignoring DelDOT sicne they (not the road) don't count in my mind) without AASHTO.  Or, if NJDOT wanted to do something with US 46, why does AASHTO need to be involved at all?  It appears to be a more useless than more useful committee.

[02 Park Ave]

The continuation of the I-295 designation around to the I-276 (which would also be to the I-95) is most logical.  It also solves any potential redesignation concerns as the I-295 would actually return to its parent.

[NJRoadfan]

Meanwhile, NJDOT still hasn't submitting anything regarding re-routing US-9 over the GSP across Great Egg Harbor Bay.

[froggie]

Curious what the USBR 1 realignment in Virginia entails, as well as the routing of USBR 11 in Maryland.

[NE2]

Curious what the USBR 1 realignment in Virginia entails

http://www.virginiadot.org/programs/united_states_bicycle_route_1_and_76_in_virginia.asp
In addition to the obvious new route around Fort Belvoir, there's a realignment between Independent Hill and Occoquan that includes a stretch on Prince William Parkway. It's possible the 'bypass' away from the Alexandria waterfront was also included. (Also note that officially, according to what was initially approved, USBR 1 followed SR 400.)

as well as the routing of USBR 11 in Maryland.

http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/local/new-national-bicycle-route-to-coming-to-washington-county/article_e2a226fe-5fb7-52ce-ad1b-674aaf79957b.html

It's already been added to OSM.

[PHLBOS]

The continuation of the I-295 designation around to the I-276 (which would also be to the I-95) is most logical.  It also solves any potential redesignation concerns as the I-295 would actually return to its parent.

IIRC, when it was decided that I-95 would use the PA Turnpike & Connector after the interchange was constructed; that was indeed the original redesignation plan.

However, in 2007, it was decided that I-95/295 would ultimately become an extension of I-195.  The reasoning likely stemmed from issues associated with a north-south route becoming a south-north route and making I-295 an east-west route between I-195 and the PA State line was probably viewed as a non-starter.

The rumor that I-95/295 would now ultimately become I-395 is more logical and involves making less changes to mile markers & exit numbers (particularly along I-195 in NJ).  Nonetheless, I would've chosen I-695 instead; but the same basic principle still applies.

[US71]

Now up http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRN%20Report%20to%20SCOH%20AM2014.pdf

AR US63 BUS - new route in Hardy, and relocation of US63

AGAIN?

[NE2]

Now up http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRN%20Report%20to%20SCOH%20AM2014.pdf

AR US63 BUS - new route in Hardy, and relocation of US63

AGAIN?

Why again? This is the first time that's being submitted to AASHTO.

[Tom958]

The US 19/129 Relocation in Georgia...

It begins at the intersection of State Route 11/U.S
19/129 and State Route 515/U.S. 76, southwest of the
city of Blairsville traveling southeast of the city of
Blairsville on an existing roadway beginning southwest
in the city traveling northeast, bypassing the town
square and then proceeding southeast. The focal point
city is Blairsville and the route is 1.13 miles ending at
the intersection of State Route 11/U.S. 19/129 and the
Glenn Gooch Bypass southeast of the city.

...makes no sense to me, and I've traveled through Blairsville plenty of times, and within the last couple of years. If I had to guess, I'd say that this is what they're trying to describe.

[NE2]

Yeah, the directions are all cocked up. But what the Goog calls Industrial Boulevard is in fact the Gooch Bypass.

[TheStranger]

Looking at that map of Blairsville, I'm a bit surprised that the new bypass routing for 19/129 doesn't include Pat Haralson Memorial Drive (which reduces the slight go-south-to-go-north segment in the western part of town that is created by the current reroute).

[US71]

Now up http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRN%20Report%20to%20SCOH%20AM2014.pdf

AR US63 BUS - new route in Hardy, and relocation of US63

AGAIN?

Why again? This is the first time that's being submitted to AASHTO.

It's at least 5 years late, then. There has been a Hardy Bypass for several years, unless AHTD has bypassed the Bypass?

[NE2]

Looking at that map of Blairsville, I'm a bit surprised that the new bypass routing for 19/129 doesn't include Pat Haralson Memorial Drive (which reduces the slight go-south-to-go-north segment in the western part of town that is created by the current reroute).

That would save only 1/10 mi and probably require improvements.

[nexus73]

Why has SR 210 not been renumbered as I-210 in California?

Rick

[Pete from Boston]

Now up http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRN%20Report%20to%20SCOH%20AM2014.pdf

AR US63 BUS - new route in Hardy, and relocation of US63

AGAIN?

Why again? This is the first time that's being submitted to AASHTO.

It's at least 5 years late, then. There has been a Hardy Bypass for several years, unless AHTD has bypassed the Bypass?

I drove it in 2007, so at least 7 years late.

Nice rock cuts.

[bugo]

AR US63 BUS - route eliminated in Jonesboro

I wonder if the road is being decommissioned or renumbered as a state highway? It would make a dandy AR 463 extension (the goog shows it as 463).

TN US641 - extended from I-40 to US64 (45 miles)

Funny, but I was looking at a Tennessee map a couple of days ago and thinking it should be extended to at least US 412.

HB: Is US 641 a little bit less "useless" now?

[hbelkins]

Maybe a little bit less useless, but I'm still not convinced it's a major enough route on the national scale to warrant inclusion in a national interstate (little i) system.

[rschen7754]

Why has SR 210 not been renumbered as I-210 in California?

Rick

Or I-15, I-905...