Coronavirus pandemic

[kalvado]

Has anyone who's been replying to this topic actually been tested or suspected they caught COVID-19?  I'm fairly certain at this point I caught the virus in late December/early January but that's probably something I'll never have the chance to actually prove. 

Very highly doubtful.  There was a bad cold going around last fall that had many of the same symptoms, though nowhere near as severe.  A local doctor was on TV and addressed this a few weeks ago.

If it was Covid, you would have seen spikes everywhere because though people can be assymptomatic, not everyone is.

In California?  It's not exactly something that has been outright dismissed that the virus was on the west coast earlier than suspected.  With all those flights coming in from China daily there is at least some plausibility to it.  The first known U.S. cases weren't far behind that time frame.  At minimum some researchers have suggested that the reason the case numbers on the West Coast might be so low is earlier exposure than is presently suspected.  I'm not saying that's the case, but doesn't seem to be something the mainstream research has totally dismissed regarding the west coast. 

Regarding antibody tests I'd be up for giving one a try if it was somehow possible for me to do.  So far I haven't seen anything that would suggest that locally it is possible.  But then again that still doesn't prove much, I could in theory have been exposed later and not had symptoms.

Again, read full chain of Bredford's posts above. THey outright dismiss any possibility of deceber infections, and Seattle (not CA, but definitely west coast) based testing showed 0 COVID among thousands samples prior to mid-February.

In another study, out of 3000 samples retroactively analyzed from January-February collections in Santa Clara county, first positive came from 2/21 collection
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2764364

CA flare occured late February - early March. December is pretty much impossible.  Not absolutely physically impossible, but on par with winning jackpot - and doing so more than once.

[tradephoric]

In California?  It's not exactly something that has been outright dismissed that the virus was on the west coast earlier than suspected.  With all those flights coming in from China daily there is at least some plausibility to it.  The first known U.S. cases weren't far behind that time frame.  At minimum some researchers have suggested that the reason the case numbers on the West Coast might be so low is earlier exposure than is presently suspected.  I'm not saying that's the case, but doesn't seem to be something the mainstream research has totally dismissed regarding the west coast. 

I agree there is something strange going on.  California has a population 4X higher than Michigan yet have half the number of COVID-19 deaths.  But the theory that California experienced earlier exposure to COVID doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  If COVID was spreading along the west coast undetected in December/January then why wasn't California's health care system overrun at that time (especially considering nobody was socially distancing at that time)?  Where was the exponential rate of infections and hospitalizations?  Maybe it was just a less deadly strain coming from China which is why there weren't many deaths, but that doesn't make much sense either considering how deadly the strain was for Wuhan (and the theory is people from Wuhan were bringing the virus over to California). 

I just want to know why California hasn't seen nearly as many deaths as Michigan (even though their population is 4x higher).  Why can't a reporter ask that question in one of the pressers.  The fact is the west coast isn't getting hit as hard as other parts of the country.  Why? 

[LM117]

This is what is so incredibly frustrating about these protestors who are demanding the reopening of businesses.  It's going to prolong our family's exposure to risk.

Those "protests" need to just go away. Lockdowns will end, and must end, because society can't take it much longer. But the "protests" are bogging down the process.

The people behind these "protests" don't care about the lockdowns, or about the virus. They care only about exploiting the situation.

At least in NC the assholes are honest about the fact that the economy is more important than people's lives.

https://www.wral.com/hundreds-plan-to-meet-in-raleigh-for-another-reopen-nc-rally/19064821/

Protestors say they feel the economic toll of the stay-at-home order outweighs the public health benefits during the crisis.

Two girls I went to school with work at the hospital in Goldsboro, NC and right now, there's 575 cases in Wayne County, 458 of which is part of an outbreak at a prison there. From what I'm told, people are still going about like it's another day.

http://goldsborodailynews.com/blog/2020/04/20/over-500-covid-19-cases-in-wayne-county-most-at-prison/

https://www.syracuse.com/state/2020/04/small-protest-in-albany-demands-communist-cuomo-lift-stay-at-home-order-in-ny.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-washington/about-2500-protesters-converge-at-washington-state-capitol-against-stay-at-home-order-idUSKBN22201H

https://fox40.com/news/local-news/crowd-gathers-at-capitol-to-protest-stay-at-home-order/

Apparently the protests against the "Mask Orders" and "Shelter in Place" orders is nationwide at a state capital though. Sacramento, Albany and Olympia had their protests at the same time for the same reasons though like in the one in North Carolina.

We've got our fair share of idiots trying to "LIBERATE VIRGINIA!" as well.

[SoCal Kid]

In California?  It's not exactly something that has been outright dismissed that the virus was on the west coast earlier than suspected.  With all those flights coming in from China daily there is at least some plausibility to it.  The first known U.S. cases weren't far behind that time frame.  At minimum some researchers have suggested that the reason the case numbers on the West Coast might be so low is earlier exposure than is presently suspected.  I'm not saying that's the case, but doesn't seem to be something the mainstream research has totally dismissed regarding the west coast. 

I agree there is something strange going on.  California has a population 4X higher than Michigan yet have half the number of COVID-19 deaths.  But the theory that California experienced earlier exposure to COVID doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  If COVID was spreading along the west coast undetected in December/January then why wasn't California's health care system overrun at that time (especially considering nobody was socially distancing at that time)?  Where was the exponential rate of infections and hospitalizations?  Maybe it was just a less deadly strain coming from China which is why there weren't many deaths, but that doesn't make much sense either considering how deadly the strain was for Wuhan (and the theory is people from Wuhan were bringing the virus over to California). 

I just want to know why California hasn't seen nearly as many deaths as Michigan (even though their population is 4x higher).  Why can't a reporter ask that question in one of the pressers.  The fact is the west coast isn't getting hit as hard as other parts of the country.  Why?

I read an article that the Stanford University did a study and said that Californians likely were exposed earlier than the East Coast to COVID and gained a herd immunity to it. However, the claim did receive a lot of doubt from the media and most people. My question is though how an immunity could be developed so fast and also how despite having such high infectivity, people have an immunity to it. Here's an article summarizing it https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/california-coronavirus-herd-immunity-early-spread-stanford-expert-interview

[ozarkman417]

This is what is so incredibly frustrating about these protestors who are demanding the reopening of businesses.  It's going to prolong our family's exposure to risk.

Those "protests" need to just go away. Lockdowns will end, and must end, because society can't take it much longer. But the "protests" are bogging down the process.

The people behind these "protests" don't care about the lockdowns, or about the virus. They care only about exploiting the situation.

At least in NC the assholes are honest about the fact that the economy is more important than people's lives.

https://www.wral.com/hundreds-plan-to-meet-in-raleigh-for-another-reopen-nc-rally/19064821/

Protestors say they feel the economic toll of the stay-at-home order outweighs the public health benefits during the crisis.

Two girls I went to school with work at the hospital in Goldsboro, NC and right now, there's 575 cases in Wayne County, 458 of which is part of an outbreak at a prison there. From what I'm told, people are still going about like it's another day.

http://goldsborodailynews.com/blog/2020/04/20/over-500-covid-19-cases-in-wayne-county-most-at-prison/

https://www.syracuse.com/state/2020/04/small-protest-in-albany-demands-communist-cuomo-lift-stay-at-home-order-in-ny.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-washington/about-2500-protesters-converge-at-washington-state-capitol-against-stay-at-home-order-idUSKBN22201H

https://fox40.com/news/local-news/crowd-gathers-at-capitol-to-protest-stay-at-home-order/

Apparently the protests against the "Mask Orders" and "Shelter in Place" orders is nationwide at a state capital though. Sacramento, Albany and Olympia had their protests at the same time for the same reasons though like in the one in North Carolina.

We've got our fair share of idiots trying to "LIBERATE VIRGINIA!" as well.

Virginia had it's own "liberation" problems before corona.. for a different reason.

SM-G965U

[bing101]

This is what is so incredibly frustrating about these protestors who are demanding the reopening of businesses.  It's going to prolong our family's exposure to risk.

Those "protests" need to just go away. Lockdowns will end, and must end, because society can't take it much longer. But the "protests" are bogging down the process.

The people behind these "protests" don't care about the lockdowns, or about the virus. They care only about exploiting the situation.

At least in NC the assholes are honest about the fact that the economy is more important than people's lives.

https://www.wral.com/hundreds-plan-to-meet-in-raleigh-for-another-reopen-nc-rally/19064821/

Protestors say they feel the economic toll of the stay-at-home order outweighs the public health benefits during the crisis.

Two girls I went to school with work at the hospital in Goldsboro, NC and right now, there's 575 cases in Wayne County, 458 of which is part of an outbreak at a prison there. From what I'm told, people are still going about like it's another day.

http://goldsborodailynews.com/blog/2020/04/20/over-500-covid-19-cases-in-wayne-county-most-at-prison/

https://www.syracuse.com/state/2020/04/small-protest-in-albany-demands-communist-cuomo-lift-stay-at-home-order-in-ny.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-washington/about-2500-protesters-converge-at-washington-state-capitol-against-stay-at-home-order-idUSKBN22201H

https://fox40.com/news/local-news/crowd-gathers-at-capitol-to-protest-stay-at-home-order/

Apparently the protests against the "Mask Orders" and "Shelter in Place" orders is nationwide at a state capital though. Sacramento, Albany and Olympia had their protests at the same time for the same reasons though like in the one in North Carolina.

We've got our fair share of idiots trying to "LIBERATE VIRGINIA!" as well.

Virginia had it's own "liberation" problems before corona.. for a different reason.

SM-G965U

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74aea/coronavirus-is-the-crisis-of-conspiracy-theorists-wildest-dreams
If you are wondering who the leaders of these protests against shelter in place orders and the Mask orders at the State Capital nationwide its a group of conspiracy theorists  and Pastor Tony Spell of Louisiana these are some of the leaders who are inciting people to violate the shelter in place and mask orders.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anti-vaxxer-fear-coronavirus-vaccine/
https://www.wbrz.com/news/arrest-warrant-issued-for-controversial-central-pastor-tony-spell

[Roadgeekteen]

Baker cancelled school, so I'm at home till the fall.

[US71]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74aea/coronavirus-is-the-crisis-of-conspiracy-theorists-wildest-dreams
If you are wondering who the leaders of these protests against shelter in place orders and the Mask orders at the State Capital nationwide its a group of conspiracy theorists  and Pastor Tony Spell of Louisiana these are some of the leaders who are inciting people to violate the shelter in place and mask orders.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anti-vaxxer-fear-coronavirus-vaccine/
https://www.wbrz.com/news/arrest-warrant-issued-for-controversial-central-pastor-tony-spell

I see Alex Jones has joined the fray, as well.

[bing101]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74aea/coronavirus-is-the-crisis-of-conspiracy-theorists-wildest-dreams
If you are wondering who the leaders of these protests against shelter in place orders and the Mask orders at the State Capital nationwide its a group of conspiracy theorists  and Pastor Tony Spell of Louisiana these are some of the leaders who are inciting people to violate the shelter in place and mask orders.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anti-vaxxer-fear-coronavirus-vaccine/
https://www.wbrz.com/news/arrest-warrant-issued-for-controversial-central-pastor-tony-spell

I see Alex Jones has joined the fray, as well.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/conservative-activist-family-behind-grassroots-anti-quarantine-facebook-events-n1188021




https://www.inquirer.com/news/coronavirus-covid-rally-harrisburg-quarantine-shutdown-wolf-chris-dorr-20200420.html


Apparently there is another group who is named as the leader of the Shelter in Place order Violations protests at the state Capital around the nation this group is called "The Dorr Brothers"

[Roadgeekteen]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74aea/coronavirus-is-the-crisis-of-conspiracy-theorists-wildest-dreams
If you are wondering who the leaders of these protests against shelter in place orders and the Mask orders at the State Capital nationwide its a group of conspiracy theorists  and Pastor Tony Spell of Louisiana these are some of the leaders who are inciting people to violate the shelter in place and mask orders.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anti-vaxxer-fear-coronavirus-vaccine/
https://www.wbrz.com/news/arrest-warrant-issued-for-controversial-central-pastor-tony-spell

I see Alex Jones has joined the fray, as well.

covid 19 will turn the frogs gay

[NJRoadfan]

I just want to know why California hasn't seen nearly as many deaths as Michigan (even though their population is 4x higher).  Why can't a reporter ask that question in one of the pressers.  The fact is the west coast isn't getting hit as hard as other parts of the country.  Why?

Better available health care+population with less risk factors.

[hbelkins]

Am I the only person who is terrified to even go into a store or a business now?

I don't know about that, but I'm not terrified. The likelihood that any one person you may encounter has the virus is extremely low, and the odds are that you will catch it from an encounter with them are even lower.

As for the protestors, I am firmly on their side. To me, it's not an issue of the economy, although I understand that people need to be able to work and pay their bills. To me, it's about freedom. How many constitutional rights have been cast aside because people are scared of getting sick? In Kentucky, three of the First Amendment freedoms have been violated -- freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, and with the governor's decree banishing protestors to staying in their cars on the top level of the parking garage where they can't be seen or heard when he's doing his daily press conference/briefing, freedom to petition the governor for redress of grievances. The forced closure of businesses violates the "takings" clause because the government has taken away property from individuals by means other than eminent domain and has not offered just compensation. Restrictions on travel and store closures also likely violate the interstate commerce clause. I equate these protestors with the American revolutionaries of the 1770s because they are fighting for the same rights.

If basic rights aren't applicable in a time of crisis, they are worthless. They should especially be valid in times like these. The fact that people are voluntarily surrendering them for a false sense of safety scares me.

[Roadgeekteen]

Am I the only person who is terrified to even go into a store or a business now?

I don't know about that, but I'm not terrified. The likelihood that any one person you may encounter has the virus is extremely low, and the odds are that you will catch it from an encounter with them are even lower.

As for the protestors, I am firmly on their side. To me, it's not an issue of the economy, although I understand that people need to be able to work and pay their bills. To me, it's about freedom. How many constitutional rights have been cast aside because people are scared of getting sick? In Kentucky, three of the First Amendment freedoms have been violated -- freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, and with the governor's decree banishing protestors to staying in their cars on the top level of the parking garage where they can't be seen or heard when he's doing his daily press conference/briefing, freedom to petition the governor for redress of grievances. The forced closure of businesses violates the "takings" clause because the government has taken away property from individuals by means other than eminent domain and has not offered just compensation. Restrictions on travel and store closures also likely violate the interstate commerce clause. I equate these protestors with the American revolutionaries of the 1770s because they are fighting for the same rights.

If basic rights aren't applicable in a time of crisis, they are worthless. They should especially be valid in times like these. The fact that people are voluntarily surrendering them for a false sense of safety scares me.

You won't be saying this once cases spike because people are protesting on the streets and everything is locked down for longer. Sure, personal rights are important, but not at the cost of public safety.

[NWI_Irish96]

Am I the only person who is terrified to even go into a store or a business now?

I don't know about that, but I'm not terrified. The likelihood that any one person you may encounter has the virus is extremely low, and the odds are that you will catch it from an encounter with them are even lower.

That's not at all true.  We know that many people have the virus and are asymptomatic.  As such, the likelihood that any one person you may encounter has the virus is higher than you think, and in "normal life" you encounter many people every day so it doesn't take long for the probability that you come in contact with someone with the virus gets above 50%.

Here's a better way to look at it: a health care worker, coming straight from their shift at a hospital, still dressed in scrubs, wants to join your first amendment gathering and be within 6 feet of everybody for several minutes.  If the organizer of the gathering would not allow it, then your first amendment argument is invalid.

[webny99]

Drive through restaurants are still open? Thought it was just takeout.

What are you thinking of as "takeout"?  Maybe you mean "delivery", as common for pizza places, Chinese, Door Dash and other services, etc. - and now a whole lot more restaurants that didn't have delivery services before.

My definition of "takeout" is where you go to the place, pick up your order, and "take it out" with you.  Drive-thru is the epitome of that.

To me, "takeout" would mean you go inside the restaurant and order "to go," as opposed to "for here," the difference in normal times being that when you order "for here" they put your food on a tray that you then take to a table to eat your food, whereas when you order "to go" they put it in  a bag and you normally leave with it... In my mind I distinguish the drive-thru from "takeout," although there probably isn't really any good reason for distinguishing between the two. I don't normally hear people using the term "takeout" except, perhaps, in reference to Chinese restaurants ("Chinese takeout").*

"To go" is generally used for fast food places, while "takeout" is generally used for other types of restaurants, like dine-in, and Chinese, as you mentioned. The difference is that you can walk right up to the counter at McDonalds or Wendys, place your order, and get your food right away, hence "to go". Not the case at other types of restaurants, where you'd be advised to place your order online or call it in in advance to avoid a lengthy wait.

The only practical point of distinction between the drive-thru and to-go is your physical location (at the counter vs. in your car) when you place your order. So that's not a very important distinction to make, but takeout, on the other hand, is distinct from the other two because it's a much slower type of service with a different order of events, and is generally not applicable to the fast-food industry.

[hotdogPi]

Drive through restaurants are still open? Thought it was just takeout.

What are you thinking of as "takeout"?  Maybe you mean "delivery", as common for pizza places, Chinese, Door Dash and other services, etc. - and now a whole lot more restaurants that didn't have delivery services before.

My definition of "takeout" is where you go to the place, pick up your order, and "take it out" with you.  Drive-thru is the epitome of that.

To me, "takeout" would mean you go inside the restaurant and order "to go," as opposed to "for here," the difference in normal times being that when you order "for here" they put your food on a tray that you then take to a table to eat your food, whereas when you order "to go" they put it in  a bag and you normally leave with it... In my mind I distinguish the drive-thru from "takeout," although there probably isn't really any good reason for distinguishing between the two. I don't normally hear people using the term "takeout" except, perhaps, in reference to Chinese restaurants ("Chinese takeout").*

"To go" is generally used for fast food places, while "takeout" is generally used for other types of restaurants, like dine-in, and Chinese, as you mentioned. The difference is that you can walk right up to the counter at McDonalds or Wendys, place your order, and get your food right away, hence "to go". Not the case at non-fast-food restaurants, where you'd be advised to place your order online or call it in in advance, to avoid a lengthy wait.

The only practical point of distinction between the drive-thru and to-go is your physical location (at the counter vs. in your car) when you place your order. So that's not a very important distinction to make, but takeout, on the other hand, is distinct from the other two because it's a much slower type of service with a different order of events.

Several chain restaurants in this area explicitly have to-go areas labeled, and they're not fast food.

I sometimes jokingly pronounce it Togo, just like the country.

[bandit957]

As for the protestors, I am firmly on their side. To me, it's not an issue of the economy, although I understand that people need to be able to work and pay their bills. To me, it's about freedom. How many constitutional rights have been cast aside because people are scared of getting sick? In Kentucky, three of the First Amendment freedoms have been violated -- freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, and with the governor's decree banishing protestors to staying in their cars on the top level of the parking garage where they can't be seen or heard when he's doing his daily press conference/briefing, freedom to petition the governor for redress of grievances. The forced closure of businesses violates the "takings" clause because the government has taken away property from individuals by means other than eminent domain and has not offered just compensation. Restrictions on travel and store closures also likely violate the interstate commerce clause. I equate these protestors with the American revolutionaries of the 1770s because they are fighting for the same rights.

If basic rights aren't applicable in a time of crisis, they are worthless. They should especially be valid in times like these. The fact that people are voluntarily surrendering them for a false sense of safety scares me.

The lockdowns have to go, but I think the protests might be delaying this process.

[webny99]

Several chain restaurants in this area explicitly have to-go areas labeled, and they're not fast food.

That may be, but the concept of to-go is unique to cases where you place your order in person right then and there. It's essentially synonymous with "on-demand".

If you're ordering off-site ahead of time, either by phone or online, then it's takeout.
If you're ordering in person and expecting your order right away, then you're either getting fast food, or wasting your time (or both, in some cases...)

[1995hoo]

Drive through restaurants are still open? Thought it was just takeout.

What are you thinking of as "takeout"?  Maybe you mean "delivery", as common for pizza places, Chinese, Door Dash and other services, etc. - and now a whole lot more restaurants that didn't have delivery services before.

My definition of "takeout" is where you go to the place, pick up your order, and "take it out" with you.  Drive-thru is the epitome of that.

To me, "takeout" would mean you go inside the restaurant and order "to go," as opposed to "for here," the difference in normal times being that when you order "for here" they put your food on a tray that you then take to a table to eat your food, whereas when you order "to go" they put it in  a bag and you normally leave with it... In my mind I distinguish the drive-thru from "takeout," although there probably isn't really any good reason for distinguishing between the two. I don't normally hear people using the term "takeout" except, perhaps, in reference to Chinese restaurants ("Chinese takeout").*

"To go" is generally used for fast food places, while "takeout" is generally used for other types of restaurants, like dine-in, and Chinese, as you mentioned. The difference is that you can walk right up to the counter at McDonalds or Wendys, place your order, and get your food right away, hence "to go". Not the case at other types of restaurants, where you'd be advised to place your order online or call it in in advance to avoid a lengthy wait.

The only practical point of distinction between the drive-thru and to-go is your physical location (at the counter vs. in your car) when you place your order. So that's not a very important distinction to make, but takeout, on the other hand, is distinct from the other two because it's a much slower type of service with a different order of events, and is generally not applicable to the fast-food industry.

Prior to the pandemic situation, the term "takeout" hasn't really used a lot around here anyway, except sometimes in reference to Chinese restaurants. Pizza places sometimes use the word "carryout" to refer to someone going there to pick up the pizza as a way of distinguishing from "delivery."

I have heard the term "takeout" used in fast-food places in Brooklyn on occasion, but then they also don't say "for here"–they seem to prefer "to stay," as in "do you want this to stay or for takeout?" Maybe it's a regionalism because I've never heard that formulation outside of Brooklyn.

[Scott5114]

As for the protestors, I am firmly on their side. To me, it's not an issue of the economy, although I understand that people need to be able to work and pay their bills. To me, it's about freedom.

Shouldn't I be free to not catch the virus? As long as there's a lockdown, I'm free from the tyranny of the economy forcing me to interact with the dipshit general public.

[kalvado]

Drive through restaurants are still open? Thought it was just takeout.

What are you thinking of as "takeout"?  Maybe you mean "delivery", as common for pizza places, Chinese, Door Dash and other services, etc. - and now a whole lot more restaurants that didn't have delivery services before.

My definition of "takeout" is where you go to the place, pick up your order, and "take it out" with you.  Drive-thru is the epitome of that.

To me, "takeout" would mean you go inside the restaurant and order "to go," as opposed to "for here," the difference in normal times being that when you order "for here" they put your food on a tray that you then take to a table to eat your food, whereas when you order "to go" they put it in  a bag and you normally leave with it... In my mind I distinguish the drive-thru from "takeout," although there probably isn't really any good reason for distinguishing between the two. I don't normally hear people using the term "takeout" except, perhaps, in reference to Chinese restaurants ("Chinese takeout").*

"To go" is generally used for fast food places, while "takeout" is generally used for other types of restaurants, like dine-in, and Chinese, as you mentioned. The difference is that you can walk right up to the counter at McDonalds or Wendys, place your order, and get your food right away, hence "to go". Not the case at other types of restaurants, where you'd be advised to place your order online or call it in in advance to avoid a lengthy wait.

The only practical point of distinction between the drive-thru and to-go is your physical location (at the counter vs. in your car) when you place your order. So that's not a very important distinction to make, but takeout, on the other hand, is distinct from the other two because it's a much slower type of service with a different order of events, and is generally not applicable to the fast-food industry.

Prior to the pandemic situation, the term "takeout" hasn't really used a lot around here anyway, except sometimes in reference to Chinese restaurants. Pizza places sometimes use the word "carryout" to refer to someone going there to pick up the pizza as a way of distinguishing from "delivery."

I have heard the term "takeout" used in fast-food places in Brooklyn on occasion, but then they also don't say "for here"–they seem to prefer "to stay," as in "do you want this to stay or for takeout?" Maybe it's a regionalism because I've never heard that formulation outside of Brooklyn.

Looks like we need a map, similar to soda/cola/pop one

[Brandon]

As for the protestors, I am firmly on their side. To me, it's not an issue of the economy, although I understand that people need to be able to work and pay their bills. To me, it's about freedom. How many constitutional rights have been cast aside because people are scared of getting sick? In Kentucky, three of the First Amendment freedoms have been violated -- freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, and with the governor's decree banishing protestors to staying in their cars on the top level of the parking garage where they can't be seen or heard when he's doing his daily press conference/briefing, freedom to petition the governor for redress of grievances. The forced closure of businesses violates the "takings" clause because the government has taken away property from individuals by means other than eminent domain and has not offered just compensation. Restrictions on travel and store closures also likely violate the interstate commerce clause. I equate these protestors with the American revolutionaries of the 1770s because they are fighting for the same rights.

If basic rights aren't applicable in a time of crisis, they are worthless. They should especially be valid in times like these. The fact that people are voluntarily surrendering them for a false sense of safety scares me.

The lockdowns have to go, but I think the protests might be delaying this process.

They're not the only ones.  Here's this gem from JB Priztker (Illinois Governor) today:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-illinois-peak-pritzker-20200421-wkf3uakc2bb7ph6iy6okfkyjqa-story.html

The virus' peak had been expected in mid-to late April, but Pritzker said that's no longer the case in part because people have been adhering to his stay-at-home order.

"So it's been pushed out now, according to the models, to maybe mid-May, but at a lower level, and so we're moving, inching toward that date," Pritzker said during an online interview on The Washington Post Live.

So basically, since we've been "good" and stayed home, we pushed the "peak" back and have to stay home some more.

That's pretty fucked in the head, IMHO.

[SSOWorld]

Am I the only person who is terrified to even go into a store or a business now?

I don't know about that, but I'm not terrified. The likelihood that any one person you may encounter has the virus is extremely low, and the odds are that you will catch it from an encounter with them are even lower.

As for the protestors, I am firmly on their side. To me, it's not an issue of the economy, although I understand that people need to be able to work and pay their bills. To me, it's about freedom. How many constitutional rights have been cast aside because people are scared of getting sick? In Kentucky, three of the First Amendment freedoms have been violated -- freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, and with the governor's decree banishing protestors to staying in their cars on the top level of the parking garage where they can't be seen or heard when he's doing his daily press conference/briefing, freedom to petition the governor for redress of grievances. The forced closure of businesses violates the "takings" clause because the government has taken away property from individuals by means other than eminent domain and has not offered just compensation. Restrictions on travel and store closures also likely violate the interstate commerce clause. I equate these protestors with the American revolutionaries of the 1770s because they are fighting for the same rights.

If basic rights aren't applicable in a time of crisis, they are worthless. They should especially be valid in times like these. The fact that people are voluntarily surrendering them for a false sense of safety scares me.

OK Boomer.

Freedom to do what?  Die? 

The efforts to contain this are being countered because a bunch of dipshits felt they need to gather in close proximity to each other and risk theirs and others health so that their "word" is heard - with orange-stripe backing them (very unprofessional).

but of course, you won't hear, you only see the constitutions for what you want to see it for.  Do you see any further than 5 inches in front of your face? no? Didn't think so.

[SSOWorld]

As for the protestors, I am firmly on their side. To me, it's not an issue of the economy, although I understand that people need to be able to work and pay their bills. To me, it's about freedom. How many constitutional rights have been cast aside because people are scared of getting sick? In Kentucky, three of the First Amendment freedoms have been violated -- freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, and with the governor's decree banishing protestors to staying in their cars on the top level of the parking garage where they can't be seen or heard when he's doing his daily press conference/briefing, freedom to petition the governor for redress of grievances. The forced closure of businesses violates the "takings" clause because the government has taken away property from individuals by means other than eminent domain and has not offered just compensation. Restrictions on travel and store closures also likely violate the interstate commerce clause. I equate these protestors with the American revolutionaries of the 1770s because they are fighting for the same rights.

If basic rights aren't applicable in a time of crisis, they are worthless. They should especially be valid in times like these. The fact that people are voluntarily surrendering them for a false sense of safety scares me.

The lockdowns have to go, but I think the protests might be delaying this process.

They're not the only ones.  Here's this gem from JB Priztker (Illinois Governor) today:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-illinois-peak-pritzker-20200421-wkf3uakc2bb7ph6iy6okfkyjqa-story.html

The virus' peak had been expected in mid-to late April, but Pritzker said that's no longer the case in part because people have been adhering to his stay-at-home order.

"So it's been pushed out now, according to the models, to maybe mid-May, but at a lower level, and so we're moving, inching toward that date," Pritzker said during an online interview on The Washington Post Live.

So basically, since we've been "good" and stayed home, we pushed the "peak" back and have to stay home some more.

That's pretty fucked in the head, IMHO.

tell that to the protesters.

[Brandon]

As for the protestors, I am firmly on their side. To me, it's not an issue of the economy, although I understand that people need to be able to work and pay their bills. To me, it's about freedom. How many constitutional rights have been cast aside because people are scared of getting sick? In Kentucky, three of the First Amendment freedoms have been violated -- freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, and with the governor's decree banishing protestors to staying in their cars on the top level of the parking garage where they can't be seen or heard when he's doing his daily press conference/briefing, freedom to petition the governor for redress of grievances. The forced closure of businesses violates the "takings" clause because the government has taken away property from individuals by means other than eminent domain and has not offered just compensation. Restrictions on travel and store closures also likely violate the interstate commerce clause. I equate these protestors with the American revolutionaries of the 1770s because they are fighting for the same rights.

If basic rights aren't applicable in a time of crisis, they are worthless. They should especially be valid in times like these. The fact that people are voluntarily surrendering them for a false sense of safety scares me.

The lockdowns have to go, but I think the protests might be delaying this process.

They're not the only ones.  Here's this gem from JB Priztker (Illinois Governor) today:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-illinois-peak-pritzker-20200421-wkf3uakc2bb7ph6iy6okfkyjqa-story.html

The virus' peak had been expected in mid-to late April, but Pritzker said that's no longer the case in part because people have been adhering to his stay-at-home order.

"So it's been pushed out now, according to the models, to maybe mid-May, but at a lower level, and so we're moving, inching toward that date," Pritzker said during an online interview on The Washington Post Live.

So basically, since we've been "good" and stayed home, we pushed the "peak" back and have to stay home some more.

That's pretty fucked in the head, IMHO.

tell that to the protesters.

Did you bother to read the article?  It's not the protesters here, it's a governor saying that because we flattened the curve, we have to stay in more.  Excuse me, but that's fucked in the head.