Local destinations that accurately look like they're for far away places

Started by hotdogPi, May 06, 2020, 08:23:45 AM

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STLmapboy

Missouri has a Paris, Mexico, Cuba, Houston, Cairo (different from IL), Amsterdam, Sweden, and even a butchered redneck spelling of the capital of Afghanistan (Cabool), so the signs reflect a lot of different places.
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hbelkins

Quote from: GaryV on May 06, 2020, 12:43:47 PM
Here's a better one.

SB I-95 at US-64 to Nashville (NC) would also be the route to Nashville TN.

US 64 doesn't go to Nashville, Tenn.
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Quote from: hbelkins on May 07, 2020, 11:31:35 AM
Quote from: GaryV on May 06, 2020, 12:43:47 PM
Here's a better one.

SB I-95 at US-64 to Nashville (NC) would also be the route to Nashville TN.

US 64 doesn't go to Nashville, Tenn.

Not directly.  But from that area of I-95, you would first take US-64 in your path to Nashville TN.

Given that it's one of the OP's examples, I think that's what the OP was thinking.

kphoger

Quote from: STLmapboy on May 07, 2020, 09:52:29 AM
Missouri has a Paris, Mexico, Cuba, Houston, Cairo (different from IL), Amsterdam, Sweden, and even a butchered redneck spelling of the capital of Afghanistan (Cabool), so the signs reflect a lot of different places.

But none of those signs are on highways that lead to those far-away destinations.  So they don't qualify.

And Cabool is simply an older way of spelling Kabul.

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skluth

Quote from: kphoger on May 06, 2020, 12:51:26 PM
Quote from: GaryV on May 06, 2020, 12:34:27 PM
Springfield, IL:
-- Coming down I-55 from Chicago, signs could apply to both Springfield IL and MO  (and would have kept on the same route when it was US-66)

the near location is more "famous" than the away location

Despite your assertion that the nearer one is the one that would more readily come to mind, I still find it interesting.  However, I think the same condition would apply at the western end:  people traveling east wouldn't naturally think of Springfield, IL.

Try living in St Louis. I spent most of my career there. We got a lot of visitors from both the Illinois and Missouri cities. Both groups would automatically assume you knew which one they came from because theirs was the only Springfield in their minds.

kphoger

Quote from: skluth on May 07, 2020, 03:08:23 PM

Quote from: kphoger on May 06, 2020, 12:51:26 PM
Springfield

Try living in St Louis. I spent most of my career there. We got a lot of visitors from both the Illinois and Missouri cities. Both groups would automatically assume you knew which one they came from because theirs was the only Springfield in their minds.

Oh, yeah!  Even though I lived not too far away from Saint Louis for a while (southern Illinois), that never occurred to me until you pointed it out just now.

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Quote from: GaryV on May 07, 2020, 11:32:59 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 07, 2020, 11:31:35 AM
Quote from: GaryV on May 06, 2020, 12:43:47 PM
Here's a better one.

SB I-95 at US-64 to Nashville (NC) would also be the route to Nashville TN.

US 64 doesn't go to Nashville, Tenn.

Not directly.  But from that area of I-95, you would first take US-64 in your path to Nashville TN.

Given that it's one of the OP's examples, I think that's what the OP was thinking.

I think this is exactly right. You would indeed take US-64 west to Raleigh to connect to I-40 to connect to pretty much anywhere in Tennessee from that portion of I-95. It's far more direct than continuing down I-95 to make a direct connection to I-40–the latter option adds significant distance from the I-95/US-64 interchange to the eastern I-40/I-440 interchange (it's about 48.5 miles from the start of the C/D road on I-95 if you use US-64, whereas it's about 85 miles if you stay on I-95 to I-40).

In my first example in Reply #1, while I-64 doesn't go to South Carolina at all (much less Charleston, South Carolina), and I-77 serves South Carolina but doesn't make it all the way down to Charleston, the I-64 to I-77 combo is clearly the logical route you would take to get to Charlie South from Huntington, West Virginia, even though it isn't the complete route.
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Quote from: bing101 on May 12, 2020, 04:39:13 PM
I-40 east with the control city of Santa Rosa. Yes it's accurate but for New Mexico and not for Santa Rosa, CA.

You would not take I-40 east to get to Santa Rosa, CA. This thread is for those where the far-away destination is accurate.
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doorknob60

US-20 in Newport, OR has a control city for Toledo, 7 miles away. But you could take US-20 all the way to Toledo, OH (roughly 2500 miles away sticking to US-20).

webny99

Would this sign qualify?
It could be referring to Rochester, NY, as well as Rochester, MN.

However, two small problems:
(1) I-90 does not pass directly through Rochester, NY.
(2) Rochester, NY, is not the "obvious" destination. I don't think it's significantly more well-known than Rochester, MN.

doorknob60

Quote from: webny99 on May 12, 2020, 09:12:05 PM
Would this sign qualify?
It could be referring to Rochester, NY, as well as Rochester, MN.

However, two small problems:
(1) I-90 does not pass directly through Rochester, NY.
(2) Rochester, NY, is not the "obvious" destination. I don't think it's significantly more well-known than Rochester, MN.

I count it. As someone with no connection to either MN or NY, I am definitely more familiar/aware with the NY one and it's the first one to come to mind when I hear "Rochester". And while I-90 doesn't directly pass through it, it definitely serves it, and passes directly through its suburbs. Good enough.

webny99

Quote from: doorknob60 on May 13, 2020, 03:16:42 PM
As someone with no connection to either MN or NY, I am definitely more familiar/aware with the NY one and it's the first one to come to mind when I hear "Rochester".

OK, good, that's kinda what I wanted to hear!  :D
I know Rochester, MN, is more well known at least within Minnesota and the Upper Midwest, but I really had no priors about which is more well known in parts of the country that are far away from both.

kphoger

Having traveled to and from the Twin Cities quite a bit and never having been to New York, I know the Minnesota one better.  I'm really only aware of the New York one because of you, webny99.

This in no way implies I am typical.  But I might be.  At least in this respect.

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Quote from: kphoger on May 13, 2020, 04:01:47 PM
Having traveled to and from the Twin Cities quite a bit and never having been to New York, I know the Minnesota one better.  I'm really only aware of the New York one because of you, webny99.

Well, why else would I be here so regularly except to get my hometown some free publicity?   :D


Quote from: kphoger on May 13, 2020, 04:01:47 PM
This in no way implies I am typical.  But I might be.  At least in this respect.

Speaking very generally, I would have expected the Minnesota one to be better known in the entire extended Midwest, possibly excluding Ohio. West of the Rockies, it's probably a bit more ambiguous since they're both so far away. Same for the Deep South.

I would also expect Rochester, MN, to be better-known among people in the health and medical industries, because it's the home of the world-famous Mayo Clinic, consistently ranked among the best hospitals/care facilities around.

Eth

Quote from: webny99 on May 13, 2020, 04:31:48 PM
Speaking very generally, I would have expected the Minnesota one to be better known in the entire extended Midwest, possibly excluding Ohio. West of the Rockies, it's probably a bit more ambiguous since they're both so far away. Same for the Deep South.

If you'd like a Deep South data point, I know that if I see just an unspecified "Rochester" I immediately think New York. Note that I've never been to either MN or NY (outside NYC).

webny99

Quote from: Eth on May 13, 2020, 04:42:31 PM
If you'd like a Deep South data point...

Sure, this is great! I'm getting more than I bargained for.

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Being from Utah, when I hear "Rochester" unspecified I only think of the one in NY. I wouldn't actually know the one in MN existed if not for this forum.

citrus

I'll add on to the chorus that "Rochester" refers to New York, both here in California, and where I grew up (in Rhode Island). My wife's a doctor, and while she's very familiar with the Mayo Clinic, that doesn't mean she knows where it is beyond "somewhere in Minnesota". Whereas I encounter folks from U of R or RIT more than occasionally, both which claim "Rochester" in the name.

From a roadgeek perspective, Rochester MN isn't _really_ on I-90, nor does it have 3dis, where clearly Rochester NY was important enough to merit a few of them when the Interstates were being established.

empirestate

Quote from: webny99 on May 13, 2020, 04:31:48 PM
Speaking very generally, I would have expected the Minnesota one to be better known in the entire extended Midwest, possibly excluding Ohio. West of the Rockies, it's probably a bit more ambiguous since they're both so far away. Same for the Deep South.

I would also expect Rochester, MN, to be better-known among people in the health and medical industries, because it's the home of the world-famous Mayo Clinic, consistently ranked among the best hospitals/care facilities around.

No question that Rochester, NY is the "principal" one, in the view of the general public. It's the older, larger and more culturally significant one (at least in its heyday when the basis for opinions like this were being formed). And even on the medical front, the University of Rochester [NY] Medical Center is no slouch in its field.

More generally for institutional association, if Rochester, MN->Mayo Clinic, then Rochester, NY->Kodak. That playing field being thus leveled, we're left for comparison with the overall greater influence of the NY city.

kphoger

The difference between Mayo Clinic and Kodak is that the clinic is the destination of people from all over the country, and one they talk to their friends and family about.

However, when I've heard most people refer to Mayo Clinic's location, they usually just say "up in Minnesota".

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Quote from: empirestate on May 15, 2020, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 13, 2020, 04:31:48 PM
Speaking very generally, I would have expected the Minnesota one to be better known in the entire extended Midwest, possibly excluding Ohio. West of the Rockies, it's probably a bit more ambiguous since they're both so far away. Same for the Deep South.

I would also expect Rochester, MN, to be better-known among people in the health and medical industries, because it's the home of the world-famous Mayo Clinic, consistently ranked among the best hospitals/care facilities around.

No question that Rochester, NY is the "principal" one, in the view of the general public. It's the older, larger and more culturally significant one (at least in its heyday when the basis for opinions like this were being formed). And even on the medical front, the University of Rochester [NY] Medical Center is no slouch in its field.

More generally for institutional association, if Rochester, MN->Mayo Clinic, then Rochester, NY->Kodak. That playing field being thus leveled, we're left for comparison with the overall greater influence of the NY city.

My grandfather went to Univ. of Rochester (NY) Medical School, so oddly I tend to think of that for medicine over Rochester MN. Also never been to MN so the double dose of bias directs my brain in that way.

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Quote from: Eth on May 13, 2020, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 13, 2020, 04:31:48 PM
Speaking very generally, I would have expected the Minnesota one to be better known in the entire extended Midwest, possibly excluding Ohio. West of the Rockies, it's probably a bit more ambiguous since they're both so far away. Same for the Deep South.

If you'd like a Deep South data point, I know that if I see just an unspecified "Rochester" I immediately think New York. Note that I've never been to either MN or NY (outside NYC).

Being from Ohio, an unqualified reference to Rochester will bring NY to my mind before MN - unless there's other context like "Mayo Clinic"
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Quote from: kphoger on May 15, 2020, 01:45:08 PM
The difference between Mayo Clinic and Kodak is that the clinic is the destination of people from all over the country, and one they talk to their friends and family about.

That's the difference today, but at one time, Kodak would have better fit that category. While it no longer holds that prominence, its effect on the city's reputation persists. Once-powerful industrial cities, while they may today be in decline, remain household names, even when larger or faster-growing cities elsewhere are not yet.

webny99

Quote from: empirestate on May 15, 2020, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 15, 2020, 01:45:08 PM
The difference between Mayo Clinic and Kodak is that the clinic is the destination of people from all over the country, and one they talk to their friends and family about.
That's the difference today, but at one time, Kodak would have better fit that category. While it no longer holds that prominence, its effect on the city's reputation persists.

Absolutely. We'll often take first-time visitors on a drive through Kodak Park. It's still a fascinating area, albeit largely deserted these days. Kodak Center is still a great events venue, too.



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