Highways that take more distance to clinch than they are long

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Inspired by posts in this thread: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=22514.0

Is FL SR A1A one? It seems to have a few noncontinuous segments. FL SR 200 is also one.

Edit: Oh lord, despite thinking about it for a while before posting it, only now do I realize that this is just "highways that exist in multiple segments" and there are probably already threads on that.    I can't delete posts.

[vdeane]

Well, there are other circumstances.  AK 11 is noteworthy because it's a 496 mile deadhead back to Fairbanks from Deadhorse, a decent portion of that on AK 2.

[oscar]

Well, there are other circumstances.  AK 11 is noteworthy because it's a 496 mile deadhead back to Fairbanks from Deadhorse, a decent portion of that on AK 2.

Unless you ride (such as on a van tour) one way and fly the other, as I did on my first clinch of AK 11 in 1994.

[Henry]

Perhaps the most famous of these is US 2, as once you get to the end of one segment, you then have to go through the MI glove, OH, PA and NY to get to the other. Or an alternative would be to drive through Canada, re-entering at Niagara Falls after doubling back from Toronto, or south of Montreal via Ottawa (of course, both routes obviously start at Sault Ste. Marie).

[jp the roadgeek]

PA 29, US 422, I-99 (for the foreseeable future), NY 24, NY 114 (if you don't take the multiple ferries), I-76/I-84/I-86/I-88, I-49, I-69, the US highways through Yellowstone, any state route on a continuous road that crosses a state border then re-enters the state.

[kurumi]

(sorry for joke derail, but:
Banach-Tarski Highway - takes about twice as long
Klein Freeway - very easy to get stuck
Möbius Parkway - can only clinch one side
Mandelbrot Motorway - don't try to clinch the interchanges
Gabriel's Horn Beltway - will take forever)

[hotdogPi]

I can't find any, but a possible example is a route that makes an arc, where going counterclockwise is slightly longer (100 feet, if that), but going clockwise requires something like taking the third exit from a roundabout somewhere in the middle while going counterclockwise requires allows you to take the first exit.

[Aaron Camp]

In western Indiana, IN-71 and IN-63 are discontinuous, and, in the case of IN-71, one has to drive a little over 50 miles to get from one segment of IN-71 to the other segment of IN-71, which is longer than both segments of IN-71 combined. I'm surprised that the northern segment of IN-71 hasn't been decommissioned by INDOT, since the AADT on that stretch of road is probably less than 500. There are quite a few examples of discontinuous state highways in Indiana.

[NWI_Irish96]

In western Indiana, IN-71 and IN-63 are discontinuous, and, in the case of IN-71, one has to drive a little over 50 miles to get from one segment of IN-71 to the other segment of IN-71, which is longer than both segments of IN-71 combined. I'm surprised that the northern segment of IN-71 hasn't been decommissioned by INDOT, since the AADT on that stretch of road is probably less than 500. There are quite a few examples of discontinuous state highways in Indiana.

Indiana has a lot of discontinuous state highways.  If you count them as a single highway and not as separate highways with the same number, they would all take extra distance to clinch.  However, for purposes of listing highways I've clinched, I consider them to be separate highways with the same number.

[bzakharin]

There are some edge cases where the segments touch each other, but where you must leave the route and re-enter it due to lack of direct connection or one-way pairs. For example at the southern/eastern end of the US 30/130 multiplex in NJ, you must follow local streets to continue on US 30. Similarly, where the Black Horse Pike transitions from NJ 42 to NJ 168 you cannot stay on the Black Horse Pike going north. In fact the segment of the Black Horse Pike (and NJ 168) at 42 is one-way Southbound only.

[jp the roadgeek]

There are some edge cases where the segments touch each other, but where you must leave the route and re-enter it due to lack of direct connection or one-way pairs. For example at the southern/eastern end of the US 30/130 multiplex in NJ, you must follow local streets to continue on US 30. Similarly, where the Black Horse Pike transitions from NJ 42 to NJ 168 you cannot stay on the Black Horse Pike going north. In fact the segment of the Black Horse Pike (and NJ 168) at 42 is one-way Southbound only.

Another example is MA 1A.  There is no direct access from its silent concurrency with I-93/US 1/MA 3 northbound, nor is there a direct connection from the Sumner tunnel to 93/1/3 southbound.

[vdeane]

PA 29, US 422, I-99 (for the foreseeable future), NY 24, NY 114 (if you don't take the multiple ferries), I-76/I-84/I-86/I-88, I-49, I-69, the US highways through Yellowstone, any state route on a continuous road that crosses a state border then re-enters the state.

Well, you have to take at least one ferry for the clinch (since that part on the island is indeed part of NY 114), so you might as well get the other while you're there.

[Max Rockatansky]

CA 168, CA 39, CA 190, CA 65, CA 173, CA 146, CA 169, and CA 65 all come to mind due to unbuilt gaps in he routes.  Many of them require driving a huge distance around large mountains to reach the opposite side of the route to finish a clinch. 

[Flint1979]

In western Indiana, IN-71 and IN-63 are discontinuous, and, in the case of IN-71, one has to drive a little over 50 miles to get from one segment of IN-71 to the other segment of IN-71, which is longer than both segments of IN-71 combined. I'm surprised that the northern segment of IN-71 hasn't been decommissioned by INDOT, since the AADT on that stretch of road is probably less than 500. There are quite a few examples of discontinuous state highways in Indiana.

Indiana has a lot of discontinuous state highways.  If you count them as a single highway and not as separate highways with the same number, they would all take extra distance to clinch.  However, for purposes of listing highways I've clinched, I consider them to be separate highways with the same number.

I think Indiana uses the same number on what seems to be different highways because of the way they number their highways. I don't know how many people really notice this but Indiana highways are numbered like US highways are where odd numbered highways run north and south and even numbered highways run east and west with some exceptions SR 37, SR 47, SR 56, SR 57, SR 62, and SR 67 being diagonal routes and SR 135 for some reason acts as a two digit route. I'm not sure if I'm right on that or not but it seems like since that route is on the same line as another route it'd get the same number. I like Indiana's numbering system though because I can tell where I'm at in the state just by the state highway number.

[NWI_Irish96]

In western Indiana, IN-71 and IN-63 are discontinuous, and, in the case of IN-71, one has to drive a little over 50 miles to get from one segment of IN-71 to the other segment of IN-71, which is longer than both segments of IN-71 combined. I'm surprised that the northern segment of IN-71 hasn't been decommissioned by INDOT, since the AADT on that stretch of road is probably less than 500. There are quite a few examples of discontinuous state highways in Indiana.

Indiana has a lot of discontinuous state highways.  If you count them as a single highway and not as separate highways with the same number, they would all take extra distance to clinch.  However, for purposes of listing highways I've clinched, I consider them to be separate highways with the same number.

I think Indiana uses the same number on what seems to be different highways because of the way they number their highways. I don't know how many people really notice this but Indiana highways are numbered like US highways are where odd numbered highways run north and south and even numbered highways run east and west with some exceptions SR 37, SR 47, SR 56, SR 57, SR 62, and SR 67 being diagonal routes and SR 135 for some reason acts as a two digit route. I'm not sure if I'm right on that or not but it seems like since that route is on the same line as another route it'd get the same number. I like Indiana's numbering system though because I can tell where I'm at in the state just by the state highway number.

Some numbers are repeated due to the grid system (4, 8) but others are repeated because they used to be continuous and had urban sections turned over to municipalities (22, 25).  IN 135 used to be IN 35 before US 35 existed in Indiana.  It got changed to avoid confusion. 

[hotdogPi]

In western Indiana, IN-71 and IN-63 are discontinuous, and, in the case of IN-71, one has to drive a little over 50 miles to get from one segment of IN-71 to the other segment of IN-71, which is longer than both segments of IN-71 combined. I'm surprised that the northern segment of IN-71 hasn't been decommissioned by INDOT, since the AADT on that stretch of road is probably less than 500. There are quite a few examples of discontinuous state highways in Indiana.

Indiana has a lot of discontinuous state highways.  If you count them as a single highway and not as separate highways with the same number, they would all take extra distance to clinch.  However, for purposes of listing highways I've clinched, I consider them to be separate highways with the same number.

I think Indiana uses the same number on what seems to be different highways because of the way they number their highways. I don't know how many people really notice this but Indiana highways are numbered like US highways are where odd numbered highways run north and south and even numbered highways run east and west with some exceptions SR 37, SR 47, SR 56, SR 57, SR 62, and SR 67 being diagonal routes and SR 135 for some reason acts as a two digit route. I'm not sure if I'm right on that or not but it seems like since that route is on the same line as another route it'd get the same number. I like Indiana's numbering system though because I can tell where I'm at in the state just by the state highway number.

Some numbers are repeated due to the grid system (4, 8) but others are repeated because they used to be continuous and had urban sections turned over to municipalities (22, 25).  IN 135 used to be IN 35 before US 35 existed in Indiana.  It got changed to avoid confusion.

Why didn't they make former IN 35 → US 79?

[Mark68]

I-76 

[adventurernumber1]

The first thing that comes to my mind with this are Highways that go across bodies of water via ferries, such as US 10 over Lake Michigan, and US 9 over Delaware Bay (between DE and NJ). You definitely have to drive way out of your way to clinch both of these US Highways in their entirety, unless you have your vehicle put on the ferry, but IIRC, that is very, very expensive to do. 

[NWI_Irish96]

In western Indiana, IN-71 and IN-63 are discontinuous, and, in the case of IN-71, one has to drive a little over 50 miles to get from one segment of IN-71 to the other segment of IN-71, which is longer than both segments of IN-71 combined. I'm surprised that the northern segment of IN-71 hasn't been decommissioned by INDOT, since the AADT on that stretch of road is probably less than 500. There are quite a few examples of discontinuous state highways in Indiana.

Indiana has a lot of discontinuous state highways.  If you count them as a single highway and not as separate highways with the same number, they would all take extra distance to clinch.  However, for purposes of listing highways I've clinched, I consider them to be separate highways with the same number.

I think Indiana uses the same number on what seems to be different highways because of the way they number their highways. I don't know how many people really notice this but Indiana highways are numbered like US highways are where odd numbered highways run north and south and even numbered highways run east and west with some exceptions SR 37, SR 47, SR 56, SR 57, SR 62, and SR 67 being diagonal routes and SR 135 for some reason acts as a two digit route. I'm not sure if I'm right on that or not but it seems like since that route is on the same line as another route it'd get the same number. I like Indiana's numbering system though because I can tell where I'm at in the state just by the state highway number.

Some numbers are repeated due to the grid system (4, 8) but others are repeated because they used to be continuous and had urban sections turned over to municipalities (22, 25).  IN 135 used to be IN 35 before US 35 existed in Indiana.  It got changed to avoid confusion.

Why didn't they make former IN 35 → US 79?

IN 135, formerly IN 35, isn't really a good candidate to be a US highway.

[oscar]

The first thing that comes to my mind with this are Highways that go across bodies of water via ferries, such as US 10 over Lake Michigan, and US 9 over Delaware Bay (between DE and NJ). You definitely have to drive way out of your way to clinch both of these US Highways in their entirety, unless you have your vehicle put on the ferry, but IIRC, that is very, very expensive to do. 

Actually, AASHTO approved the addition to US 10 of the SS Badger ferry across Lake Michigan, though I don't know if that approval has been implemented. So you might need to take the ferry to clinch US 10 in any case.

NE2 has argued that the Cape May-Lewes ferry across Delaware Bay is similarly part of US 9.

Some other ferry routes are officially parts of the highway segments they connect, though they tend to be short and free/cheap. But AK 7, discussed above, does not officially include any of the long and expensive ferry routes (sometimes more than one) connecting its four segments, so it's difficult but possible to clinch all of AK 7 without using ferries.

[adventurernumber1]

The first thing that comes to my mind with this are Highways that go across bodies of water via ferries, such as US 10 over Lake Michigan, and US 9 over Delaware Bay (between DE and NJ). You definitely have to drive way out of your way to clinch both of these US Highways in their entirety, unless you have your vehicle put on the ferry, but IIRC, that is very, very expensive to do. 

Actually, AASHTO approved the addition to US 10 of the SS Badger ferry across Lake Michigan, though I don't know if that approval has been implemented. So you might need to take the ferry to clinch US 10 in any case.

NE2 has argued that the Cape May-Lewes ferry across Delaware Bay is similarly part of US 9.

Some other ferry routes are officially parts of the highway segments they connect, though they tend to be short and free/cheap. But AK 7, discussed above, does not officially include any of the long and expensive ferry routes (sometimes more than one) connecting its four segments, so it's difficult but possible to clinch all of AK 7 without using ferries.

Oh okay, I don't know what I was thinking. Of course I acknowledged that US 9 and US 10 may both possibly be designated on ferries, but I didn't think about the fact that because of that, you would actually have to go on the ferries themselves anyway to technically clinch those routes. I don't know why that slipped past my mind. 

So with that said, that may mean that both US 9 and US 10 aren't good contenders for this thread, but rather for bugo's thread: What highway would be the biggest pain in the ass to clinch?

[Flint1979]

The first thing that comes to my mind with this are Highways that go across bodies of water via ferries, such as US 10 over Lake Michigan, and US 9 over Delaware Bay (between DE and NJ). You definitely have to drive way out of your way to clinch both of these US Highways in their entirety, unless you have your vehicle put on the ferry, but IIRC, that is very, very expensive to do. 

Actually, AASHTO approved the addition to US 10 of the SS Badger ferry across Lake Michigan, though I don't know if that approval has been implemented. So you might need to take the ferry to clinch US 10 in any case.

NE2 has argued that the Cape May-Lewes ferry across Delaware Bay is similarly part of US 9.

Some other ferry routes are officially parts of the highway segments they connect, though they tend to be short and free/cheap. But AK 7, discussed above, does not officially include any of the long and expensive ferry routes (sometimes more than one) connecting its four segments, so it's difficult but possible to clinch all of AK 7 without using ferries.

Oh okay, I don't know what I was thinking. Of course I acknowledged that US 9 and US 10 may both possibly be designated on ferries, but I didn't think about the fact that because of that, you would actually have to go on the ferries themselves anyway to technically clinch those routes. I don't know why that slipped past my mind. 

So with that said, that may mean that both US 9 and US 10 aren't good contenders for this thread, but rather for bugo's thread: What highway would be the biggest pain in the ass to clinch?

For US-10 a clinch would require a ride on the ferry. For US-9 I'm not sure on that one.

[Flint1979]

According to Google Maps anyway they have US-9 marked on the ferry as well. US-9 really doesn't go anywhere south of there too far though. I can't figure out why US-9 doesn't just end in Cape May and have the ferry be it's own thing with the Delaware section of US-9 being downgraded to a state highway.

[hbelkins]

IN 135, formerly IN 35, isn't really a good candidate to be a US highway.

The segment from the state line to Corydon is. It's a good quality highway, as you probably know.

The issue is KY 79 from Russellville through Morgantown, Caneyville, Short Creek, Axtel, Harned, Irvington and Brandenburg, isn't all that good of a highway. And it really doesn't serve a through-traffic purpose.

[NWI_Irish96]

IN 135, formerly IN 35, isn't really a good candidate to be a US highway.

The segment from the state line to Corydon is. It's a good quality highway, as you probably know.

The issue is KY 79 from Russellville through Morgantown, Caneyville, Short Creek, Axtel, Harned, Irvington and Brandenburg, isn't all that good of a highway. And it really doesn't serve a through-traffic purpose.

Yes the southern end of IN 135 is a nice highway, but not long enough to justify making it a US highway unless it were that nice all the way up to Indy.