Coronavirus pandemic

[ixnay]

Evidently, Ohio is already opening swimming pools on May 26 - which is stunningly early considering how late Ohio is at everything.

Kentucky and Ohio are actually pretty far ahead of California.

Pools? Can covid be transmitted through water? Can you swim with a mask?

Chlorine kills it.

Does salt water kill it as well?  And what if you take a dip in a freshwater lake?

ixnay

[kalvado]

Snohomish County is starting to look into some pneumonia cases from December that may have been undetected COVID-19. It was likely in the community long before we had our first confirmed case in late January.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/antibody-test-results-of-2-snohomish-county-residents-throw-into-question-timeline-of-coronaviruss-u-s-arrival/

I came down with an unusually strong cold in mid-January after some other people in my class sat near me while coughing away. Perhaps I should order a test for antibodies.

as far as I understand, X-ray they show has no similarity to covid images.

[SEWIGuy]

Evidently, Ohio is already opening swimming pools on May 26 - which is stunningly early considering how late Ohio is at everything.

Kentucky and Ohio are actually pretty far ahead of California.

Pools? Can covid be transmitted through water? Can you swim with a mask?

Chlorine kills it.

Does salt water kill it as well?  And what if you take a dip in a freshwater lake?

ixnay

No idea. The question was asked in the context of swimming pools opening.

[ET21]

Illinois announced that we're on tracked for a phase 3 shift by the end of this month. This means most non-essential businesses will be allowed to open with safety precautions in place. Some have already reopened after submitting a plan to the state health dept.

Chicago's mayor is also looking for ideas on how to continue some annual summertime activities in the city with input from the public. One idea brought up was drive-in concerts, similar to a drive-in movie theater.

This is all however as Cook County became the county with the highest amount of cases in the country, likely due to more widespread testing that has become available in the past couple of weeks. Also, some collar county sheriffs of Chicago are beginning to "rebel" against the stay at home by proclaiming they will not prosecute anyone who disobeys the order. This is due to these counties being linked to more densely populated Cook and DuPage counties in health regions, which were drawn based on available hospital capacity

[hotdogPi]

This is all however as Cook County became the county with the highest amount of cases in the country

This is based more on county population (Cook ranks second behind only Los Angeles) than anything else.

[LM117]

Our governor has delayed Phase One of reopening for Northern VA until May 28.

https://www.governor.virginia.gov/newsroom/all-releases/2020/may/headline-856741-en.html

It's also been delayed for Accomack County and the city of Richmond.

https://www.governor.virginia.gov/newsroom/all-releases/2020/may/headline-856796-en.html

[bandit957]

I downloaded a new contact tracing app called NOVID. It was developed by a professor in Pittsburgh. It's supposed to be very secure, and it uses contact tracing to help find cases of this virus.

[jemacedo9]

Ocean City MD has lifted its ban on non-essential hotel and short-term lodging ban, and has lifted it's 14-day quarantine requirement for travelers from NY, NJ, or CT.

Meanwhile, DE has stated they will continue to patrol commonly traveled routes by out-of-state drivers to enforce Carney's self-quarantine requirement. Travelers will be stopped, asked some questions and given information about the 14-day quarantine.

One can avoid DE from the northeast to go to OCMD...if they want...but not easily...and not quickly.

[tradephoric]

California coronavirus deaths hit stubborn plateau; experts fearful about future
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-11/california-coronavirus-deaths-have-reached-stubborn-plateau

"If we were to see the kind of spike that's predicted in that model, that would be extraordinarily worrisome,"  said Barbara Ferrer, director of public health for Los Angeles County, which so far has seen 56% of all of California's coronavirus deaths despite being home to one-quarter of the state's population.

If the model's projections became reality, Ferrer said that would result in an even slower reopening of society in L.A. County or force the nation's most populous county to reimplement stricter stay-at-home measures. L.A. County implemented its first major easing of stay-at-home measures on Friday, allowing some retail businesses to open for curbside pickup, and plans to reopen beaches for active recreation this week.

Right now California is reporting nearly as many daily deaths as New York even as an influential model is forecasting that California will see a large increases in projected cumulative deaths by August.  This has led to LA County to extend their lock down measures for another 3 months.  But if California is unable to lower the daily deaths, what good are the current lock down orders doing?  A state could average 1000 deaths per day for 18 days (think New York) or a state could average 100 deaths per day for the next 6 months (think California).  Overall the deaths are the same.

[Eth]

One can avoid DE from the northeast to go to OCMD...if they want...but not easily...and not quickly.

Best I can tell, it would add about 1:45 to the trip (I-95, US 322, US 1, PA 841, MD 213, US 301, MD 213, US 50; you might shave off a couple more minutes with MD 313, but it's negligible).

[RobbieL2415]

Ocean City MD has lifted its ban on non-essential hotel and short-term lodging ban, and has lifted it's 14-day quarantine requirement for travelers from NY, NJ, or CT.

Meanwhile, DE has stated they will continue to patrol commonly traveled routes by out-of-state drivers to enforce Carney's self-quarantine requirement. Travelers will be stopped, asked some questions and given information about the 14-day quarantine.

One can avoid DE from the northeast to go to OCMD...if they want...but not easily...and not quickly.

Or just invoke their right to remain silent.

[jakeroot]

King County [Seattle, Bellevue] records no new coronavirus deaths for first time in over 2 months: KOMO News, Seattle.

Public health officials said 86 new cases of coronavirus were confirmed over the past 24 hours in King County - but not a single death. It was the first time that King County had recorded no new coronavirus deaths in a 24-hour period since March 7.

The number of deaths and confirmed cases is rising at a slower rate than at the peak of the outbreak in late March and early April, but health experts say it is still too soon to begin moving to Phase 2 of the recovery in most parts of the state.

[jemacedo9]

One can avoid DE from the northeast to go to OCMD...if they want...but not easily...and not quickly.

Best I can tell, it would add about 1:45 to the trip (I-95, US 322, US 1, PA 841, MD 213, US 301, MD 213, US 50; you might shave off a couple more minutes with MD 313, but it's negligible).

DE troopers are not patrolling I-95, I-295,or I-495, so you wouldn't have to veer into PA at all...you could jump off at MD 279 to MD 213.  And you could actually take MD 213 to MD 313 to US 301 and that is a little faster. 

But it's absurd.

[oscar]

One can avoid DE from the northeast to go to OCMD...if they want...but not easily...and not quickly.

Best I can tell, it would add about 1:45 to the trip (I-95, US 322, US 1, PA 841, MD 213, US 301, MD 213, US 50; you might shave off a couple more minutes with MD 313, but it's negligible).

DE troopers are not patrolling I-95, I-295,or I-495, so you wouldn't have to veer into PA at all...you could jump off at MD 279 to MD 213.  And you could actually take MD 213 to MD 313 to US 301 and that is a little faster.

That's been my understanding, the focus was on routes heading to southern Delaware beach towns.

Whether Ocean City MD has opened up enough to be worth the hassle is another question.

[kphoger]

So...  I was reading about the Asian Flu (H2N2) and Hong Kong Flu (H3N2) pandemics, from 1657-8 and 1968-9 respectively.

H2N2
Worldwide death toll = 2 million
US death toll = 69 800

H3N2
Worldwide death toll = 1 million
US death toll = 100 000

In both cases, a vaccine became available within one year of the start of the pandemic.  In the case of H3N2, it was available just four months in.  My, how times have bureaucratic red tape has changed since then.

[kalvado]

So...  I was reading about the Asian Flu (H2N2) and Hong Kong Flu (H3N2) pandemics, from 1657-8 and 1968-9 respectively.

H2N2
Worldwide death toll = 2 million
US death toll = 69 800

H3N2
Worldwide death toll = 1 million
US death toll = 100 000

In both cases, a vaccine became available within one year of the start of the pandemic.  In the case of H3N2, it was available just four months in.  My, how times have bureaucratic red tape has changed since then.

Not sure what you mean. Flu vaccine is a known technology; much less so for a completely differnt virus. Still, 1 year is a possible (pretty optimistic) timeframe for the vaccine.
As for deaths and quarantines - US is at 88k deaths right now, and number would be much worse without drastic measures 

[kphoger]

So...  I was reading about the Asian Flu (H2N2) and Hong Kong Flu (H3N2) pandemics, from 1657-8 and 1968-9 respectively.

H2N2
Worldwide death toll = 2 million
US death toll = 69 800

H3N2
Worldwide death toll = 1 million
US death toll = 100 000

In both cases, a vaccine became available within one year of the start of the pandemic.  In the case of H3N2, it was available just four months in.  My, how times have bureaucratic red tape has changed since then.

Not sure what you mean. Flu vaccine is a known technology; much less so for a completely differnt virus. Still, 1 year is a possible (pretty optimistic) timeframe for the vaccine.
As for deaths and quarantines - US is at 88k deaths right now, and number would be much worse without drastic measures 

What I mean is that it takes a LOT longer than four months to get a vaccine through the approval process nowadays.  A year and a half is the fast-track best-case scenario.

[kalvado]

So...  I was reading about the Asian Flu (H2N2) and Hong Kong Flu (H3N2) pandemics, from 1657-8 and 1968-9 respectively.

H2N2
Worldwide death toll = 2 million
US death toll = 69 800

H3N2
Worldwide death toll = 1 million
US death toll = 100 000

In both cases, a vaccine became available within one year of the start of the pandemic.  In the case of H3N2, it was available just four months in.  My, how times have bureaucratic red tape has changed since then.

Not sure what you mean. Flu vaccine is a known technology; much less so for a completely differnt virus. Still, 1 year is a possible (pretty optimistic) timeframe for the vaccine.
As for deaths and quarantines - US is at 88k deaths right now, and number would be much worse without drastic measures 

What I mean is that it takes a LOT longer than four months to get a vaccine through the approval process nowadays.  A year and a half is the fast-track best-case scenario.

So far, there is no working candidate as far as I understand.
Also, flu vaccine is pretty much pre-approved as a concept, it is just about a specific virus flavor substituted into the process.

[jakeroot]

They had vaccines in the 1600s?

[Roadgeekteen]

They had vaccines in the 1600s?

I don't think so, the smallpox vaccine got invented in 1796.

[Max Rockatansky]

They had vaccines in the 1600s?

If I remember right vaccines started when people began experimenting with injecting themselves with known diseases.  Apparently they would do things like grind up puss from stuff like small pox and inject it via needle tip scratches.  Apparently people would often get sick but it would be less severe and render most immune from reinfection. 

[jakeroot]

They had vaccines in the 1600s?

I don't think so, the smallpox vaccine got invented in 1796.

I was responding to kphoger's comment about "the Asian Flu (H2N2) [pandemic], from 1657-8..."

[hotdogPi]

They had vaccines in the 1600s?

I don't think so, the smallpox vaccine got invented in 1796.

I was responding to kphoger's comment about "the Asian Flu (H2N2) [pandemic], from 1657-8..."

Wikipedia says it's just a typo (the 6 should be a 9).

[jakeroot]

They had vaccines in the 1600s?

I don't think so, the smallpox vaccine got invented in 1796.

I was responding to kphoger's comment about "the Asian Flu (H2N2) [pandemic], from 1657-8..."

Wikipedia says it's just a typo (the 6 should be a 9).

I did eventually figure it out. Just not used to him making errors. When I first read the comment, I genuinely thought he meant "1657-8" and spent way too long researching to make sure it was wrong. Nothing against him, of course. Just caught me off guard. Put simply, there are users here who make many errors, and some who don't.

[vdeane]

So...  I was reading about the Asian Flu (H2N2) and Hong Kong Flu (H3N2) pandemics, from 1657-8 and 1968-9 respectively.

H2N2
Worldwide death toll = 2 million
US death toll = 69 800

H3N2
Worldwide death toll = 1 million
US death toll = 100 000

In both cases, a vaccine became available within one year of the start of the pandemic.  In the case of H3N2, it was available just four months in.  My, how times have bureaucratic red tape has changed since then.

Not sure what you mean. Flu vaccine is a known technology; much less so for a completely differnt virus. Still, 1 year is a possible (pretty optimistic) timeframe for the vaccine.
As for deaths and quarantines - US is at 88k deaths right now, and number would be much worse without drastic measures 

I can't help but wonder if the fact that the coronavirus vaccine candidates are RNA vaccines, a completely unproven way to make vaccines that has never been tried before.