Control Cities

[snowc]

*shrug*

No biggie either way.  I don't see any consequences of having Hazleton as the control city.

I don't have any issue with Hazleton on I-81 (and FWIW, there is a mileage sign just north of I-78 listing Wilkes-Barre & Scranton), but what I do find odd is I-80 east using Hazleton at the I-81 interchange.

You mean this sign? I went by there last week!

[Rothman]

*shrug*

No biggie either way.  I don't see any consequences of having Hazleton as the control city.

I don't have any issue with Hazleton on I-81 (and FWIW, there is a mileage sign just north of I-78 listing Wilkes-Barre & Scranton), but what I do find odd is I-80 east using Hazleton at the I-81 interchange.

I agree on that one.  They were probably thinking of PA 309 as the main conduit through the city...when PA 309's importance in the region has diminished.

My father's family is from the area.  Coming from the west, we would take I-81 south to the more used ways of getting into Hazleton.

[Roadgeekteen]

If they wanted to, they could use both Hazelton and Scranton.

[Rothman]

If they wanted to, they could use both Hazelton and Scranton.

That's crazy talk.

[dkblake]

*shrug*

No biggie either way.  I don't see any consequences of having Hazleton as the control city.

I don't have any issue with Hazleton on I-81 (and FWIW, there is a mileage sign just north of I-78 listing Wilkes-Barre & Scranton), but what I do find odd is I-80 east using Hazleton at the I-81 interchange.

Two reasons that I can see. It's directing Hazleton-bound traffic to get on I-81 south for their exits. Hazleton is also really the only logical destination for traffic going from I-80 east to I-81 south; traffic south to Harrisburg would have likely taken US 15 or 322-22 rather than go all the way over to 81 and double back.

[Roadgeekteen]

If they wanted to, they could use both Hazelton and Scranton.

That's crazy talk.

You could put Allentown/NYC on the I-78 sign.

[Rothman]

*shrug*

No biggie either way.  I don't see any consequences of having Hazleton as the control city.

I don't have any issue with Hazleton on I-81 (and FWIW, there is a mileage sign just north of I-78 listing Wilkes-Barre & Scranton), but what I do find odd is I-80 east using Hazleton at the I-81 interchange.

Two reasons that I can see. It's directing Hazleton-bound traffic to get on I-81 south for their exits. Hazleton is also really the only logical destination for traffic going from I-80 east to I-81 south; traffic south to Harrisburg would have likely taken US 15 or 322-22 rather than go all the way over to 81 and double back.

But the sign says to stay on I-80.

[dkblake]

*shrug*

No biggie either way.  I don't see any consequences of having Hazleton as the control city.

I don't have any issue with Hazleton on I-81 (and FWIW, there is a mileage sign just north of I-78 listing Wilkes-Barre & Scranton), but what I do find odd is I-80 east using Hazleton at the I-81 interchange.

Two reasons that I can see. It's directing Hazleton-bound traffic to get on I-81 south for their exits. Hazleton is also really the only logical destination for traffic going from I-80 east to I-81 south; traffic south to Harrisburg would have likely taken US 15 or 322-22 rather than go all the way over to 81 and double back.

But the sign says to stay on I-80.

Doh! Misread the post and didn't look at the photo. A+ effort there.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/CBPCDFjYtDeKnb769
Why is Harrisburg listed here and not Hazleton? Anyone traveling north on US 11/15 would have crossed the River previously on the Harvey Taylor Bridge.

[Rothman]

https://goo.gl/maps/CBPCDFjYtDeKnb769
Why is Harrisburg listed here and not Hazleton? Anyone traveling north on US 11/15 would have crossed the River previously on the Harvey Taylor Bridge.

All sorts of traffic comes up that way and not just across that bridge -- not by a long shot.  And how are you going to get back to Harrisburg, if not on I-81 north?

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/CBPCDFjYtDeKnb769
Why is Harrisburg listed here and not Hazleton? Anyone traveling north on US 11/15 would have crossed the River previously on the Harvey Taylor Bridge.

All sorts of traffic comes up that way and not just across that bridge -- not by a long shot.  And how are you going to get back to Harrisburg, if not on I-81 north?

Head south to Wormlysburg.

[Rothman]

https://goo.gl/maps/CBPCDFjYtDeKnb769
Why is Harrisburg listed here and not Hazleton? Anyone traveling north on US 11/15 would have crossed the River previously on the Harvey Taylor Bridge.

All sorts of traffic comes up that way and not just across that bridge -- not by a long shot.  And how are you going to get back to Harrisburg, if not on I-81 north?

Head south to Wormlysburg.

But at this point on your map, I'm already headed north.

[snowc]

https://goo.gl/maps/CBPCDFjYtDeKnb769
Why is Harrisburg listed here and not Hazleton? Anyone traveling north on US 11/15 would have crossed the River previously on the Harvey Taylor Bridge.

All sorts of traffic comes up that way and not just across that bridge -- not by a long shot.  And how are you going to get back to Harrisburg, if not on I-81 north?

Head south to Wormlysburg.

Isn't that a name for a worm. Or is that Wilkes Barre? 😅😂🐛

[Roadgeekteen]

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3753414,-106.6933255,3a,36.5y,144.51h,88.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szU1DzaOC_eweuwldP8BIHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

People will think I-90 east is the way to Foxborough (although it is technically). Sign Rapid City.

[JayhawkCO]

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3753414,-106.6933255,3a,36.5y,144.51h,88.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szU1DzaOC_eweuwldP8BIHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

People will think I-90 west is the way to Foxborough (although it is technically). Sign Rapid City.

Gillette is easily the largest city in that portion of Wyoming and a big hub for oil/gas production.  I'd argue more people passing through Buffalo are headed to Gillette than to Rapid City.  (More than either of those, many might be passing through both, but that doesn't mean Gillette shouldn't be signed.)

Chris

[Roadgeekteen]

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3753414,-106.6933255,3a,36.5y,144.51h,88.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szU1DzaOC_eweuwldP8BIHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

People will think I-90 west is the way to Foxborough (although it is technically). Sign Rapid City.

Gillette is easily the largest city in that portion of Wyoming and a big hub for oil/gas production.  I'd argue more people passing through Buffalo are headed to Gillette than to Rapid City.  (More than either of those, many might be passing through both, but that doesn't mean Gillette shouldn't be signed.)

Chris

Didn't know about the oil/gas

[JayhawkCO]

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3753414,-106.6933255,3a,36.5y,144.51h,88.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szU1DzaOC_eweuwldP8BIHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

People will think I-90 west is the way to Foxborough (although it is technically). Sign Rapid City.

Gillette is easily the largest city in that portion of Wyoming and a big hub for oil/gas production.  I'd argue more people passing through Buffalo are headed to Gillette than to Rapid City.  (More than either of those, many might be passing through both, but that doesn't mean Gillette shouldn't be signed.)

Chris

Didn't know about the oil/gas

And interestingly enough, Gillette actually has the highest AADT of any road in the state (on WYO59 just south of I-90).

Chris

[StogieGuy7]

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3753414,-106.6933255,3a,36.5y,144.51h,88.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szU1DzaOC_eweuwldP8BIHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

People will think I-90 west is the way to Foxborough (although it is technically). Sign Rapid City.

Gillette is easily the largest city in that portion of Wyoming and a big hub for oil/gas production.  I'd argue more people passing through Buffalo are headed to Gillette than to Rapid City.  (More than either of those, many might be passing through both, but that doesn't mean Gillette shouldn't be signed.)

Chris

Didn't know about the oil/gas

And interestingly enough, Gillette actually has the highest AADT of any road in the state (on WYO59 just south of I-90).

Chris

And, I might add, Gillette is the center of the Powder River Basin region which is America's largest coal producing area.  Sub-bituminous PRB coal is valued above most other types because it is one of the cleanest burning variants of coal and it also burns quite efficiently. It is transported to power plants all over the US and is exported to Asia as well. Like it or not, it's responsible for a lot of jobs, in the mines, power industry and railroads (most of that coal is transported via rail).  So, as Wyoming goes, Gillette is actually a pretty busy area holding a lot of jobs that pay well.

[Roadgeekteen]

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3693808,-106.6828534,3a,43.5y,310.63h,93.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_cEyZH17-9daiMN3wovhiQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Sheridan is fine but Billings should be added to the sign.

[Flint1979]

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3693808,-106.6828534,3a,43.5y,310.63h,93.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_cEyZH17-9daiMN3wovhiQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Sheridan is fine but Billings should be added to the sign.

I'm not sure about that I think it should say Billings. Sheridan is a pretty small city which somehow has more than half of it's counties population.

[Roadgeekteen]

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3693808,-106.6828534,3a,43.5y,310.63h,93.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_cEyZH17-9daiMN3wovhiQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Sheridan is fine but Billings should be added to the sign.

I'm not sure about that I think it should say Billings. Sheridan is a pretty small city which somehow has more than half of it's counties population.

Yeah I would be fine with just Billings; Wyoming likes small cities on signs for some reason.

[Roadgeekteen]

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.579943,-79.96835,3a,29.3y,259.02h,95.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxxXIFZ8uEUgs1_IqCdhaMA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

West Virginia never fails to disappoint...

[I-55]

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West Virginia never fails to disappoint...

Because we need an "O" to tell people Chillicothe is in Ohio and nothing to tell us that we're referring to Washington, PA.

And also because it should be Pittsburgh and Charleston.

[Roadgeekteen]

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.579943,-79.96835,3a,29.3y,259.02h,95.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxxXIFZ8uEUgs1_IqCdhaMA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

West Virginia never fails to disappoint...

Because we need an "O" to tell people Chillicothe is in Ohio and nothing to tell us that we're referring to Washington, PA.

And also because it should be Pittsburgh and Charleston.

Yes... I get prioritizing in-state cities, but Charleston is the state capital.

[Flint1979]

All the signs that have Washington, DC as a control city just say Washington on them. For a sign to say Washington in that part of the country most people are going to think it's Washington, DC so I would agree that a PA should be put on that sign saying Washington, PA instead of Washington. The sign should say Pittsburgh anyway.