Overused stop signs

[jeffandnicole]

Guess these bicyclists, who have no problem with the overposting of Stop signs on regular roads

Huh?
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2010/03/23/stop-signs-suck/
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2010/05/26/contempt-for-stop-signs/
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2012/06/21/endangered-species-spotted-thriving-in-local-neighborhood/

Good to know.  My apologies for not reading every story and posting for the past 3 years on the website.

[PHLBOS]

I wish somebody would compile a similar presentation to the 5 southeastern PA counties regarding overusing STOP signs.  On many non-PennDOT roads, the majority of STOP signs are indeed erected for speed control purposes which is an MUTCD no-no.

Yes it is really bad here.  There are 3-way and 4-way stops all over the place that are just completely unnecessary.  If towns think that people are driving too fast, they should use the police to enforce speed limits.  Instead, I have to wear out my brakes unnecessarily.

From what I understand (and assuming you're from PA as well), the so-called argument against increased police enforcement is due to the fact that only the PA State Police can use radar for speed enforcement.  Local police in PA are restricted to only using a VASCAR device for speed enforcement which typically requires a longish straight-away that has few obstructions.  Additionally, VASCAR enforcement has a 10 mph threshold (meaning police can't pull one over unless they're clocked at 10 mph or higher over the posted limit) vs. a 6-7 mph threshold in radar enforcement.

While there have been pushes to lift the local police radar ban; most have not been successful due to the arguement that local police (as you know there are a lot of small boroughs in PA) would abuse the enforcement (as means of revenue enhancement).

My take on it is this; lift the radar ban but eliminate all non-MUTCD-justified devices (including irrationally-placed STOP signs) and rationalize the speed limits (15 mph on pavement even in a school zone is artificially too low) across the board.

Side bar: I had to replace my brakes within the first year I lived in Delaware County due my not being used to the excessive STOP signs.

[jeffandnicole]

PA would do good by eliminating the yearly inspections on all vehicles also, which will never happen because it's a gold mine for auto-repair shops. 

Many of my co-workers are from PA, and it amazes me the "issues" their cars have at inspections, which of couse require instant repair at the shop, while NJ vehicles can go 5 years for new vehicles (and 2 years for subsequent inspections) and rarely have problems.

[PHLBOS]

PA would do good by eliminating the yearly inspections on all vehicles also, which will never happen because it's a gold mine for auto-repair shops. 

Many of my co-workers are from PA, and it amazes me the "issues" their cars have at inspections, which of couse require instant repair at the shop, while NJ vehicles can go 5 years for new vehicles (and 2 years for subsequent inspections) and rarely have problems.

IMHO, that has more to do w/people waiting until it's inspection time to address all their repairs rather than doing them (the repairs) during the course of the year.  Seriously, I've seen people bring in cars for inspections in such conditions that IMHO have no business being brought in to be inspected.  It might just be a Greater Philly thing/issue as opposed to statewide, I don't know; my only experiences have been in Delaware County.

Personally, if I know that one of my cars has known-inspection-related issue(s) (last year my '97 Crown Vic needed new brakes); I get it taken care of/repaired first, then take it to get inspected.

One beef I have with PA inspections is that they're very expensive (one of the highest fees in the nation) and the fee can vary from garage to garage.  In other states, the inspection is just a flat rate regardless of where one goes.

My other beefs relate to the emissions testing (which is only perfomed/mandated in the more populous counties) in that:

1.  The test is done yearly rather than every 2 years (most states that mandate emissions testing follows the every 2 year cycle).

2.  The testing is still required on cars as old as 1976 (most states only test vehicles for emissions up to 15 to 20 years old).

The annual safety inspection doesn't really bother me because I was used to that when I was residing in Massachusetts.

[Alps]

Guess these bicyclists, who have no problem with the overposting of Stop signs on regular roads

Huh?
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2010/03/23/stop-signs-suck/
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2010/05/26/contempt-for-stop-signs/
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2012/06/21/endangered-species-spotted-thriving-in-local-neighborhood/

Good to know.  My apologies for not reading every story and posting for the past 3 years on the website.

You made the initial assertion, so why the sarcasm?

[D-Dey65]

Poor stop signs. The cyclists probably ignore them anyway.

I'm sure some do, but I don't. Whenever I take a ride on the Withlacoochee State Trail, or any other bike path, I always obey them. I know I'm no match for an old lady in her Toyota Avalon, or some redneck in an swamp buggy.

I wish somebody would compile a similar presentation to the 5 southeastern PA counties regarding overusing STOP signs.  On many non-PennDOT roads, the majority of STOP signs are indeed erected for speed control purposes which is an MUTCD no-no.

Oh, that's big on Long Island, especially in the Town of Brookhaven.

[jeffandnicole]

Guess these bicyclists, who have no problem with the overposting of Stop signs on regular roads

Huh?
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2010/03/23/stop-signs-suck/
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2010/05/26/contempt-for-stop-signs/
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2012/06/21/endangered-species-spotted-thriving-in-local-neighborhood/

Good to know.  My apologies for not reading every story and posting for the past 3 years on the website.

You made the initial assertion, so why the sarcasm?

For the use of "Huh?".  A simple sentence explaining the groups opinion on the overuse of stop signs for all modes of transportation, with the links, would've been better received.

[lordsutch]

It looks like whoever designed the trail was over-literal in applying the MUTCD guidance for shared-use paths.  Most of these crossings probably could be uncontrolled, if there's little cross-traffic, or could have yield controls on the path.