Orange Pavement Markings?

[txstateends]

Strange, definitely.  Was wondering though, how reflective it is at night, especially since it is temp striping.

Something else caught my eye....the 5th Flickr-pic down (sorry, I'm not where I have full pic/graphics capability right now) has a construction-diamond sign showing how wide the lanes in the construction zone are (11' wide).  Is this a local/state DOT thing in WI, or is it a new national MUTCD addition I'm not familiar with?  Either way, I kinda like it.  I could probably name a few previous construction projects where having that kind of signage might have helped at least somewhat.

[iBallasticwolf2]

Ontario has been doing this for years. I like it actually.

Some pictures of the 417 construction related to the LRT construction in eastern Ottawa:


Easterly view from the Belfast Road overpass


Easterly view along the 417 towards the new pedestrian overpass from the Vanier Parkway overpass


Westerly view towards the Rideau River bridge from the Vanier Parkway overpass

Also on Queen Elizabeth Way
https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.298029,-79.796821,3a,75y,335.6h,89.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2naz193sz1GVoryDdyLiaw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D2naz193sz1GVoryDdyLiaw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D100%26h%3D80%26yaw%3D103.53382%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656

[SSOWorld]

Previous discussion: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14127.msg2024483#msg2024483

I just drove through that experiment Saturday (looks like Scott and I may have just missed each other driving the 94 corridor).   Its second (third?) paint iteration looks as ugly as when I first saw it this past winter. They are having a horrible time keeping the orange colorfast, as it's mostly looking yellow now. However, one section (maybe just re-done?) was such a deep orange, it almost looked red.

And as Scott's second link points out, it's to make the construction zone stand out more overall, not just for the winter months. (As if all the orange barrels and signs aren't enough of a clue.)

There was a presentation on this experiment at our ITE workshop this past spring, and the state marking engineer said that the suppliers are still trying to perfect the orange color. The second round of the public survey was more positive than the first time they surveyed folks just after the orange was first put down back in December.

I knew there was a topic out there...



Merged... (text color delibrate )

[SSOWorld]

Strange, definitely.  Was wondering though, how reflective it is at night, especially since it is temp striping.

Something else caught my eye....the 5th Flickr-pic down (sorry, I'm not where I have full pic/graphics capability right now) has a construction-diamond sign showing how wide the lanes in the construction zone are (11' wide).  Is this a local/state DOT thing in WI, or is it a new national MUTCD addition I'm not familiar with?  Either way, I kinda like it.  I could probably name a few previous construction projects where having that kind of signage might have helped at least somewhat.

The Max-width sign is standard, the "Each Lane" part - why???? cause some people don't "get it"

[DaBigE]

The EACH LANE has become a very recent WisDOT standard, mainly for oversized load routes. The rationale comes from oversized load truckers getting confused as to exactly how much room they have to operate, since the MAX WIDTH signs are generally placed far in advance of a construction zone. Without the plaque, some truckers assumed that the whole roadway has, in this example, 11-feet of width, meaning that a 13-foot wide load would not fit and would have to turn detour. This way, they have an idea that there are multiple concurrent lanes that are 11-feet wide, meaning that the 13-foot load could still pass thru.

[roadfro]

Something else caught my eye....the 5th Flickr-pic down (sorry, I'm not where I have full pic/graphics capability right now) has a construction-diamond sign showing how wide the lanes in the construction zone are (11' wide).  Is this a local/state DOT thing in WI, or is it a new national MUTCD addition I'm not familiar with?  Either way, I kinda like it.  I could probably name a few previous construction projects where having that kind of signage might have helped at least somewhat.

The Max-width sign is standard, the "Each Lane" part - why???? cause some people don't "get it"

That must be a State standard sign. I can't seem to find that max width sign in the MUTCD construction sign section. Seems like a good idea to make a national standard for use with narrow lanes.

[Scott5114]

I wish we would make it a standard to require thermoplastic tape for temporary markings. Using paint for it makes the new road covered in gouges from paint removal before it's even been fully completed. If tape is used it comes off cleaner and you can actually enjoy a pristine road surface for a while.

[cl94]

I wish we would make it a standard to require thermoplastic tape for temporary markings. Using paint for it makes the new road covered in gouges from paint removal before it's even been fully completed. If tape is used it comes off cleaner and you can actually enjoy a pristine road surface for a while.

Depends on how long-term the work is. If it extends through the winter, you can't use thermoplastic up north because of snow. Short-term thermoplastic also deforms quite easily. I care more about how easily the markings can be understood in all types of weather than how it looks when complete.

[Scott5114]

This is a decent point, but here, we don't have such a problem. In fact, all of the obliterated markings make it difficult to tell where the real ones are in some cases.

But then again, why am I expecting anything from OkDOT? You would have thought I'd learned after 20 years.

[vdeane]

On the recently widened/reconstructed sections of Thruway between exits 23-24 and 39-40, the "temporary" markings in what is now the shoulder are STILL fully visible.  It's one of the ugliest things I've ever seen.  For a while, the "temporary" lane markings were fully visible too, giving the road TWO sets of pavement lines that contradicted each other.

Ideally, completed construction should look so seamless that one can't even tell the road was ever in a different condition.

[1995hoo]

I've seen gouges that look like regular lines in the late afternoon sun. I hate it when that happens. The regular road users usually know where the correct lines are, but it's a crapshoot which "lines" the out-of-towners will follow.

[SignGeek101]

I didn't know Europe (specifically Switzerland) also used orange for construction zones:

https://goo.gl/maps/AKFA79mn5xA2

[jakeroot]

I didn't know Europe (specifically Switzerland) also used orange for construction zones:

https://goo.gl/maps/AKFA79mn5xA2

I could be wrong, but I think that's where Ontario got the idea from in the first place.

[cbeach40]

I didn't know Europe (specifically Switzerland) also used orange for construction zones:

https://goo.gl/maps/AKFA79mn5xA2

I could be wrong, but I think that's where Ontario got the idea from in the first place.

Per the MTO policy on Fluorescent Orange Temporary Pavement Markings (2011), "The concept has been applied by many European countries such as Germany and the Netherlands."

[cl94]

I didn't know Europe (specifically Switzerland) also used orange for construction zones:

https://goo.gl/maps/AKFA79mn5xA2

I could be wrong, but I think that's where Ontario got the idea from in the first place.

Per the MTO policy on Fluorescent Orange Temporary Pavement Markings (2011), "The concept has been applied by many European countries such as Germany and the Netherlands."

It certainly works. Orange markings ups the "seriousness" level. I drive through a construction zone with orange lines in Ontario more cautiously than one without, as do other drivers. It's a lot harder to miss orange paint on the road than an orange sign that might be hidden by traffic or missed due to conditions.