High Speed Roads with Stop Signs

[Max Rockatansky]

Similar concept to the thread with High Speed Roads with traffic lights, what High Speed Roads have Stop Signs?  Locally much of Academy Avenue north of Sanger and CA 180 towards Shaw Avenue is a four-lane divided highway which is signed at 65 MPH.  There is a single traffic light but the majority of major intersections are managed by way of a conventional four-way Stop Sign setup.  I always see this configuration as an oddity, what other similar examples are out there?

Example; northbound Academy Avenue at Ashlan Avenue:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7933508,-119.5558373,3a,75y,359.09h,87.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spvvU4gReDF_-aPXd6FQeXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

[webny99]

It will be interesting to see how common these are in other parts of the country.
I can only think of 2 stop signs on 55 mph roads in my area. NY 31A at NY 98, and NY 350 at Paddy Ln.
(55 is the max for non-freeways in NY, so obviously there's no stop signs on roads posted higher than 55!  ).

And what about high speed limit roads that end at a stop sign, would those be counted?
NY 19 in Hamlin NY is one such example. The limit is also 55 mph for Cross traffic, which does not have to stop here.

[Ketchup99]

Similar concept to the thread with High Speed Roads with traffic lights, what High Speed Roads have Stop Signs?  Locally much of Academy Avenue north of Sanger and CA 180 towards Shaw Avenue is a four-lane divided highway which is signed at 65 MPH.  There is a single traffic light but the majority of major intersections are managed by way of a conventional four-way Stop Sign setup.  I always see this configuration as an oddity, what other similar examples are out there?

Example; northbound Academy Avenue at Ashlan Avenue:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7933508,-119.5558373,3a,75y,359.09h,87.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spvvU4gReDF_-aPXd6FQeXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Wow. That seems plain stupid. Roads like this, to maintain 65mph speed, should probably be made RIRO in cases like this or give only the cross streets stop signs, but there's no point posting 65 if you have to stop every half mile or so.

[Max Rockatansky]

Similar concept to the thread with High Speed Roads with traffic lights, what High Speed Roads have Stop Signs?  Locally much of Academy Avenue north of Sanger and CA 180 towards Shaw Avenue is a four-lane divided highway which is signed at 65 MPH.  There is a single traffic light but the majority of major intersections are managed by way of a conventional four-way Stop Sign setup.  I always see this configuration as an oddity, what other similar examples are out there?

Example; northbound Academy Avenue at Ashlan Avenue:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7933508,-119.5558373,3a,75y,359.09h,87.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spvvU4gReDF_-aPXd6FQeXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Wow. That seems plain stupid. Roads like this, to maintain 65mph speed, should probably be made RIRO in cases like this or give only the cross streets stop signs, but there's no point posting 65 if you have to stop every half mile or so.

Until it recently it was signed as 55 MPH for what it's worth.  Essentially Academy is the primary route from Sanger towards the likes of Prather, Auberry, and Shaver Lake.

[Ketchup99]

65 seems right, I'm not questioning that. I'm pretty sure I'd go 65 too. What I am questioning is their use of stop signs...

[Max Rockatansky]

65 seems right, I'm not questioning that. I'm pretty sure I'd go 65 too. What I am questioning is their use of stop signs...

Considering it's rural Fresno County the fact that a posted speed limit is even present is somewhat unique unto itself.

[sprjus4]

Texas has many 2-lane roads posted at 70 and 75 mph that have four way stops in rural areas.

[1995hoo]

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And what about high speed limit roads that end at a stop sign, would those be counted?
NY 19 in Hamlin NY is one such example. The limit is also 55 mph for Cross traffic, which does not have to stop here.

Autoroute 15 might be an example of that, although the speed limit drops from 100 to 50 as you approach the stop sign just north of the border: https://goo.gl/maps/GnHtVfadMJs5m6hC6

US-191 in Utah is a two-lane road with a 65-mph speed limit that makes a 90-degree right turn at a stop sign at a T-intersection between Bluff and Mexican Hat. If you make a left at the stop sign, you're on US-163, which ends at that intersection but does not itself have a stop sign (it's also a two-lane road posted at 65-mph)–in other words, cross-traffic relative to the stop sign has a 65-mph speed limit and doesn't stop except to yield when turning left: https://goo.gl/maps/vT4hVnN7Goyws6K19

[kphoger]

Texas has many 2-lane roads posted at 70 and 75 mph that have four way stops in rural areas.

Or this two-way stop intersection on 75mph US-190.

[sprjus4]

75 mph FM-2678 near Refugio, TX. Street View shows 70 mph, though it has since been increased to 75 mph.

[Roadrunner75]

And what about high speed limit roads that end at a stop sign, would those be counted?

OH 11 is a freeway that ends at a stop sign.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9002239,-80.782136,3a,75y,2.77h,81.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbKX0NZMUN5s5EZLHr2J4Rw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Also, maybe not exactly high speed, but NJ 185 is an expressway (but not freeway) stub north from NJ 440 into Jersey City which ends rather abruptly at a stop sign:

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.687297,-74.0875973,3a,46.5y,61.91h,96.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZpRl5w-H2c0oFXkojkrhUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

185 was originally proposed to extend further north next to the Liberty National Golf Course to Caven Point Road, but now traffic (including a significant amount of truck traffic) is forced to make an awkward and tight "Z" movement to continue north.  A traffic light was installed at Caven Point and Linden to help with a blind turn (the big mirror wasn't cutting it!) and they recently installed a new channelized right turn lane from Linden to 185 southbound.

[ftballfan]

M-37 and M-55 meet in remote western Wexford County at a four-way STOP. Both roads have a 65 mph speed limit in this area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.2224777,-85.8058178,3a,15.8y,97.91h,88.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4wkz0BLNEOArsXv7dluYmA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (EB M-55)
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.2226438,-85.8065872,3a,20y,264.48h,84.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3MN1J0Wk0SzJB4fGrEoK4A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (WB M-55)
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.2236476,-85.8071384,3a,15.6y,352.52h,89.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svlHGz7DlYoYzC1A44fJ25w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (NB M-37)
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.2217275,-85.8061145,3a,75y,201.05h,75.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVu93XnnLwQrn0AAJPs2E5Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (SB M-37)

[bassoon1986]

Texas has many 2-lane roads posted at 70 and 75 mph that have four way stops in rural areas.

Or this two-way stop intersection on 75mph US-190.

I always think it's odd when a higher ranked route, like US 190 here, stops to a lower ranked route. I'm sure TX 163 has higher traffic volumes going north-south than 190 here.


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[RobbieL2415]

I have never seen a surface state route with a stop sign that has a speed limit greater than 45.
Our parkways have stop signs on their on-ramps and those have limits of 50/55.

[kphoger]

Texas has many 2-lane roads posted at 70 and 75 mph that have four way stops in rural areas.

Or this two-way stop intersection on 75mph US-190.

I always think it's odd when a higher ranked route, like US 190 here, stops to a lower ranked route. I'm sure TX 163 has higher traffic volumes going north-south than 190 here.

I thought that too when I posted it, but I didn't look up the AADTs until now.  And you're right.

US-190 to the west = AADT 786
US-190 to the east = AADT 996
TX-163 to the north = AADT 1444
TX-163 to the south = AADT 1551

[CapeCodder]

Before US 40/61 was upgraded to I-64 in Wentzville, there was a stop sign at the top of the ramp from 70 WB to 40/61 EB.

[keithvh]

Texas has many 2-lane roads posted at 70 and 75 mph that have four way stops in rural areas.

Or this two-way stop intersection on 75mph US-190.

I've driven through that intersection once --- it is about as remote as it gets.  On a gray Saturday afternoon in January, I'd see about 1 truck every 15 miles on US-190, and that was it.  Whatever traffic is going east/west out there is much more likely to use I-10 or US-67.

[froggie]

It will be interesting to see how common these are in other parts of the country.

In my experience, such with 55 mph limits is fairly common west of the Appalachians and in the Southeast.

With recent rural speed limit changes, I'm pretty sure Minnesota has a number of 60 MPH examples now.

In Mississippi, I don't recall if US 45 remains 65 MPH or if it slows down to 55 MPH for its stop signs at MS 14 in Macon and MS 16 in Scooba.

[webny99]

In Mississippi, I don't recall if US 45 remains 65 MPH or if it slows down to 55 MPH for its stop signs at MS 14 in Macon and MS 16 in Scooba.

The one in Scooba, at least, is 55 mph near the intersection. Those are some really weird locations for stop signs. You would think a 4-lane divided highway would either have no intersection control, or warrant a stoplight if it's a busy junction.

[CoreySamson]

US 90 Alt at TX-71 in Altair is a stop sign controlled intersection with speed limits of 70 through the intersection:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.5689914,-96.4641571,1874m/data=!3m1!1e3

[froggie]

In Mississippi, I don't recall if US 45 remains 65 MPH or if it slows down to 55 MPH for its stop signs at MS 14 in Macon and MS 16 in Scooba.

The one in Scooba, at least, is 55 mph near the intersection. Those are some really weird locations for stop signs. You would think a 4-lane divided highway would either have no intersection control, or warrant a stoplight if it's a busy junction.

Volumes on 45 barely breach 5K.  A stop sign is adequate.

[webny99]

In Mississippi, I don't recall if US 45 remains 65 MPH or if it slows down to 55 MPH for its stop signs at MS 14 in Macon and MS 16 in Scooba.

The one in Scooba, at least, is 55 mph near the intersection. Those are some really weird locations for stop signs. You would think a 4-lane divided highway would either have no intersection control, or warrant a stoplight if it's a busy junction.

Volumes on 45 barely breach 5K.  A stop sign is adequate.

Why have any form of control at all on 45, then? A 2-way stop on the state route should be good enough.

[froggie]

You'd have to ask MDOT.  Could be because the stop signs have been there since before 4-laning of US 45 and they didn't want to muck with local driver familiarity (locals being the vast majority of the traffic).

[cjk374]

Near Guntersville Lake, AL. AL 62 ends here and AL 227 resumes the route. This road (AL 62 behind this shot) is maintained for 65 MPH. A county road goes to the left to a lake resort community. No stop signs for them at all.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4396216,-86.1751353,3a,75y,76.24h,96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZqXdIbeEY2CPY50V0PF15w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en