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J N Winkler

#300
March 06, 2020, 08:32:37 PM  
Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 04:20:31 PMI talked to my friend in France literally 15 minutes ago. He's in quarantine after travel (within EU), and developed some fever. After phone interview it was decided he doesn't deserve the test, quarantine extended by 7 days, tests are not cheap to spend them on almost healthy people...

That is pretty much what I would have expected based on my experience as a NHS patient in the UK.  Services are provided free at the point of use, so the customer expectations associated with the US fee-for-service model don't apply, and in some cases you get tough love.  One time I went to my GP with upper-back pain and was referred to a physiotherapist, who did an evaluation and concluded I did not meet the criteria for treatment; instead, I was given exercises to do.  The pain went away when I started lifting weights and got a better office chair.  Another time I came in with a sinus infection secondary to a cold, and was given an antibiotic prescription, but strongly encouraged not to fill it (in the end, I did not).

This being France, I wonder if your friend was reminded of the importance of republican solidarity.
"It is necessary to spend a hundred lire now to save a thousand lire later."--Piero Puricelli, explaining the need for a first-class road system to Benito Mussolini

vdeane

#302
March 06, 2020, 09:54:02 PM  
Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 06, 2020, 06:43:32 PM
I still don't get on how the coronavirus has more cases than SARS.
SARS had a tendency to kill its victims before they could spread it to too many other people.  Coronavirus doesn't.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

LM117

#303
March 06, 2020, 09:56:46 PM  
"I don't know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!" -Jim Cornette

J N Winkler

#304
March 07, 2020, 01:50:54 AM  
Nebraska (Douglas County) and Oklahoma (Tulsa County) have announced their first coronavirus cases as well.  The one in Nebraska is a woman who recently returned from a trip to Britain with her father.

Kansas has no confirmed cases yet, but two suspected ones are currently being tested.

When I went to bed last night, the Johns Hopkins dashboard was indicating 232 confirmed US cases.  Now there are 338.
"It is necessary to spend a hundred lire now to save a thousand lire later."--Piero Puricelli, explaining the need for a first-class road system to Benito Mussolini

CNGL-Leudimin

#305
March 07, 2020, 04:17:41 AM   Last Edit: March 07, 2020, 04:20:11 AM by CNGL-Leudimin
And I believe that number is underestimated, due to uninsured people that don't want to get tested because they cannot afford to pay. The figures in countries that have public health services are more likely to be accurate, and these countries are more able to control an outbreak (but again, there may be some that have escaped). As of now there are almost 400 known cases in Spain, but that has also skyrocketed last week.
Quote from: vdeane on March 06, 2020, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 06, 2020, 06:43:32 PM
I still don't get on how the coronavirus has more cases than SARS.
SARS had a tendency to kill its victims before they could spread it to too many other people.  Coronavirus doesn't.

The SARS virus was also a coronavirus. It's like "Holland" and "Netherlands".
Supporter of the construction of several running gags, including I-366 with a speed limit of 85 mph (137 km/h) and the Hypotenuse.

Please note that I may mention "invalid" FM channels, i.e. ending in an even number or down to 87.5. These are valid in Europe.

jeffandnicole

#306
March 07, 2020, 07:36:16 AM  
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Most statements made that tend to be negative towards US Healthcare policies are clearly opinion and don't line up with the facts.

Using that chart above, make note that those European countries tend to have much smaller population than the US, so the rate is much higher.

And I find it odd that most European nations suddenly have no new cases...almost as if they stopped reporting them.

Overall, any correlation between our healthcare system vs. countries with free universal healthcare isn't jiving.

kalvado

#307
March 07, 2020, 08:26:26 AM  
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on March 07, 2020, 04:17:41 AM
And I believe that number is underestimated, due to uninsured people that don't want to get tested because they cannot afford to pay. The figures in countries that have public health services are more likely to be accurate, and these countries are more able to control an outbreak (but again, there may be some that have escaped).
Again from friends in Italy - no tests until there is difficulty breathing and high fever.
Sounds like Europe just gave up

jeffandnicole

#308
March 07, 2020, 09:21:23 AM  
QuoteThe figures in countries that have public health services are more likely to be accurate, and these countries are more able to control an outbreak (but again, there may be some that have escaped). As of now there are almost 400 known cases in Spain, but that has also skyrocketed last week.

This makes no friggen sense whatsoever. Spain supposedly has a great mostly free healthcare system. You say that European countries with free healthcare can contain the virus, then state the cases are skyrocketing. What the hell is the government feeding you over there?!

roadman65

#310
March 07, 2020, 10:35:57 AM  
Florida has 2 in Hillsborough, 1 in Manatee, and another in Santa Rosa.

Our Governor is placing the health department on alert, and has all toll collectors wearing rubber or nitril gloves while we handle money.  Considering some women store their money in their bras and many derelicts come through with dirty money (as dirty as their clothes) it is a sound idea.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

jeffandnicole

#311
March 07, 2020, 10:48:12 AM  
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2020, 10:35:57 AM
Florida has 2 in Hillsborough, 1 in Manatee, and another in Santa Rosa.

Our Governor is placing the health department on alert, and has all toll collectors wearing rubber or nitril gloves while we handle money.  Considering some women store their money in their bras and many derelicts come through with dirty money (as dirty as their clothes) it is a sound idea.

The NJ Turnpike after the anthrax cases in NJ wanted us to wear gloves. I think I did for a week before I decided to risk my life by touching money directly. I'm glad to say I lived.

It was funny though to watch motorists put on gloves to handle money. They put on gloves, touch their wallets, touch the money, touch the steering wheel, touch their clothing, get their change, put the money in their wallet,  take the gloves off, then touch everything that the gloves had touched, meaning everything they did went for naught as the gloves simply spread the germs around anyway.

bing101

#312
March 07, 2020, 11:26:43 AM  

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#313
March 07, 2020, 11:32:10 AM  
Utah now has its first real case: it sounds like the patient got it on the Grand Princess cruise ship on its last voyage to Mexico but didn't start displaying symptoms until recently. Who knows how many people he might have given it to between then and now. The only information released about the patient is that it's a 60+ year old person from Davis County; they didn't even announce gender (although the governor referred to the patient as "he" multiple times in the press conference last night).

Ironically the state found out about this just hours after they had declared a state of emergency yesterday afternoon in order to prepare for potential cases.

roadman65

#314
March 07, 2020, 11:49:17 AM  
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 07, 2020, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2020, 10:35:57 AM
Florida has 2 in Hillsborough, 1 in Manatee, and another in Santa Rosa.

Our Governor is placing the health department on alert, and has all toll collectors wearing rubber or nitril gloves while we handle money.  Considering some women store their money in their bras and many derelicts come through with dirty money (as dirty as their clothes) it is a sound idea.

The NJ Turnpike after the anthrax cases in NJ wanted us to wear gloves. I think I did for a week before I decided to risk my life by touching money directly. I'm glad to say I lived.

It was funny though to watch motorists put on gloves to handle money. They put on gloves, touch their wallets, touch the money, touch the steering wheel, touch their clothing, get their change, put the money in their wallet,  take the gloves off, then touch everything that the gloves had touched, meaning everything they did went for naught as the gloves simply spread the germs around anyway.
We are to not take them off until we leave the booths and supposed to sterilize the counters before we leave with Clorox wipes they give us in the booth.

However, life is a chance and if you are going to get sick, you are going to get sick.  However, touching the face is where it transmits the most.   Many of us cannot help touching our face to scratch some part of it and with me I love the scratch around my eyes which is where germs can enter your body the most.

I still do not like to touch grungy money though especially when I know that some point it could be inside a girl's private area as back in the day I remember girls loved to grab their tips with their genitals in the NYC strip clubs and in Orlando (back when Seminole County permitted nudity) when I was younger.  Plus seeing guys drive up to the booth in cars barely running, the windows don't work (as they open the door that has also a broken spring to slow it down while opening), the inside of the cars  are trash can looking, and the hygiene of the driver (usually a dirty man with t shirt and jeans),  I do not want what is on their money that is all crumbled up or coins that have shit on them to touch my skin.  Even with gloves I use Purel on the glove as well.

After collecting tolls I finally get to see what the real world is like. Too bad our leaders cannot see this, as IMO our politicians should collect tolls and they would see the real America by the way people act when they drive, as most Americans have to drive and the one's who are loners use driving as a way to keep busy. We road enthusiasts are not the only ones who drive for pleasure as most of the drivers in Polk County look like they have no place to go and ride around hoping something productive will come to them.   Plus many drivers I see live in their cars as some have all their belongings piled up in the front and back seat with pillows and blankets among them, so some do not bathe for lack of a shower and let germs contaminate them.

As far as germs go, yes the body can immune itself to it after a while, hence in the Domincan Republic you have people in one village share a drinking cup, and fork and not get sick at all from engaging in fluid transfer.  If you spend your whole life sharing a tooth brush also your body would adapt as well.  We have spoiled ourselves so much with modern means we made ourselves so open for attack inside of us.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

bing101

#315
March 07, 2020, 11:55:08 AM  

roadman65

#316
March 07, 2020, 12:00:35 PM  
I think a lot is panic and panic is the worst.  We need to remain calm.  The worst part is that it has to happen in an election year when the election is super crucial due to this country dividing more than it ever has been.  So both sides naturally are going to use it as who has the best plan to cure the disease and use it for votes.  Of course to get one on your side one has to play on natural fears like a home security sales person or a lawyer using Mesofalmieonia to get clients being their is an epidemic on that one as one manufacturer did not follow safety guidelines making one of their products.

Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

J N Winkler

#317
March 07, 2020, 12:05:39 PM  
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 07, 2020, 09:21:23 AMThis makes no friggen sense whatsoever. Spain supposedly has a great mostly free healthcare system. You say that European countries with free healthcare can contain the virus, then state the cases are skyrocketing. What the hell is the government feeding you over there?!

I understand the argument he is trying to make:  compared to the US, confirmed cases in Europe are high and increasing fast because there is no perverse incentive (such as deductibles and co-pays) for people who might have coronavirus not to get tested.

I don't think this is necessarily the whole story.  Gatekeeping does occur in Europe--the patient's financial resources are just not used as the basis for it--and in some parts of the US, there is little evidence of the spread of coronavirus beyond middle-class people with the resources for cruises, international air travel, and so on.  (Nebraska's one case so far is a woman who recently returned from visiting Britain with her father.)

Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2020, 08:26:26 AMAgain from friends in Italy - no tests until there is difficulty breathing and high fever.

Sounds like Europe just gave up

There is certainly pessimism in many European countries about whether the virus can still be contained.  Officials in both Britain and France have hinted that they are transitioning to strategies of trying to limit spread.  "Until the summer" is the phrase that has been used in Britain, which suggests to me that they are trying to wait out the heating season in case they have to house respiratory patients in temporary tent hospitals.
"It is necessary to spend a hundred lire now to save a thousand lire later."--Piero Puricelli, explaining the need for a first-class road system to Benito Mussolini

roadman65

#318
March 07, 2020, 12:26:40 PM  
I have learned one thing and that is do not trust social media or the news!  Not defending arguments about Conservative babble about a fake news, as my opinion I have learned is that everything is all hype these days.  We live in a world where we gossip more than ever due to cell phones and the web, so news travels fast and also is distorted along the way.

I look at it this way, cancer kills, the flu kills, and even other ailments kill, yet we are treating this like its the first fatal disease since either ape became man or Adam popped into existence (whichever way you believe humanity started). 

Something has got to kill us and there is no guarantee that we all are supposed to live to near 100.  We need to live our lives and not worry about another illness of among many out there that can be fatal.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

kalvado

#319
March 07, 2020, 12:59:38 PM  
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2020, 12:26:40 PM
I have learned one thing and that is do not trust social media or the news!  Not defending arguments about Conservative babble about a fake news, as my opinion I have learned is that everything is all hype these days.  We live in a world where we gossip more than ever due to cell phones and the web, so news travels fast and also is distorted along the way.

I look at it this way, cancer kills, the flu kills, and even other ailments kill, yet we are treating this like its the first fatal disease since either ape became man or Adam popped into existence (whichever way you believe humanity started). 

Something has got to kill us and there is no guarantee that we all are supposed to live to near 100.  We need to live our lives and not worry about another illness of among many out there that can be fatal.
Pecularity of this situation - coronavirus is a big unknown. It can boil down to just another flu; it can boil down to another black death. Seasonal flu, cancer, road accidents - those are known evils, they have been with us for the entire life, we know what to expect.
My bet this would be something to remember, like Katrina or Sandy. Not the end of the world, but not another flu.

bing101

#322
March 07, 2020, 06:03:15 PM  

bing101

#323
March 07, 2020, 09:03:46 PM  

02 Park Ave

#324
March 07, 2020, 09:23:43 PM  
As you will be aware from the news, coronavirus is a respiratory disease which seems to start with a fever, followed by a dry cough. These symptoms do not necessarily mean one has the illness, particularly as its early stages are similar to those of much more common viruses, such as colds and flu. After a week, it leads to shortness of breath and some patients require hospital treatment. Those particularly vulnerable to it are those who are older or with pre-existing diseases like cancer, diabetes, heart disease or lung disease.

If coughing or sneezing, to disrupt the spread of the virus:
Catch it - sneeze into a tissue.
Bin it - bin the tissue.
Kill it - wash your hands thoroughly for the length of time it takes to sing the U.K. national anthem.
C-o-H
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