New Jersey Turnpike

[1995hoo]

I presume they also figure anyone wanting the Parkway would have stayed on the Turnpike to Exit 11, though that's not necessarily valid for people wanting to go south on the Parkway.

[Alps]

I presume they also figure anyone wanting the Parkway would have stayed on the Turnpike to Exit 11, though that's not necessarily valid for people wanting to go south on the Parkway.

GSP has never been signed anywhere but Exit 11. So anyone using 10 to get to the GSP already knows it's there, which means they probably know how to get there, so they don't need a sign. If you're clueless enough that you can't get to the GSP via 440, then you'd be going to the signed Parkway at 11.

[NJRoadfan]

Raritan Center has always appeared on NJDOT signs in the area. A new one went up recently on the exit from US-9 south to NJ-440 South. The old Industrial Ave. exit is now just signed "Raritan Center". Whats funny is NJDOT just replaced the sign to reflect the name change to Riverside Dr. Google has all three in street view.

https://goo.gl/maps/ddrG1NfHvmz

It was replaced when they replaced their other "oops", finally NJ-440 is signed north/south there: https://goo.gl/maps/oEfGAKiFbUG2

Note the backplates, they live.

[Pete from Boston]

As expected, the old button copy sign bridge past the Exit 10 toll plaza has been replaced:



Good to see that 440's direction is signed correctly, but those CR-514 shields are atrocious.

I love that there is this movement of eliminating the New Jersey standard of the circle/oval within a black rectangle/square because it's allegedly too hard on the mushy brains of confused out-of-staters, but now suddenly a county route marker, where this practice is all but unheard of, is put up within a yellow square.

[ixnay]

storm2k, I did notice just now that GSV just last month showed County 514 west signed for Highland Park/Raritan Center, but wasn't 514 west signed for Bonhamtown a few years ago?

ixnay

It was, but Raritan Center is a better choice. No one knows where Bonhamtown is, but a lot of traffic goes to Raritan Center.

I don't disagree with the re-signing, but FWIW...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonhamtown,_New_Jersey

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bonhamtown,+Edison,+NJ+08837/@40.523442,-74.359843,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c3c9d33b55595f:0xab4119b3b7d6028a

ixnay

P.S.  The reason I brought up Bonhamtown was because seeing that toponym always makes me think of this guy... http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bonhabi01.shtml (I'm a Phillies fan [yes that's a team with as checkered a history as the North Siders'] but Bonham pitched for the Cubs early in my sports fandom when CHC was in the Phils' division, which is why [besides the name's alliteration] his name sticks in my mind)

P.P.S. And when looking up *Bill* Bonham, I came across an earlier Bonham... http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bonhati01.shtml

[Duke87]

I love that there is this movement of eliminating the New Jersey standard of the circle/oval within a black rectangle/square because it's allegedly too hard on the mushy brains of confused out-of-staters, but now suddenly a county route marker, where this practice is all but unheard of, is put up within a yellow square.

Smells to me like an image editing error. The yellow background was supposed to be set to transparent, but it wasn't.

[storm2k]

I love that there is this movement of eliminating the New Jersey standard of the circle/oval within a black rectangle/square because it's allegedly too hard on the mushy brains of confused out-of-staters, but now suddenly a county route marker, where this practice is all but unheard of, is put up within a yellow square.

Smells to me like an image editing error. The yellow background was supposed to be set to transparent, but it wasn't.

No, this is pretty standard practice (or, at least it used to be) for NJDOT. As US and state routes have black backings for their shields, county routes have yellow ones.

[storm2k]

storm2k, I did notice just now that GSV just last month showed County 514 west signed for Highland Park/Raritan Center, but wasn't 514 west signed for Bonhamtown a few years ago?

ixnay

It was, but Raritan Center is a better choice. No one knows where Bonhamtown is, but a lot of traffic goes to Raritan Center.

I don't disagree with the re-signing, but FWIW...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonhamtown,_New_Jersey

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bonhamtown,+Edison,+NJ+08837/@40.523442,-74.359843,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c3c9d33b55595f:0xab4119b3b7d6028a

ixnay

P.S.  The reason I brought up Bonhamtown was because seeing that toponym always makes me think of this guy... http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bonhabi01.shtml (I'm a Phillies fan [yes that's a team with as checkered a history as the North Siders'] but Bonham pitched for the Cubs early in my sports fandom when CHC was in the Phils' division)

P.P.S. And when looking up *Bill* Bonham, I came across an earlier Bonham... http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bonhati01.shtml

No one calls it that anymore, really. It's really just Edison over there. Unincorporated names within larger townships still exist in a lot of places, but I find that it's tied much more to either a strong identity or having their own ZIP code (e.g., Iselin and Colonia, which are both part of Woodbridge Twp, but have their own post offices so those names survivie much more easily. Same with Martinsville in Bridgewater Township).

[Alps]

I love that there is this movement of eliminating the New Jersey standard of the circle/oval within a black rectangle/square because it's allegedly too hard on the mushy brains of confused out-of-staters, but now suddenly a county route marker, where this practice is all but unheard of, is put up within a yellow square.

You'll find plenty of states, like Florida, doing the same thing. Turns out the yellow square actually made it as far as the 2009 MUTCD before they came up with a county shield with a thicker yellow outline - instead of yellow inset inside the blue, it makes it to the edge of the sign, so not only is it thicker, but it's also consistent with other light-legend dark-background signs. That being said, the old way of dealing with the blue edge was to rim it in a yellow square. It will take more time for that practice to die.

[Ned Weasel]

I love that there is this movement of eliminating the New Jersey standard of the circle/oval within a black rectangle/square because it's allegedly too hard on the mushy brains of confused out-of-staters, but now suddenly a county route marker, where this practice is all but unheard of, is put up within a yellow square.

You'll find plenty of states, like Florida, doing the same thing. Turns out the yellow square actually made it as far as the 2009 MUTCD before they came up with a county shield with a thicker yellow outline - instead of yellow inset inside the blue, it makes it to the edge of the sign, so not only is it thicker, but it's also consistent with other light-legend dark-background signs. That being said, the old way of dealing with the blue edge was to rim it in a yellow square. It will take more time for that practice to die.

FWIW, white backgrounds have also been used for county route shields within green signs (although I'm honestly not sure how many DOTs have used them).  The yellow background seems more intuitive to design, but the white background might be easier on the eyes (maybe this should be put to the test).  That being said, only the yellow background is specifically sanctioned by the 2009 MUTCD.

[roadman65]

I never understood why the GSP was signed here anyway, but I would assume it was just in case someone got off the Turnpike at the wrong exit or for the same reason why I-95 and NJT shields appear on US 22, even going WB through Bridgewater for the I-287 ramp SB.

Then what is even more interesting is that the NJDOT signs at the end of the ramp at the 440/287 split also included US 9.  That is most likely because on CR 514 going EB had both a Parkway and US 9 shield on the EB NJ 440 ramp so NJDOT included all ramp signs to it (although WB CR 514 I cannot remember if there is a Parkway and US 9 shield at the cloverleaf ramp there or not) as part of one sketch.  Of course CR 514 has reference to both US 9 and the GSP because of the interest of Raritan Center and Middlesex Community College motorists as the GSP does not connect with CR 514, and to use NJ 440 to US 9 is much easier than going through Fords along 514 to connect with it properly.

[bzakharin]

440 is also signed past the tolls of Exit 11, so I guess there's some symmetry.

[Pete from Boston]

I love that there is this movement of eliminating the New Jersey standard of the circle/oval within a black rectangle/square because it's allegedly too hard on the mushy brains of confused out-of-staters, but now suddenly a county route marker, where this practice is all but unheard of, is put up within a yellow square.

You'll find plenty of states, like Florida, doing the same thing. Turns out the yellow square actually made it as far as the 2009 MUTCD before they came up with a county shield with a thicker yellow outline - instead of yellow inset inside the blue, it makes it to the edge of the sign, so not only is it thicker, but it's also consistent with other light-legend dark-background signs. That being said, the old way of dealing with the blue edge was to rim it in a yellow square. It will take more time for that practice to die.

I'm from Bergen County, where not only were county routes originally never signed on green guide signs, they didn't even have the blue pentagon until after this was a well-established thing.

The only instances I've seen of blue pentagons on a green guide sign involved no yellow background. This goes back to probably 287, either when the first new segment opened (23 to 511) or when the whole new shebang opened in 1993.

[Alps]

The only instances I've seen of blue pentagons on a green guide sign involved no yellow background. This goes back to probably 287, either when the first new segment opened (23 to 511) or when the whole new shebang opened in 1993.

I... what?

NJ has always used the square.

[noelbotevera]

The only instances I've seen of blue pentagons on a green guide sign involved no yellow background. This goes back to probably 287, either when the first new segment opened (23 to 511) or when the whole new shebang opened in 1993.

I... what?

NJ has always used the square.

Not sure what year that sign is dated though. If it predates 1993, then yes you are right.

[odditude]

I-295 has yellow-background CR shields all over the place.

[Zeffy]

I-295 has yellow-background CR shields all over the place.

And they have 6xx numbers too, which aren't even supposed to be signed on exit signs!

[odditude]

I-295 has yellow-background CR shields all over the place.

And they have 6xx numbers too, which aren't even supposed to be signed on exit signs!

only in Gloucester County and south - none of the 6xx roads north of 42 are signed (e.g. exits 42, 45, 52...)

[storm2k]

The only instances I've seen of blue pentagons on a green guide sign involved no yellow background. This goes back to probably 287, either when the first new segment opened (23 to 511) or when the whole new shebang opened in 1993.

I... what?

NJ has always used the square.

Not sure what year that sign is dated though. If it predates 1993, then yes you are right.

Those signs were erected in 1993 hen all signs on 287 north of Exit 14 were replaced as part of the completion of the roadway to the NY state line.

[storm2k]

I-295 has yellow-background CR shields all over the place.

And they have 6xx numbers too, which aren't even supposed to be signed on exit signs!

78 has a couple (Exit 36 comes to mind) where 5XX Spur routes were converted to 6XX routes and the shields were replaced instead of being removed.

[jwolfer]

Does the GSP still have CR 614 and CR 618 on the bgs in Ocean County

[Pete from Boston]

The only instances I've seen of blue pentagons on a green guide sign involved no yellow background. This goes back to probably 287, either when the first new segment opened (23 to 511) or when the whole new shebang opened in 1993.

I... what?

NJ has always used the square.

I guess I'm wrong.  My mind must tune out that yellow back.

[dgolub]

I-295 has yellow-background CR shields all over the place.

And they have 6xx numbers too, which aren't even supposed to be signed on exit signs!

only in Gloucester County and south - none of the 6xx roads north of 42 are signed (e.g. exits 42, 45, 52...)

Depends on your definition of exit signs.  US 46 has a ton of 600 series routes on overhead signs.

[roadman65]

I think that NJ did a bad thing with first including them and then resending the order like on the GSP.  First they started to include 600 series routes on their guide signs as a new gesture to include all numbered routes.  Then the NJTA, at the advice I assume of NJDOT, got rid of them when the 63 to 80 widening took place and the new overheads now just include the control cities, but with some extra area to place them back if NJDOT decides to go back to including all numbered routes again.

[odditude]

I-295 has yellow-background CR shields all over the place.

And they have 6xx numbers too, which aren't even supposed to be signed on exit signs!

only in Gloucester County and south - none of the 6xx roads north of 42 are signed (e.g. exits 42, 45, 52...)

Depends on your definition of exit signs.  US 46 has a ton of 600 series routes on overhead signs.

my comment was specifically about I-295 (which the listed exit numbers reference).