Electric Car Arguing 2022

[jeffandnicole]

Here is the other problem. Even if they had the range and facilities to do so, the cars themselves are glorified golf carts, not something I would want to cruise at freeway speeds in coast to coast.

Being that golf carts are also gas powered, I guess fuel-powered cars are also glorified golf carts.

[HighwayStar]

Here is the other problem. Even if they had the range and facilities to do so, the cars themselves are glorified golf carts, not something I would want to cruise at freeway speeds in coast to coast.

Being that golf carts are also gas powered, I guess fuel-powered cars are also glorified golf carts.

Some are, but some are not. Ever heard of a golf cart battery?

[jeffandnicole]

Here is the other problem. Even if they had the range and facilities to do so, the cars themselves are glorified golf carts, not something I would want to cruise at freeway speeds in coast to coast.

Being that golf carts are also gas powered, I guess fuel-powered cars are also glorified golf carts.

Some are, but some are not. Ever heard of a golf cart battery?

Yes. Do they run electric cars?

[HighwayStar]

Here is the other problem. Even if they had the range and facilities to do so, the cars themselves are glorified golf carts, not something I would want to cruise at freeway speeds in coast to coast.

Being that golf carts are also gas powered, I guess fuel-powered cars are also glorified golf carts.

Some are, but some are not. Ever heard of a golf cart battery?

Yes. Do they run electric cars?

Obviously not. But that is not the point, the electric cars still feel like a cheap plastic box. Not the kind of thing I want to be driving.

[jeffandnicole]

Here is the other problem. Even if they had the range and facilities to do so, the cars themselves are glorified golf carts, not something I would want to cruise at freeway speeds in coast to coast.

Being that golf carts are also gas powered, I guess fuel-powered cars are also glorified golf carts.

Some are, but some are not. Ever heard of a golf cart battery?

Yes. Do they run electric cars?

Obviously not. But that is not the point, the electric cars still feel like a cheap plastic box. Not the kind of thing I want to be driving.

Have you driven one?

[HighwayStar]

Here is the other problem. Even if they had the range and facilities to do so, the cars themselves are glorified golf carts, not something I would want to cruise at freeway speeds in coast to coast.

Being that golf carts are also gas powered, I guess fuel-powered cars are also glorified golf carts.

Some are, but some are not. Ever heard of a golf cart battery?

Yes. Do they run electric cars?

Obviously not. But that is not the point, the electric cars still feel like a cheap plastic box. Not the kind of thing I want to be driving.

Have you driven one?

Nope and don't plan to.

[DenverBrian]

When they have 300+ mile range and ubiquitous charging stations (that's what the infrastructure bill is trying to do), I'll happily switch over to an all-electric vehicle.

For now, when you can walk outside and spit and hit four gas stations, ICE cars are still the champs and will be for probably another decade.

Even once the stations are there it won't fix the problem of having to wait for the thing to charge.
The EV will only be a real car when an EV holds the Cannonball run title.

I dunno. When I fill my gas tank, it takes a few minutes...but I'm tethered to the car because I wouldn't leave it, just in the very rare case that the fuel would spill over (even though it's never happened).

When I charge my future EV, I'll feel much better about walking away from the vehicle while it charges, using the 10-20 minutes to pee, grab a Diet Coke, get a snack, etc. Or eat lunch or dinner if there's a diner nearby.

And there's no "gas station" at your house. You can't fill up an ICE car at your house, unless you're a farmer or have some really oddball arrangement. But you CAN charge up your EV at home every night if you like, especially if you have a garage.

There are going to be a lot of paradigm shifts when EVs achieve critical mass.

[HighwayStar]

When they have 300+ mile range and ubiquitous charging stations (that's what the infrastructure bill is trying to do), I'll happily switch over to an all-electric vehicle.

For now, when you can walk outside and spit and hit four gas stations, ICE cars are still the champs and will be for probably another decade.

Even once the stations are there it won't fix the problem of having to wait for the thing to charge.
The EV will only be a real car when an EV holds the Cannonball run title.

I dunno. When I fill my gas tank, it takes a few minutes...but I'm tethered to the car because I wouldn't leave it, just in the very rare case that the fuel would spill over (even though it's never happened).

When I charge my future EV, I'll feel much better about walking away from the vehicle while it charges, using the 10-20 minutes to pee, grab a Diet Coke, get a snack, etc. Or eat lunch or dinner if there's a diner nearby.

And there's no "gas station" at your house. You can't fill up an ICE car at your house, unless you're a farmer or have some really oddball arrangement. But you CAN charge up your EV at home every night if you like, especially if you have a garage.

There are going to be a lot of paradigm shifts when EVs achieve critical mass.

There is a gas station 2 minutes from my house every day, I don't need one at my house because I can stop there. And my house does not have an EV charging station either.
The time it takes to fill the tank is about 2 minutes, just enough to wipe the windshield clean and throw out any garbage from the car. Far less than the 20 minutes an EV needs.
Oh, and that fuel tank will last me 400 miles, which is more than most EVs can do.
Oh, and that gas station is available virtually everywhere, I don't even need to hunt for it.
Oh, and driving an EV makes me look like a tool which my car doesn't.

[jeffandnicole]

Here is the other problem. Even if they had the range and facilities to do so, the cars themselves are glorified golf carts, not something I would want to cruise at freeway speeds in coast to coast.

Being that golf carts are also gas powered, I guess fuel-powered cars are also glorified golf carts.

Some are, but some are not. Ever heard of a golf cart battery?

Yes. Do they run electric cars?

Obviously not. But that is not the point, the electric cars still feel like a cheap plastic box. Not the kind of thing I want to be driving.

Have you driven one?

Nope and don't plan to.

Yet you stated they feel like a cheap plastic box, even though you've never driven one. So you are arguing about something you have absolutely no clue about.

If you don't want to drive one, that's fine. But you can't say how they feel if you've never felt one, and compare it to something when you haven't driven one, if not both, of the things you're comparing.

[HighwayStar]

Here is the other problem. Even if they had the range and facilities to do so, the cars themselves are glorified golf carts, not something I would want to cruise at freeway speeds in coast to coast.

Being that golf carts are also gas powered, I guess fuel-powered cars are also glorified golf carts.

Some are, but some are not. Ever heard of a golf cart battery?

Yes. Do they run electric cars?

Obviously not. But that is not the point, the electric cars still feel like a cheap plastic box. Not the kind of thing I want to be driving.

Have you driven one?

Nope and don't plan to.

Yet you stated they feel like a cheap plastic box, even though you've never driven one. So you are arguing about something you have absolutely no clue about.

If you don't want to drive one, that's fine. But you can't say how they feel if you've never felt one, and compare it to something when you haven't driven one, if not both, of the things you're comparing.

I know its a cheap plastic box based on its curb weight and the fact that all modern cars are. So no, I have a clue and I am judging on objective criteria.
I know that the seats are not as comfortable, there is less room, it does not have a full frame, its not RWD, and it has a pile of superfluous crap in it that I neither want nor need.
Its not necessary to drive a car to understand its quality, that can be assessed from design elements and specifications.

[Scott5114]

Oh, and driving an EV makes me look like a tool which my car doesn't.

...That's something you actually worry about?

[HighwayStar]

Oh, and driving an EV makes me look like a tool which my car doesn't.

...That's something you actually worry about?

Being slightly facetious, though I don't care for the styling of any of the EVs, that is less an EV specific issue than the current styling of vehicles generally. Every one is the same amorphous blob. If you took the badges off it would be impossible to tell who built what.

[noelbotevera]

I don't get the hate for EVs. If it looks like a car, sounds like a car, and honks like a car...it probably is a car. The only difference is that you...plug it into a funny looking gas pump that dispenses electricity and not flammable juice.

A Tesla Model 3 base has enough range to get me to New York or Cleveland (280 miles). That's plenty for the regular person. It's not the fault of the EV that there's not enough charging spots, it's the fault of the gas station chains. Even then, there exist adaptors to use NEMA 14-50, common in RV parks and campgrounds. So, yes, you could take an EV into the Rockies.

[kalvado]

I don't get the hate for EVs. If it looks like a car, sounds like a car, and honks like a car...it probably is a car. The only difference is that you...plug it into a funny looking gas pump that dispenses electricity and not flammable juice.

A Tesla Model 3 base has enough range to get me to New York or Cleveland (280 miles). That's plenty for the regular person. It's not the fault of the EV that there's not enough charging spots, it's the fault of the gas station chains. Even then, there exist adaptors to use NEMA 14-50, common in RV parks and campgrounds. So, yes, you could take an EV into the Rockies.

It doesn't sound like a car, evs are much quieter. Which is not a bad thing though

[HighwayStar]

I don't get the hate for EVs. If it looks like a car, sounds like a car, and honks like a car...it probably is a car. The only difference is that you...plug it into a funny looking gas pump that dispenses electricity and not flammable juice.

A Tesla Model 3 base has enough range to get me to New York or Cleveland (280 miles). That's plenty for the regular person. It's not the fault of the EV that there's not enough charging spots, it's the fault of the gas station chains. Even then, there exist adaptors to use NEMA 14-50, common in RV parks and campgrounds. So, yes, you could take an EV into the Rockies.

Not all cars are created equal. Some are utter crap.
"Could" and "should" and "want to" are very different things. I can drive my car wherever and whenever without bothering to think about where to charge it, that is good enough for me to not want an EV on top of the other issues.

[HighwayStar]

I don't get the hate for EVs. If it looks like a car, sounds like a car, and honks like a car...it probably is a car. The only difference is that you...plug it into a funny looking gas pump that dispenses electricity and not flammable juice.

A Tesla Model 3 base has enough range to get me to New York or Cleveland (280 miles). That's plenty for the regular person. It's not the fault of the EV that there's not enough charging spots, it's the fault of the gas station chains. Even then, there exist adaptors to use NEMA 14-50, common in RV parks and campgrounds. So, yes, you could take an EV into the Rockies.

It doesn't sound like a car, evs are much quieter. Which is not a bad thing though

Outside it does not sound like a car because it has no engine, so you can't rev it, very lame.
My car is very quiet on the inside, which is what I care about, thanks to sound insulation. I prefer people outside to hear it however.

[Scott5114]

I don't get the hate for EVs. If it looks like a car, sounds like a car, and honks like a car...it probably is a car. The only difference is that you...plug it into a funny looking gas pump that dispenses electricity and not flammable juice.

A Tesla Model 3 base has enough range to get me to New York or Cleveland (280 miles). That's plenty for the regular person. It's not the fault of the EV that there's not enough charging spots, it's the fault of the gas station chains. Even then, there exist adaptors to use NEMA 14-50, common in RV parks and campgrounds. So, yes, you could take an EV into the Rockies.

And even then, I think the problem of "not enough chargers" is one that's way, way overstated. People who drive ICE cars don't notice the chargers because they don't have a reason to look for them. Their placements aren't as dense or obvious as gas stations. But there's plenty of places that have one or two chargers tucked into some obscure corner of some grocery store parking lot or whatever. Now are all of those chargers going to be in places where you're going to enjoy spending 15 minutes? Eh, maybe not. But that's a situation that will improve as time goes on.

Check out this site for a map of them: https://www.plugshare.com/

You can find a place to charge even in the Oklahoma panhandle, the reddest, most remote part of the state. Hell, there's one on Black Mesa of all places.

Outside it does not sound like a car because it has no engine, so you can't rev it, very lame.

There's plenty of practical reasons someone might not want an electric car, but "you can't create unnecessary noise with it" has got to be the most ridicule-worthy thing I've seen anyone post on this forum.

[HighwayStar]

I don't get the hate for EVs. If it looks like a car, sounds like a car, and honks like a car...it probably is a car. The only difference is that you...plug it into a funny looking gas pump that dispenses electricity and not flammable juice.

A Tesla Model 3 base has enough range to get me to New York or Cleveland (280 miles). That's plenty for the regular person. It's not the fault of the EV that there's not enough charging spots, it's the fault of the gas station chains. Even then, there exist adaptors to use NEMA 14-50, common in RV parks and campgrounds. So, yes, you could take an EV into the Rockies.

And even then, I think the problem of "not enough chargers" is one that's way, way overstated. People who drive ICE cars don't notice the chargers because they don't have a reason to look for them. Their placements aren't as dense or obvious as gas stations. But there's plenty of places that have one or two chargers tucked into some obscure corner of some grocery store parking lot or whatever. Now are all of those chargers going to be in places where you're going to enjoy spending 15 minutes? Eh, maybe not. But that's a situation that will improve as time goes on.

Check out this site for a map of them: https://www.plugshare.com/

You can find a place to charge even in the Oklahoma panhandle, the reddest, most remote part of the state. Hell, there's one on Black Mesa of all places.

Outside it does not sound like a car because it has no engine, so you can't rev it, very lame.

There's plenty of practical reasons someone might not want an electric car, but "you can't create unnecessary noise with it" has got to be the most ridicule-worthy thing I've seen anyone post on this forum.

I don't care how you try and swing it, there is simply no way charging for electric vehicles is as easy and readily available as gasoline.


There's plenty of practical reasons someone might not want an electric car, but "you can't create unnecessary noise with it" has got to be the most ridicule-worthy thing I've seen anyone post on this forum.

Who is to say its "unnecessary"? That engine note of my V8 is a very nice part of owning the car, its distinctive, you know without even looking at it that its not a cheap I-4 or V-6, you know its the real deal. And of course when you are at a light and want to egg the moron next to you into racing out of the intersection like you are going to race you need that sound to convey that.
The sound of my engine is a part of the car I enjoy, and a plastic box with some batteries and washing machine motors fails utterly in that regard. 

[hotdogPi]

And of course when you are at a light and want to egg the moron next to you into racing out of the intersection like you are going to race you need that sound to convey that.

This is road rage. Never do this.

[Scott5114]

Any amount of energy that's expended to produce noise is energy that's not going into the drivetrain or powering some user application like climate control, the windshield wipers, radio, etc. It is literally the sound of dollars being lost to the environment.

[HighwayStar]

Any amount of energy that's expended to produce noise is energy that's not going into the drivetrain or powering some user application like climate control, the windshield wipers, radio, etc. It is literally the sound of dollars being lost to the environment.

Nope, I derive enjoyment from it so I don't mind in the slightest. I am not so cheap as to sweat over the 2 cents it costs to tap the gas pedal once in a while.

[HighwayStar]

And of course when you are at a light and want to egg the moron next to you into racing out of the intersection like you are going to race you need that sound to convey that.

This is road rage. Never do this.

False.

Definitions of road rage,
"violent anger caused by the stress and frustration involved in driving a motor vehicle in difficult conditions."
"aggressive or angry behavior exhibited by motorists."

There is nothing angry or aggressive about challenging someone to a race. If you actually did the race it might qualify as "drag racing" under some statutes, but just revving the engine so the other guy races out is not road rage at all.

People used to race all the time from lights, and frankly as long as you don't break the speed limit in doing so its not that big of a deal.

[Scott5114]

Any amount of energy that's expended to produce noise is energy that's not going into the drivetrain or powering some user application like climate control, the windshield wipers, radio, etc. It is literally the sound of dollars being lost to the environment.

Nope, I derive enjoyment from it so I don't mind in the slightest. I am not so cheap as to sweat over the 2 cents it costs to tap the gas pedal once in a while.

Has it occurred to you that people that are not you may derive enjoyment from an electric vehicle, and therefore not mind their limitations in the slightest?

[HighwayStar]

Any amount of energy that's expended to produce noise is energy that's not going into the drivetrain or powering some user application like climate control, the windshield wipers, radio, etc. It is literally the sound of dollars being lost to the environment.

Nope, I derive enjoyment from it so I don't mind in the slightest. I am not so cheap as to sweat over the 2 cents it costs to tap the gas pedal once in a while.

Has it occurred to you that people that are not you may derive enjoyment from an electric vehicle, and therefore not mind their limitations in the slightest?

Oh I don't care if they want to drive them, in fact be my guest, makes fuel cheaper for my V8 if there are more people driving electric cars. Someone even made a bumper sticker to the effect of "proudly burning the gas saved by Prius owners" that I would like to find.
However, I also am honest about their deficiencies, and I never can quite look at people driving them without being amused.. 

[hotdogPi]

Someone even made a bumper sticker to the effect of "proudly burning the gas saved by Prius owners" that I would like to find.

This bumper sticker is saying that you're intentionally making the environment worse solely to get back at who you perceive to be the opposition.

However, I also am honest about their deficiencies

Being quieter is not a deficiency. Not looking the way you want them to look is also not a deficiency.



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