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Covid vaccination status?

Started by hbelkins, March 04, 2021, 09:32:12 PM

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What is your covid vaccination status?

I have taken the first shot, but not yet taken the second one.
22 (16.4%)
I have taken both shots.
74 (55.2%)
I plan to take the one-dose shot when it's available in my area.
4 (3%)
My priority group is not yet eligible, but I plan to take it when I can.
16 (11.9%)
I have not had covid and I don't plan to take the shot at all.
14 (10.4%)
I've already had covid so I don't need to/don't plan to take the shot.
3 (2.2%)
I've already had covid but I do plan to take the shot.
7 (5.2%)

Total Members Voted: 134

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Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 23, 2021, 02:30:34 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 23, 2021, 08:25:12 AMReal ID. Now there's something that needs to go.

...why?

It brings us closer to a situation where a person can't function in society (including exercising basic rights such as voting) because he or she lacks a piece of paper and a way of getting that paper.  For example, when Kansas was trying to enforce a state law requiring people to show documentary proof of citizenship to register to vote, it was discovered that some people born as late as the 1920's were never issued birth certificates.  There have also been instances of people with birth certificates issued in the 1970's being refused US passports because they were born at home rather than at a hospital (the State Department hates accepting birth certificates for home births because there is no independent corroboration).

Plus, attempts to create leakproof identity verification systems can often generate a false sense of security.  Real ID, if it had existed back in 2001, would have given the 9/11 hijackers another hurdle to cross if it hadn't prevented the attack altogether, but it doesn't protect against insider threats, such as people born in the US choosing to carry out a 9/11-style plot.  There is also a fundamental problem in that birth certificates, which are still foundational identity documents, have no biometric complement and are easy to forge.
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Scott5114

And of course, the specific requirements of Real ID can lead to fun Catch-22 requirements like Oklahoma requiring a valid, unexpired ID to request a birth certificate, and you can't renew a license without a birth certificate. If they were like Maryland and didn't offer a non-Real ID-compliant license option, or you were someone born in Oklahoma and trying to get licensing in Maryland, I'm not sure how you'd even resolve that.
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jakeroot

Quote from: kphoger on April 23, 2021, 01:49:14 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 23, 2021, 02:12:40 AM
So this is all just hype and pressure?

The direness of the pandemic does not mean there's no hype or pressure.  They're not mutually exclusive.

I'll go back to the original quote:

Quote from: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 09:10:45 PM
My own brother thinks I'm making a mistake in not getting the shot. And he is typically less inclined to buy into hype and pressure than I am. I figured he would be an even more staunch resister.

My interpretation of his statement is that he views the inclination to get the COVID-19 vaccine as-soon-as-possible as someone giving into hype and pressure.

There may be some truth to it: people getting the vaccine who normally avoid things like the flu shot may be giving into some societal pressure. Especially if their MO is generally to avoid vaccines (like flu or tetanus). But I'm not convinced the COVID-19 vaccine is necessarily akin to other non-child vaccines just yet. There seems to be a lot of potential differences at this point in time. And importantly, high vaccination rates now could mean substantially reduced chance of mutation later on.

If he wants to label vaccination programs as "hype and pressure", that's fine. But I feel like it's not completely fair.

kphoger

Ah, I see what you meant now.  I just interpreted HB as saying that he considers his brother's opinion to be fairly static, not swayed by the winds of social media.

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hbelkins

Quote from: Rothman on April 23, 2021, 12:41:34 AMIn the time you would take to write the article, you can get the shot.

The minimum amount of time I would have to invest in getting a shot, assuming no line at the local Walgreen's, is 50 minutes.

15 minutes travel time
5 minutes filling out paperwork and getting the shot
15 minutes observation time
15 minutes travel time back home

I can crank out a lengthy column in about half that time.

But that assumes I want to get the shot. I don't.

Quote from: Rothman on April 23, 2021, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 23, 2021, 10:40:14 AM
For those in New York City, the city just announced that all city-run vaccine sites will now allow walk-ins age 16 and older, effective immediately.
All we need to do is get HB to NYC, now.

No need for me to go to NYC. The last time I was in the Jackson Walmart, an announcement was made over the speaker that they had shots available in the pharmacy at that time if anyone wanted one. The time before that, as I entered the store, someone was handing out brochures at the front door and asking, "Are you interested in having a covid shot today?"

Uh, no thanks.

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 23, 2021, 03:50:16 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 23, 2021, 01:49:14 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 23, 2021, 02:54:56 AM
My former employer has made getting the annual bonus contingent on getting a shot. No shot before September 30 = no extra check in November.

I have a big problem with this.  The only reason your employer can even know that you've had the vaccine is because there's an official pandemic, which suspends certain aspects of HIPAA policies.  The step from knowing something in order to ensure the health of the other employees to using that information in determination of who gets paid how much–that's a step far too big to be comfortable with.  Your employer should not be allowed to use your personal medical information in order to decide how much you get paid.

Their response to you would, no doubt, be "We're a sovereign nation," which is their response to everything when someone says they legally can't or shouldn't do something (i.e. "Oh yeah? Take us to court, then, and see what happens after we get it remanded to our tribal court system").

That bonus check (called the "Individual Development Plan" or IDP) has always already required you to undergo a biometric screening (blood is drawn and analyzed for cholesterol levels, waistline measured, heart rate measured after undergoing 5 min of cardio). This was done for free by the tribal health system, though you could opt to have your general practitioner do it for you. I don't think the exact numbers were shared with the employer, but it had to be done to get the check (I am guessing doing so garnered the tribe a discount on the group health insurance plan). Additionally, you had to sit through a bunch of training classes that were of questionable relevance to the actual job duties in a casino (fortunately it gradually went mostly online, such that one could have them going in the background while working, effectively allowing you to double dip). So it wasn't really much of a bonus at all, since you had to do extra work to get it.

Bonus checks at my employer aren't depending on health screenings, since we don't have bonus checks, but the availability of certain health insurance plans are dependent on it. Four plans are offered; to have access to two of them you have to agree to have a screening or complete an online assessment by a certain date, or those options are unavailable to you for the next year's plan. Premiums are different for smokers and non-smokers, however.

There has been concern about employers being able to require a covid shot, which may have been addressed by legislation our General Assembly passed this year (Senate Bill 8). My understanding is that of now, they can't require it because the shots are in a "Clearview approval" status, but could be made mandatory when the emergency authorization becomes permanent approval. There are lawyers salivating at the chance to file suit if employers require the shots.

Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

Scott5114

QuoteThere has been concern about employers being able to require a covid shot, which may have been addressed by legislation our General Assembly passed this year (Senate Bill 8). My understanding is that of now, they can't require it because the shots are in a "Clearview approval" status, but could be made mandatory when the emergency authorization becomes permanent approval. There are lawyers salivating at the chance to file suit if employers require the shots.

As I mentioned, though, my former employer (the Chickasaw Nation) has its own court system, so if they can get the case remanded to tribal court (which is likely to be successful, as you have to sign a consent to jurisdiction to be employed there), they can put you through no end of legal shenanigans. First off, you have to have a lawyer who is licensed to practice law in Chickasaw court...and then of course the court's expenses are paid for by the revenue of the very business you'd be suing, so that doesn't really bode well for your case.
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Rothman

Quote from: hbelkins on April 23, 2021, 05:23:58 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 23, 2021, 12:41:34 AMIn the time you would take to write the article, you can get the shot.

The minimum amount of time I would have to invest in getting a shot, assuming no line at the local Walgreen's, is 50 minutes.

15 minutes travel time
5 minutes filling out paperwork and getting the shot
15 minutes observation time
15 minutes travel time back home

I can crank out a lengthy column in about half that time.

But that assumes I want to get the shot. I don't.

Quote from: Rothman on April 23, 2021, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 23, 2021, 10:40:14 AM
For those in New York City, the city just announced that all city-run vaccine sites will now allow walk-ins age 16 and older, effective immediately.
All we need to do is get HB to NYC, now.

No need for me to go to NYC. The last time I was in the Jackson Walmart, an announcement was made over the speaker that they had shots available in the pharmacy at that time if anyone wanted one. The time before that, as I entered the store, someone was handing out brochures at the front door and asking, "Are you interested in having a covid shot today?"

Uh, no thanks.

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 23, 2021, 03:50:16 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 23, 2021, 01:49:14 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 23, 2021, 02:54:56 AM
My former employer has made getting the annual bonus contingent on getting a shot. No shot before September 30 = no extra check in November.

I have a big problem with this.  The only reason your employer can even know that you've had the vaccine is because there's an official pandemic, which suspends certain aspects of HIPAA policies.  The step from knowing something in order to ensure the health of the other employees to using that information in determination of who gets paid how much–that's a step far too big to be comfortable with.  Your employer should not be allowed to use your personal medical information in order to decide how much you get paid.

Their response to you would, no doubt, be "We're a sovereign nation," which is their response to everything when someone says they legally can't or shouldn't do something (i.e. "Oh yeah? Take us to court, then, and see what happens after we get it remanded to our tribal court system").

That bonus check (called the "Individual Development Plan" or IDP) has always already required you to undergo a biometric screening (blood is drawn and analyzed for cholesterol levels, waistline measured, heart rate measured after undergoing 5 min of cardio). This was done for free by the tribal health system, though you could opt to have your general practitioner do it for you. I don't think the exact numbers were shared with the employer, but it had to be done to get the check (I am guessing doing so garnered the tribe a discount on the group health insurance plan). Additionally, you had to sit through a bunch of training classes that were of questionable relevance to the actual job duties in a casino (fortunately it gradually went mostly online, such that one could have them going in the background while working, effectively allowing you to double dip). So it wasn't really much of a bonus at all, since you had to do extra work to get it.

Bonus checks at my employer aren't depending on health screenings, since we don't have bonus checks, but the availability of certain health insurance plans are dependent on it. Four plans are offered; to have access to two of them you have to agree to have a screening or complete an online assessment by a certain date, or those options are unavailable to you for the next year's plan. Premiums are different for smokers and non-smokers, however.

There has been concern about employers being able to require a covid shot, which may have been addressed by legislation our General Assembly passed this year (Senate Bill 8). My understanding is that of now, they can't require it because the shots are in a "Clearview approval" status, but could be made mandatory when the emergency authorization becomes permanent approval. There are lawyers salivating at the chance to file suit if employers require the shots.
Don't you worry, you stubborn old mule.  Maybe we'll get you a jab at a road meet...right when you least expect it.
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tolbs17

we need more vaccinations. Many more. My mother is forcing to get my sister to TAKE one.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:21:41 PM
we need more vaccinations. Many more. My mother is forcing to get my sister to TAKE one.

But not two?  Or is this the recently reevaluated J&J vaccine?  How you plan to capture your sister if she resists?

tolbs17

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:21:41 PM
we need more vaccinations. Many more. My mother is forcing to get my sister to TAKE one.

But not two?  Or is this the recently reevaluated J&J vaccine?  How you plan to capture your sister if she resists?
All. My sister will get it cause it's to prevent COVID-19 (and the variants) from spreading!

kkt

I got my first shot of Pfizer yesterday.  Sore arm, feeling better now.  I've never been happier to have a sore arm.

tolbs17

Quote from: kkt on April 23, 2021, 08:30:12 PM
I got my first shot of Pfizer yesterday.  Sore arm, feeling better now.  I've never been happier to have a sore arm.
The best vaccine in the world people claim.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:21:41 PM
we need more vaccinations. Many more. My mother is forcing to get my sister to TAKE one.

But not two?  Or is this the recently reevaluated J&J vaccine?  How you plan to capture your sister if she resists?
All. My sister will get it cause it's to prevent COVID-19 (and the variants) from spreading!

So she is getting all the vaccines?  Is this some sort of mad science experiment?

kkt

Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:31:47 PM
Quote from: kkt on April 23, 2021, 08:30:12 PM
I got my first shot of Pfizer yesterday.  Sore arm, feeling better now.  I've never been happier to have a sore arm.
The best vaccine in the world people claim.

I dunno.  I haven't read any way that it's better than Moderna, but it requires dry ice temperature freezers to store.

Max Rockatansky

Speaking of vaccine mixing, there seemingly was no ill effects to me having one shot Pfizer and one shot Moderna.  It's been over a week now and I didn't really make that too overt a couple pages back on how things went down with the mixed vaccines. 

hotdogPi

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:39:31 PM
Speaking of vaccine mixing, there seemingly was no ill effects to me having one shot Pfizer and one shot Moderna.  It's been over a week now and I didn't really make that too overt a couple pages back on how things went down with the mixed vaccines.

I don't think there was ever any risk of danger mixing the vaccines. The issue is that it might not be as effective.
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Quote from: 1 on April 23, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
I don't think there was ever any risk of danger mixing the vaccines. The issue is that it might not be as effective.

I suppose since mixing like that was not part of testing, the combination could less, similarly, or even more effective.
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Quote from: 1 on April 23, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:39:31 PM
Speaking of vaccine mixing, there seemingly was no ill effects to me having one shot Pfizer and one shot Moderna.  It's been over a week now and I didn't really make that too overt a couple pages back on how things went down with the mixed vaccines.

I don't think there was ever any risk of danger mixing the vaccines. The issue is that it might not be as effective.

That's my understanding.  Apparently my vaccination site (a military base) had Pfizer for the first rounds of shots but ended up getting Moderna for the second.  They decided to roll with it given there doesn't appear to be any apparent harm.  That falls in line with what the CDC, but they also note it hasn't been tested. 

tolbs17

Messenger RNA ones seem okay. But other types seem more risky.

tolbs17

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:21:41 PM
we need more vaccinations. Many more. My mother is forcing to get my sister to TAKE one.

But not two?  Or is this the recently reevaluated J&J vaccine?  How you plan to capture your sister if she resists?
All. My sister will get it cause it's to prevent COVID-19 (and the variants) from spreading!

So she is getting all the vaccines?  Is this some sort of mad science experiment?
No, she will get whatever they give her. She's only 17 so she will only get the Pfizer one.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:21:41 PM
we need more vaccinations. Many more. My mother is forcing to get my sister to TAKE one.

But not two?  Or is this the recently reevaluated J&J vaccine?  How you plan to capture your sister if she resists?
All. My sister will get it cause it's to prevent COVID-19 (and the variants) from spreading!

So she is getting all the vaccines?  Is this some sort of mad science experiment?
No, she will get whatever they give her. She's only 17 so she will only get the Pfizer one.

I find it highly amusing how you just lord over your sister in your posts like what she wants literally is worthless.  I'm having a hard time figuring out if it is intentional or not. 

tolbs17

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:21:41 PM
we need more vaccinations. Many more. My mother is forcing to get my sister to TAKE one.

But not two?  Or is this the recently reevaluated J&J vaccine?  How you plan to capture your sister if she resists?
All. My sister will get it cause it's to prevent COVID-19 (and the variants) from spreading!

So she is getting all the vaccines?  Is this some sort of mad science experiment?
No, she will get whatever they give her. She's only 17 so she will only get the Pfizer one.

I find it highly amusing how you just lord over your sister in your posts like what she wants literally is worthless.  I'm having a hard time figuring out if it is intentional or not.
Intentional to get a vaccine?

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:59:31 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:21:41 PM
we need more vaccinations. Many more. My mother is forcing to get my sister to TAKE one.

But not two?  Or is this the recently reevaluated J&J vaccine?  How you plan to capture your sister if she resists?
All. My sister will get it cause it's to prevent COVID-19 (and the variants) from spreading!

So she is getting all the vaccines?  Is this some sort of mad science experiment?
No, she will get whatever they give her. She's only 17 so she will only get the Pfizer one.

I find it highly amusing how you just lord over your sister in your posts like what she wants literally is worthless.  I'm having a hard time figuring out if it is intentional or not.
Intentional to get a vaccine?

No, the fact that you (and maybe your mother?) place literally no value in her opinion.  I'm not saying that isn't the right thing to do, she is after all a child who is being made to get a vaccine by a parent.  I just wonder if you can see how statements such as yours (and from others) might embolden certain individuals that aren't inclined to get vaccinated.  The authoritarian approach to socially "shaming others"  didn't seem to play very well during every step of the way with most COVID restrictions either.

tolbs17

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 09:07:20 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:59:31 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:21:41 PM
we need more vaccinations. Many more. My mother is forcing to get my sister to TAKE one.

But not two?  Or is this the recently reevaluated J&J vaccine?  How you plan to capture your sister if she resists?
All. My sister will get it cause it's to prevent COVID-19 (and the variants) from spreading!

So she is getting all the vaccines?  Is this some sort of mad science experiment?
No, she will get whatever they give her. She's only 17 so she will only get the Pfizer one.

I find it highly amusing how you just lord over your sister in your posts like what she wants literally is worthless.  I'm having a hard time figuring out if it is intentional or not.
Intentional to get a vaccine?

No, the fact that you (and maybe your mother?) place literally no value in her opinion.  I'm not saying that isn't the right thing to do, she is after all a child who is being made to get a vaccine by a parent.  I just wonder if you can see how statements such as yours (and from others) might embolden certain individuals that aren't inclined to get vaccinated.  The authoritarian approach to socially "shaming others"  didn't seem to play very well during every step of the way with most COVID restrictions either.
To return to basic activities instead of working online or from home.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 09:15:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 09:07:20 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:59:31 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 23, 2021, 08:21:41 PM
we need more vaccinations. Many more. My mother is forcing to get my sister to TAKE one.

But not two?  Or is this the recently reevaluated J&J vaccine?  How you plan to capture your sister if she resists?
All. My sister will get it cause it's to prevent COVID-19 (and the variants) from spreading!

So she is getting all the vaccines?  Is this some sort of mad science experiment?
No, she will get whatever they give her. She's only 17 so she will only get the Pfizer one.

I find it highly amusing how you just lord over your sister in your posts like what she wants literally is worthless.  I'm having a hard time figuring out if it is intentional or not.
Intentional to get a vaccine?

No, the fact that you (and maybe your mother?) place literally no value in her opinion.  I'm not saying that isn't the right thing to do, she is after all a child who is being made to get a vaccine by a parent.  I just wonder if you can see how statements such as yours (and from others) might embolden certain individuals that aren't inclined to get vaccinated.  The authoritarian approach to socially "shaming others"  didn't seem to play very well during every step of the way with most COVID restrictions either.
To return to basic activities instead of working online or from home.

So your opinion is that people who don't want to be vaccinated should be forcibly compelled to do so for the "greater good?"   That may sound benign to you, but consider how that sounds to others who don't agree.   



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