I-86 crossing into PA from NY, then back.... but not really?

[MCRoads]

In Waverley, NY/PA, the Southern Tear Expressway the interstate crosses the state line, but does not seem to be signed, as if NY still maintains the interstate in the quarter-mile or so in PA. Anyone know why this situation arose? Is there any other similar situation?

[vdeane]

Terrain forced the freeway way south and it was either go through PA or bulldoze Waverly.  NY does indeed maintain the portion through PA.  I-684 and NY 120A are similar, though it's worth noting that CT does own (but doesn't maintain) their part of I-684.

[Rothman]

There used to be a small sign noting the boundary, I thought.

[vdeane]

Pretty sure by "does not seem to be signed" he was referring to regular state welcome signs and/or indications that maintenance switched to PennDOT, not the small "State Border" signs that are indistinguishable from the ones used to mark hamlet areas.

[kalvado]

I thought that it is just a small dip with no direct connection to PA, but map shows entire exit 60 interchange to be in PA.

Anyway, looks like this is all the signage out there:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0002411,-76.5540322,3a,75y,165.38h,69.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sriHb2CgSRv1lWB20qKkJTg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9998668,-76.5318273,3a,86.8y,166.13h,68.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUDYeIKPHPF2AYrb988-MPQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[DJ Particle]

I do believe I-24 does the same thing in Wildwood, GA...no big welcome signs, but GA maintains their portion, and even resets the mile markers...though the two exits in that portion are numbered as if the entire route was in TN.

[GaryV]

Minnesota 23 crosses thru Wisconsin for about 1/2 mile.

[sbeaver44]

If I read things correctly, it appears the I-86 designation currently ends at the state line between exit 60 and 61, which means I-86 has two segments in PA connected by the main long segment in NY.

Separately, there is another I-86 NY segment from I-81 to NY 79.


On the whole roads entering another state topic, Travel Mapping has PA 44 entering NY.   I don't necessarily disagree, but is that official?

[vdeane]

I do believe I-24 does the same thing in Wildwood, GA...no big welcome signs, but GA maintains their portion, and even resets the mile markers...though the two exits in that portion are numbered as if the entire route was in TN.

There are welcome signs.  Similar, but given that it's very obviously maintained by GA and crossing the state line is quite clear, I'm not sure it meets the "but not really?" part of this thread.

On the whole roads entering another state topic, Travel Mapping has PA 44 entering NY.   I don't necessarily disagree, but is that official?

I don't think so - it's inventoried as a town road, but there are no TO banners, so TM considered it effectively part of PA 44 to NY 417.

[deathtopumpkins]

I do believe I-24 does the same thing in Wildwood, GA...no big welcome signs, but GA maintains their portion, and even resets the mile markers...though the two exits in that portion are numbered as if the entire route was in TN.

I-24 definitely does have full size GA welcome signs:
https://goo.gl/maps/1wNkqdAPgoxanu6t9

[keithvh]

Wyoming Route 70 goes through very rural and rugged territory in South Central Wyoming.  Due to terrain, it dips into Colorado for 0.9 miles, but Wyoming still maintains the road.

The signage is minimal.  A very small sign says either "Leaving Wyoming" or "Entering Wyoming", and there is no mention at all of Colorado.

[thspfc]

MN-23 says hi to Wisconsin due to terrain.

[cl94]

Re: PA 44, the intersection is so close to the state line that it's probably just maintained as part of the intersection. That's a case of Travel Mapping being overly autistic.

[Scott5114]

Re: PA 44, the intersection is so close to the state line that it's probably just maintained as part of the intersection. That's a case of Travel Mapping being overly autistic.

Tastelessness of using the word "autistic" in that context aside, remember that TM is a tool for logging travels. Is anyone really going to travel the portion of that road in New York and stop without crossing into Pennsylvania? If not, by calling that stretch of road something besides PA 44, you'd be making users list two entries in their .list file instead of just one, for no benefit.

[DJ Particle]

I-24 definitely does have full size GA welcome signs:
https://goo.gl/maps/1wNkqdAPgoxanu6t9

Ah...apparently the eastbound one was missing at the time the Street View was taken, and that is what I was going by  *heh*

[PAHighways]

On the whole roads entering another state topic, Travel Mapping has PA 44 entering NY.   I don't necessarily disagree, but is that official?

No, it ends at the state line according to the straight line diagram.

[hotdogPi]

Travel Mapping does not show NH 121A in MA (200 feet), so they're not consistent on this.

[jp the roadgeek]

Travel Mapping does not show NH 121A in MA (200 feet), so they're not consistent on this.

But Apple Maps once did show MA 31 erroneously crossing into CT for a couple hundred feet and ending at CT 197 (I got them to correct it).  There is a CT style 31 shield with an arrow pointing to Dresser Hill Rd on CT 197.  Meanwhile, Google Maps continues to display the real CT 31 shield as a county route along and north of US 44.  And the Windows maps program still shows RI 2 shields along US 1 in Westerly to make you think that CT 2 and RI 2 are one continuous route.

ME 113 and 113B both cross into NH, NH 153 crosses into ME, and MA 114A has both ends in RI.

[deathtopumpkins]

If not, by calling that stretch of road something besides PA 44, you'd be making users list two entries in their .list file instead of just one, for no benefit.

Except by TM recognizing PA 44 entering NY, you have to list two entries in your file anyway: NY PA44 and PA PA44. Just listing PA PA44 would not show you having clinched that 0.04 miles in NY.

Personally I would just delete the segment between the state line and NY 417 from TM. NY doesn't number it, and I'm assuming PA inventories it as ending at the state line.

[Rothman]

If it matters, someone should discuss on their (TM's), forum.

[cl94]

If it matters, someone should discuss on their (TM's), forum.

A few of us have tried. Those in charge insist on inventorying that 200 feet as "PA 44".

[Rothman]

If it matters, someone should discuss on their (TM's), forum.

A few of us have tried. Those in charge insist on inventorying that 200 feet as "PA 44".

Doesn't seem right.

[vdeane]

For reference, the original PA 44 discussion on TM: http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=2633.0

Travel Mapping does not show NH 121A in MA (200 feet), so they're not consistent on this.

I'm guessing that's a case of "nobody has noticed yet".  Also uses a MA shield on there, which makes it interesting.  Somebody should make a thread for this on the TM forums.

[cl94]

If it matters, someone should discuss on their (TM's), forum.

A few of us have tried. Those in charge insist on inventorying that 200 feet as "PA 44".

Doesn't seem right.

Welcome to the world of Travel Mapping. I've generally stopped arguing about stuff on there because they take "everything must connect" to a point of absurdity.

[Rothman]

If it matters, someone should discuss on their (TM's), forum.

A few of us have tried. Those in charge insist on inventorying that 200 feet as "PA 44".

Doesn't seem right.

Welcome to the world of Travel Mapping. I've generally stopped arguing about stuff on there because they take "everything must connect" to a point of absurdity.

I dunno.  I've had a discussion or two go my way on there.