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Started by roadman65, February 25, 2016, 06:32:41 AM

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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2016, 10:06:15 AM
CA 60:  Basically this is a full freeway from downtown L.A. to I-10 save for the last couple miles before the I-10 terminus where at grades intersections exist.

Somewhat similar to this case, Kansas has one present example and one future example of a route whose freeway portion ends shortly before connecting to another freeway.  The present example is K-18, whose freeway portion ends just east of I-70, with only one at-grade intersection before the interchange.  The future example is US 59, whose freeway portion ends a little over a mile south of K-10, which is a future freeway.  The main difference between the CA 60 example and the two Kansas examples I've mentioned is that the interchange between I-70 and K-18 is a diamond, and the interchange between US 59 and K-10 will be a diamond, while the I-10 and CA 60 interchange has more free-flowing movements.
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jay8g

BC 99 is nearly a continuous freeway from south of downtown Vancouver to the US border (and then flowing into I-5), except for 1 at-grade T and duty-free access driveways right at the entrance to the border crossing. (Obviously, the border crossing itself is a gap in the freeway, but I give it a pass.)

SR 3/SR 16 is nearly a continuous freeway from I-5 in Tacoma through Bremerton to, well, nowhere much (SR 305 west of Poulsbo), except for the mile or so through Gorst, where all standards go out the window at various times.

South of the Alaskan Way Viaduct, SR 99 comes so close to connecting up with other freeways, but fails. First, you have the partial West Seattle Bridge (freeway) interchange, with no way to get to or from I-5, then a short gap of surface street, and then the horrible 99/509 interchange, with no obvious through path for SR 99.

tdindy88

From Indiana, Keystone Parkway in Carmel, a "freeway-like" highway runs free-flowing from U.S. 31 down to 96th Street where a major stoplight remains. Plans are for that stoplight to go ahead but the interchange with I-465 to the south has to signals at the end of the off-ramps and those won't be going away. South of there the roadway continues like a freeway for another mile past 86th Street.

Also, the U.S. 24 freeway in Allen County, running from the Ohio state line west to I-469, only at the 469 interchange, which was kept in its original configuration, is there signals.

roadman65

The BL for I-49 for Joplin, MO which is a freeway a few miles leading into its northern terminus  but the interchange at its end with its parent there is signalized.    If they just eliminated the diamond interchange altogether at that location and just put in flyovers or anything that makes the smooth freeway to freeway transition they could have this  business loop freeway part be I-49 along with MO 249 which is also a freeway.  It would eliminate its overlap with I-44 and no need to have I-49 pass through single lane ramps at either end of the I-44 concurrency too.  That is providing they make a two lane connection of course.
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D-Dey65

Quote from: Duke87 on February 27, 2016, 01:03:14 PM
There's a lot more than one.

The "freeway" portion of the Saw Mill effectively ends at Executive Blvd. North of there there are over a dozen at grade intersections, although not all of them are signalized.
Hell, there's even one right next to the end of the southbound ramp from the New York State Thruway. I don't know why they don't close the thing and turn it into a dead end street.


wanderer2575

The M-53 bypass around Romeo MI was twinned and several grade separations were constructed, but there are still three at-grade intersections.  In a very unusual move for MDOT, most of the expressway is posted at 70mph.  The speed limit drops to 55mph at the intersections and then goes back to 70mph.

cl94

Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 28, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on February 27, 2016, 01:03:14 PM
There's a lot more than one.

The "freeway" portion of the Saw Mill effectively ends at Executive Blvd. North of there there are over a dozen at grade intersections, although not all of them are signalized.
Hell, there's even one right next to the end of the southbound ramp from the New York State Thruway. I don't know why they don't close the thing and turn it into a dead end street.

There's so much wrong with that area that it isn't funny. If they closed the road off, they might actually be able to get rid of the stop sign on the ramp.
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roadman65

Quote from: cl94 on February 28, 2016, 12:14:39 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 28, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on February 27, 2016, 01:03:14 PM
There's a lot more than one.

The "freeway" portion of the Saw Mill effectively ends at Executive Blvd. North of there there are over a dozen at grade intersections, although not all of them are signalized.
Hell, there's even one right next to the end of the southbound ramp from the New York State Thruway. I don't know why they don't close the thing and turn it into a dead end street.

There's so much wrong with that area that it isn't funny. If they closed the road off, they might actually be able to get rid of the stop sign on the ramp.
I checked it out and of course the freeway to freeway (well almost anyway as SawMill is really an expressway with alternating freeways segments in between) is so outdated with a complete STOP at the end of the ramp between the two major arteries.

Also they forgot to install a directional banners NB on the ramp to the NB Thruway from the SawMill.  I know that most people would not be looking for I-87 SB going that way, but I am quite certain as I about this forum being here, that some moron will be looking for it and end up at the Woodbury Toll Barrier looking for Yonkers Raceway or Midtown Manhattan.
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cl94

Quote from: roadman65 on February 28, 2016, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: cl94 on February 28, 2016, 12:14:39 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 28, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on February 27, 2016, 01:03:14 PM
There's a lot more than one.

The "freeway" portion of the Saw Mill effectively ends at Executive Blvd. North of there there are over a dozen at grade intersections, although not all of them are signalized.
Hell, there's even one right next to the end of the southbound ramp from the New York State Thruway. I don't know why they don't close the thing and turn it into a dead end street.

There's so much wrong with that area that it isn't funny. If they closed the road off, they might actually be able to get rid of the stop sign on the ramp.
I checked it out and of course the freeway to freeway (well almost anyway as SawMill is really an expressway with alternating freeways segments in between) is so outdated with a complete STOP at the end of the ramp between the two major arteries.

Also they forgot to install a directional banners NB on the ramp to the NB Thruway from the SawMill.  I know that most people would not be looking for I-87 SB going that way, but I am quite certain as I about this forum being here, that some moron will be looking for it and end up at the Woodbury Toll Barrier looking for Yonkers Raceway or Midtown Manhattan.

There is one a mile back and a ground-mounted assembly 1/4 mile south of the ramp.
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roadman65

It only takes one.  Remember to most non road geeks an EXIT ONLY warning sign is not a visible sign for a right lane drop and are still making that last moment unsafe lane change at exit ramps that steal the right lane.
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MA 2, implied exit 29.

Eh, it operates as a freeway enough as is; there isn't a traffic light there.

Actually, eastbound the traffic light is active, given Mt. Elam Rd is a dead end street from that direction. It was kept there due to residents demanding it since they had no choice but to use that intersection to leave home. Westbound it's just a blinking yellow/blinking red situation.

I've driven down that road lots of times, having grown up in western MA.  Using GSV, if you move back and forth, actually shows EB as a yellow blinker as well.  I've certainly never hit a red light ever there.  I suppose I'll just count myself remarkably lucky. :D

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That said, a red light may be triggered when someone actually comes down the road nonetheless.

That was what I meant to say, it is a yellow blinker that changes red when someone comes down Mt. Elam.
I was just there and it's very much a functioning signal for EB traffic, not a blinking yellow.

JoePCool14

On US-20 just west of Galena, IDOT decided to only put up one bridge and ramps (WB) where it intersects with this road. The EB traffic just intersects with it directly. If you gander over to the WB side, you can see how poorly the exit is signed as well.

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SignGeek101

Quote from: JoePCool14 on March 11, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
On US-20 just west of Galena, IDOT decided to only put up one bridge and ramps (WB) where it intersects with this road. The EB traffic just intersects with it directly. If you gander over to the WB side, you can see how poorly the exit is signed as well.

Wow. I've never seen one side at-grade and the other with a diamond before. Is it being planned to be finished? It seems like this type of thing was planned to be converted to a diamond, but was never done for some reason.

JoePCool14

Quote from: SignGeek101 on March 11, 2016, 04:49:19 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on March 11, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
On US-20 just west of Galena, IDOT decided to only put up one bridge and ramps (WB) where it intersects with this road. The EB traffic just intersects with it directly. If you gander over to the WB side, you can see how poorly the exit is signed as well.

Wow. I've never seen one side at-grade and the other with a diamond before. Is it being planned to be finished? It seems like this type of thing was planned to be converted to a diamond, but was never done for some reason.

I'm not local to that area, so I can't say for sure. I'm guessing because it's Illinois, it was a lack of funds, space, or interest to be completed. Neither road is really that busy, so it's manageable for the time being. Still, it's an oddity and something I've never seen outside of there.

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Big John

^^ It was slated for freeway conversion so it would wait until never it seems.


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jakeroot

One example from the UK: the A4053 (Coventry Ring Road) at the A4114. The outer loop goes over the roundabout, but the inner loop is an at-grade bypass (the slip ramps for the roundabout are on the right-hand side -- a big no-no in the UK). On either side of the junction, these "through" lanes becomes exit-only lanes. The rest of the dual carriageway has the through lanes as the right two lanes, but at this junction, the through lanes briefly switch to the left two lanes. I can't even imagine the weaving

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Joe The Dragon

Quote from: SignGeek101 on March 11, 2016, 04:49:19 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on March 11, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
On US-20 just west of Galena, IDOT decided to only put up one bridge and ramps (WB) where it intersects with this road. The EB traffic just intersects with it directly. If you gander over to the WB side, you can see how poorly the exit is signed as well.

Wow. I've never seen one side at-grade and the other with a diamond before. Is it being planned to be finished? It seems like this type of thing was planned to be converted to a diamond, but was never done for some reason.

there are other places with setups like that. Seems like when the old 2 lane road was dueled they build the over pass.

WillWeaverRVA

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VA 37 stops being a freeway (and ends? There's a SR 642 posting at that interchange) just short of its interchange with I-81 south of Winchester (a diamond), and ends just before it could have one north of Winchester (merges onto US 11 in a partial interchange that requires using a surface street to connect to southbound US 11).
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Sykotyk

US209 between PA 33 and Stroudsburg/I-80 acts like an eastern spur of the freeway north of the Allentown area, but has a light right in the middle of it. Seems like such a waste (though a lot of PA33 traffic is heading northwest from I-78 in New Jersey to I-80 WB, it still just seems wrong.

OH 11 is a full freeway from it's end in East Liverpool/WV border (where US30 crosses into WV) until it's end in Ashtabula right by Lake Erie. EXCEPT the hack-jobbed rest area that requires crossing the SB lane for NB travelers wanting to use the rest area. True, also, the I-90 ramps are subpar (they're getting fixed now), but the rest area is the biggest crack.

Another novelty would be OH7 between Martins Ferry and around the Shadyside area just south of Bellaire is a freeway. The I-470 interchange is substandard (left exit which meets at a grade-separated light), but just south of there there's a flashing yellow for a crossroad. Otherwise, it's freeway.


english si

Quote from: jakeroot on March 12, 2016, 02:07:37 PM
One example from the UK: the A4053 (Coventry Ring Road) at the A4114. The outer loop goes over the roundabout, but the inner loop is an at-grade bypass (the slip ramps for the roundabout are on the right-hand side -- a big no-no in the UK). On either side of the junction, these "through" lanes becomes exit-only lanes. The rest of the dual carriageway has the through lanes as the right two lanes, but at this junction, the through lanes briefly switch to the left two lanes. I can't even imagine the weaving
It's errr, "fun". Actually, that way is alright - it's the other way that's the problem - most traffic joining the ring road anti-clockwise there at J4 aren't leaving at J3, whereas most traffic on the road from J5 to J4 is turning off at J3 or J4 (the latter especially true of that coming from J6 and beyond). The right exit/entrance actually reduces weaving.

When I saw A4053, I presumed you were going to point out how there's an at-grade roundabout at J1 spoiling it from being fully grade-separated insanity.

jakeroot

Quote from: english si on March 15, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
When I saw A4053, I presumed you were going to point out how there's an at-grade roundabout at J1 spoiling it from being fully grade-separated insanity.

Any chance the Highways Agency will grade-separate that roundabout? :-D

Bruce

WA-522 has been upgraded to full freeway standards, with two lanes in each direction, from I-405 in Bothell to US 2 in Monroe, except for an at-grade intersection in Maltby with WA-524 and a two-lane segment just north of that. A new bridge over the Snohomish River was completed last year to expand it to 4 lanes, thankfully, moving the pinch/chokepoint further southwest.
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jakeroot

Quote from: Bruce on March 16, 2016, 01:51:49 AM
WA-522 has been upgraded to full freeway standards, with two lanes in each direction, from I-405 in Bothell to US 2 in Monroe, except for an at-grade intersection in Maltby with WA-524 and a two-lane segment just north of that. A new bridge over the Snohomish River was completed last year to expand it to 4 lanes, thankfully, moving the pinch/chokepoint further southwest.

I'm glad that WSDOT finally got some funding for that Maltby junction...too bad it's only for the design! http://goo.gl/cOcbfI

Looks like they have some big plans for that area. Lots of proposed realignments.



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