Signs at state lines put up by one state that refer to things in the other state

[ilpt4u]

This is a very INDOT BGS Assembly, as it is before WB 80/94 enters Illinois. The only thing that would make it more INDOT would be if border lines were used on the IL 394 and IL 83 shields.

IDOT D1 doesn't usually use add-on Exit Tabs like that. The IDOT version, a mile or two down the road:

Crediting billburmaster.com's page on I-94 in IL: http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/interstate/94il.html

[bulldog1979]

This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.

[Flint1979]

This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.

I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.

[ilpt4u]

This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.

I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.

They didn't want two different "Zero"  points for I-69 statewide

The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough"  approximation.

I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original"  I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done

[EpicRoadways]

This Hudson exits sign on the Minnesota side of I-94, which replaced a WIS 35 advance sign that looked like a MnDOT made sign, while this looks like a WisDOT commission installed by MnDOT.

https://goo.gl/maps/3B5hzEZ2fKWBLeof8

Interesting that you chose that example; I was going to nominate the 'Traffic Info' sign just west of that. The trombone arm that the warning lights are mounted on and the I-94 shield just scream WisDOT. When I was younger and traveling to visit family in Chicago that sign used to be my "getting close to Wisconsin" landmark, and I'd start to get excited to cross state lines  .

[Flint1979]

This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.

I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.

They didn't want two different "Zero"  points for I-69 statewide

The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough"  approximation.

I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original"  I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done

They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.

[ilpt4u]

From the US 41/old I-164 Cloverleaf in Evansville (I hesitate to call it "I-69"  because I-69 will turn south to cross the Ohio before it gets to this point) to the Michigan/Indiana line along I-69, following I-465 along the South and East sides, is 341 miles, according to Google. Add a mile or two from where I-69 will be "new construction"  just west of the existing southside IN 37/I-465 interchange

So pretty close to somewhere near 345 miles, give or take. Is 357 correct? Obviously not. Its not disgustingly horribly wrong, tho

[Flint1979]

From the US 41/old I-164 Cloverleaf in Evansville (I hesitate to call it "I-69"  because I-69 will turn south to cross the Ohio before it gets to this point) to the Michigan/Indiana line along I-69, following I-465 along the South and East sides, is 341 miles, according to Google. Add a mile or two from where I-69 will be "new construction"  just west of the existing southside IN 37/I-465 interchange

So pretty close to somewhere near 345 miles, give or take. Is 357 correct? Obviously not. Its not disgustingly horribly wrong, tho

I got 163 miles with the allignment south of I-465, 157 miles with the allignment north of I-465 and 20 miles on I-465 for a grand total of 340 miles. I guess the route it takes through Indiana has something to do with the longer mileage, going from the northeast corner of the state to the southwest corner basically. So they should have added 183 miles instead of 200 miles, so they are off by 17 miles.

[Great Lakes Roads]

https://goo.gl/maps/hkFEDThhmo3NEzoGA

IDOT message board in Indiana on Interstate 74 WB...

https://goo.gl/maps/3j7HmQfADjnirVKS9
https://goo.gl/maps/2rSFYii2CKN9WmAT7
https://goo.gl/maps/62R6hFrzKga4xQx78

... as well as these IDOT-specs exit signs for exit 220 (Lynch Road)...

[ilpt4u]

https://goo.gl/maps/hkFEDThhmo3NEzoGA

IDOT message board in Indiana on Interstate 74 WB...

https://goo.gl/maps/3j7HmQfADjnirVKS9
https://goo.gl/maps/2rSFYii2CKN9WmAT7
https://goo.gl/maps/62R6hFrzKga4xQx78

... as well as these IDOT-specs exit signs for exit 220 (Lynch Road)...

The EB entrance ramp from Lynch Rd enters Indiana before it fully merges into I-74, because the exit is that close to the state line

[NWI_Irish96]

From the US 41/old I-164 Cloverleaf in Evansville (I hesitate to call it "I-69"  because I-69 will turn south to cross the Ohio before it gets to this point) to the Michigan/Indiana line along I-69, following I-465 along the South and East sides, is 341 miles, according to Google. Add a mile or two from where I-69 will be "new construction"  just west of the existing southside IN 37/I-465 interchange

So pretty close to somewhere near 345 miles, give or take. Is 357 correct? Obviously not. Its not disgustingly horribly wrong, tho

I got 163 miles with the allignment south of I-465, 157 miles with the allignment north of I-465 and 20 miles on I-465 for a grand total of 340 miles. I guess the route it takes through Indiana has something to do with the longer mileage, going from the northeast corner of the state to the southwest corner basically. So they should have added 183 miles instead of 200 miles, so they are off by 17 miles.

INDOT more or less admitted that adding 200 was not going to be accurate, but they felt that since the old exit numbers had existed for so long, it would be easier for people if they were increased by a round number like 200 rather than 183.

Yes, if you're traveling southbound it inaccurately describes how far it is to the state line, but it makes it easier to calculate how far it is to Indy, which is the more common destination.

[NWI_Irish96]

This is a very INDOT BGS Assembly, as it is before WB 80/94 enters Illinois. The only thing that would make it more INDOT would be if border lines were used on the IL 394 and IL 83 shields.

IDOT D1 doesn't usually use add-on Exit Tabs like that. The IDOT version, a mile or two down the road:

Crediting billburmaster.com's page on I-94 in IL: http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/interstate/94il.html

Conversely, on the other side of the state line there are IDOT signs for Exits 1 and 2 in Indiana.

[Flint1979]

From the US 41/old I-164 Cloverleaf in Evansville (I hesitate to call it "I-69"  because I-69 will turn south to cross the Ohio before it gets to this point) to the Michigan/Indiana line along I-69, following I-465 along the South and East sides, is 341 miles, according to Google. Add a mile or two from where I-69 will be "new construction"  just west of the existing southside IN 37/I-465 interchange

So pretty close to somewhere near 345 miles, give or take. Is 357 correct? Obviously not. Its not disgustingly horribly wrong, tho

I got 163 miles with the allignment south of I-465, 157 miles with the allignment north of I-465 and 20 miles on I-465 for a grand total of 340 miles. I guess the route it takes through Indiana has something to do with the longer mileage, going from the northeast corner of the state to the southwest corner basically. So they should have added 183 miles instead of 200 miles, so they are off by 17 miles.

INDOT more or less admitted that adding 200 was not going to be accurate, but they felt that since the old exit numbers had existed for so long, it would be easier for people if they were increased by a round number like 200 rather than 183.

Yes, if you're traveling southbound it inaccurately describes how far it is to the state line, but it makes it easier to calculate how far it is to Indy, which is the more common destination.

In my personal experience I know that 200 is the mile marker at the original end of I-69 at I-465. I wasn't sure until yesterday what the mileage south of I-465 was but I now know it's 163 miles. As for I-465 itself I simply just went from exit 37 to exit 4 but I think I-69 will be exit 5 when they are done.

[tdindy88]

My father attended a meeting on Section 6 last year and asked the official there about. According to the official the plan is to renumber the exit numbers north of I-465 once Section 6 is completed.

[GaryV]

This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.

I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.

They didn't want two different "Zero"  points for I-69 statewide

The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough"  approximation.

I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original"  I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done

They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.

It sure seems like it's that long - or longer!

[Flint1979]

This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.

I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.

They didn't want two different "Zero"  points for I-69 statewide

The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough"  approximation.

I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original"  I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done

They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.

It sure seems like it's that long - or longer!

It's about 275 miles from Angola, IN to Louisville, KY.

[sprjus4]

My father attended a meeting on Section 6 last year and asked the official there about. According to the official the plan is to renumber the exit numbers north of I-465 once Section 6 is completed.

Curious why they even bothered renumbering them to begin with then.

[ethanhopkin14]

SB on US 69-US 75 in OK, is this BGS between Colbert and the Red River, in advance of the TX Travel Info center, with a TX exit tab.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/6Zd34b1warjDNrdM6

I-30 in Texarkana has several advance signs as well. All these signs appear to be to TxDOT specs. So TxDOT makes the signs and must have an agreement with the other state to install them themselves.

This is one of my favorite topics.  Living in central Texas, state lines are kinda this thing that people talk about but few have seen!!!  I am fascinated with A) states that reference things beyond it's borders, because Texas doesn't really do that a lot and B) states taking their assemblies and specs and installing them in foreign territory.  The latter is exceptionally amusing when you have two bordering states with very very different signage and assembly specs!

California/Arizona:

This is Arizona sneaking into California to install this sign:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7317703,-114.6249142,3a,75y,105.38h,100.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOvcEqCy0R4K25j6KOPLRaw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

The sign before, California specs:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7326332,-114.6287271,3a,67.1y,105.01h,90.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfj80itIsunGajJtZ3Oq14A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

And before that, California specs and assembly about stuff in Arizona:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7337476,-114.635638,3a,42.2y,132.9h,92.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smz1qBVGgy04AkTtxvecTQQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

This:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4717442,-94.0277773,3a,55.3y,265.27h,85.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sS5qLJ53EYy7FBqgv2AkW9A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This exit on I-30 for State Line Drive is a mile or so inside Arkansas.  Sure the road straddles the state line, but is Texas exit numbering and Texas specs. 

[Flint1979]

My father attended a meeting on Section 6 last year and asked the official there about. According to the official the plan is to renumber the exit numbers north of I-465 once Section 6 is completed.

Curious why they even bothered renumbering them to begin with then.

Yeah good question. They went and renumbered them just to renumber them again after they are done, why not just wait until they are done and get it right the first time? INDOT doesn't make sense sometimes.

[NWI_Irish96]

My father attended a meeting on Section 6 last year and asked the official there about. According to the official the plan is to renumber the exit numbers north of I-465 once Section 6 is completed.

Curious why they even bothered renumbering them to begin with then.

Yeah good question. They went and renumbered them just to renumber them again after they are done, why not just wait until they are done and get it right the first time? INDOT doesn't make sense sometimes.

They had to renumber before the first new section opened to avoid duplication. Would be confusing to have two different exit 3s, 5s, etc.

Without knowing the final routing of I-69 over the Ohio River, there was no way to know what the final numbers should be, so they just started at 0 with the southern section and 200 with the northern section and then once the route is 100% finished they can fix it.

[GaryV]

This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.

I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.

They didn't want two different "Zero"  points for I-69 statewide

The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough"  approximation.

I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original"  I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done

They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.

It sure seems like it's that long - or longer!

It's about 275 miles from Angola, IN to Louisville, KY.

But 337 miles to Evansville.  So they're off by less than 20 miles.

[ethanhopkin14]

My father attended a meeting on Section 6 last year and asked the official there about. According to the official the plan is to renumber the exit numbers north of I-465 once Section 6 is completed.

Curious why they even bothered renumbering them to begin with then.

Yeah good question. They went and renumbered them just to renumber them again after they are done, why not just wait until they are done and get it right the first time? INDOT doesn't make sense sometimes.

They had to renumber before the first new section opened to avoid duplication. Would be confusing to have two different exit 3s, 5s, etc.

Without knowing the final routing of I-69 over the Ohio River, there was no way to know what the final numbers should be, so they just started at 0 with the southern section and 200 with the northern section and then once the route is 100% finished they can fix it.

I think it's all a waste of time and money.  I don't think anyone will get confused with duplicated exist numbers over disjointed segments of a highway.   Just wait until it's complete and do it right. We have the same thing goin on here in TExas with, you guessed it, I-69. exit numbering and mile posts are up in the Houston area, with no real idea of exactly where 0 will be, or exactly what the bypasses will be, so even if they were using US-59 centerline miles from where they thought 0 would be up to the Houston segment, they might still be wrong by a mile or so depending on how the segments in-between pan out.  Same thing with I-369, but the 0 mile post is still up in the air, so the mile posts and exits in Texarkana will 1000000% be moved again later. 

[Flint1979]

This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.

I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.

They didn't want two different "Zero"  points for I-69 statewide

The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough"  approximation.

I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original"  I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done

They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.

It sure seems like it's that long - or longer!

It's about 275 miles from Angola, IN to Louisville, KY.

But 337 miles to Evansville.  So they're off by less than 20 miles.

I know but you'd be in another state by the time you drove that many miles so my point was you can get through Indiana in under 300 miles.

[NWI_Irish96]

This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.

I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.

They didn't want two different "Zero"  points for I-69 statewide

The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough"  approximation.

I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original"  I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done

They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.

It sure seems like it's that long - or longer!

It's about 275 miles from Angola, IN to Louisville, KY.

But 337 miles to Evansville.  So they're off by less than 20 miles.

I know but you'd be in another state by the time you drove that many miles so my point was you can get through Indiana in under 300 miles.

You can get through Indiana in under 50 miles if you're going from New Buffalo to Chicago, but if you're going from Angola to Evansville it's over 300 miles no matter which way you go.

[Flint1979]

This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.

I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.

They didn't want two different "Zero"  points for I-69 statewide

The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough"  approximation.

I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original"  I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done

They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.

It sure seems like it's that long - or longer!

It's about 275 miles from Angola, IN to Louisville, KY.

But 337 miles to Evansville.  So they're off by less than 20 miles.

I know but you'd be in another state by the time you drove that many miles so my point was you can get through Indiana in under 300 miles.

You can get through Indiana in under 50 miles if you're going from New Buffalo to Chicago, but if you're going from Angola to Evansville it's over 300 miles no matter which way you go.

I know but I'm talking about going north to south.