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Jersey Freeway, Michigan Left, Arkansas Freeway, etc.

Started by Henry, February 14, 2014, 02:57:31 PM

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vtk

Quote from: bugo on February 16, 2014, 05:01:51 AM
An Arkansas freeway is the 5 lane undivided highway like those that exist all over the state.

Sow what does it have in common with an actual freeway?  Multi-lane, yes.  Low-curvature / high-speed alignment, maybe?  Access control, I'm guessing not, or the center turn lane would be fairly pointless...
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.


TEG24601

Could someone direct me to an example of the "Texas Twist". I tried a Google Search, and only got images of guardrails ending in an embankment or the "new" flat ended treatment.


I always joke about the "Michigan Expressway", which is the term I use to indicate a roadway that exclusively uses Michigan Lefts.
They said take a left at the fork in the road.  I didn't think they literally meant a fork, until plain as day, there was a fork sticking out of the road at a junction.

vtk

Quote from: TEG24601 on February 16, 2014, 10:17:22 AM
Could someone direct me to an example of the "Texas Twist". I tried a Google Search, and only got images of guardrails ending in an embankment or the "new" flat ended treatment.

http://vidthekid.info/imghost/IMG_5755.JPG
http://vidthekid.info/imghost/IMG_5756.JPG

Warning, they're nearly 3MB each. Don't have time to make small versions.

There may be one or two intermediate angled posts missing from that example.
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

hbelkins

The Texas Twist works OK on a low-speed road, but not for roads where you can drive a constant 55 mph or faster.

"Buried in the back slope" is an acceptable replacement for a Texas Twist end treatment if you're doing low-cost safety improvements.

I'd never heard the term Arkansas freeway but much of US 23 in eastern Kentucky would qualify. It's an Appalachian corridor but when the section between Prestonsburg and Paintsville was built in the 1990s, it was touted as a federal "demonstration project." I didn't understand what was being demonstrated, as five-lane highways with a center turn lane were already in common use at the time.
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NE2

Quote from: hbelkins on February 16, 2014, 11:19:44 AM
I'd never heard the term Arkansas freeway but much of US 23 in eastern Kentucky would qualify.
Looks like a four-lane divided highway with a flush median. The Goog doesn't show any center turn lane striping.

PS:
QuoteHIGHWAY WIDENING AND IMPROVEMENT DEMONSTRATION PROJECT
For 80 percent of the expenses necessary to carry out a highway project between Paintsville and Prestonsburg, Kentucky, that demonstrates the safety and economic benefits of widening and improving highways in mountainous areas, $3,400,000, to remain available until expended.
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roadman65

I was noticing that the Michigan Left has made it to Point Pleasant Beach, NJ.  The NJ 35/ Broadway intersection which once allowed a left turn from SB NJ 35 to EB Broadway via a left turn signal is eliminated with motorists being required to continue on NJ 35 further and turnabout via a u turn ramp.  I am assuming the Manasquan River Drawbridge back ups had to do with that decision, but nonetheless qualifies as one in a state that loves its jughandles as solution for left turns on divided (and some undivided) highways.

Also I have seen that Arkansas set up in GA between Baxley and the Satilla River with US 1 being a four lane highway with a paved median.  No center turn lane is used either.  Just two double lines spaced apart 6 feet from each other. 

Even US 1 between Florida City and Key Largo is two lanes mostly with an occasional passing area that has a paved buffer in the middle.  Where its okay to pass it would appear to have a broken double line instead of the usual single broken line because of it.  In fact I was confused back in 90 when I drove to Key West for the first time.  It appears to resemble contraflow lane striping however being a two lane road it would not be used (or anyway at that time as contraflow evacuation was not yet invented).
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NE2

Quote from: roadman65 on February 16, 2014, 01:42:22 PM
Even US 1 between Florida City and Key Largo is two lanes mostly with an occasional passing area that has a paved buffer in the middle.  Where its okay to pass it would appear to have a broken double line instead of the usual single broken line because of it.
Not anymore. It's now two lane divided.
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vtk

Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

bugo

Quote from: vtk on February 16, 2014, 10:11:16 AM
Quote from: bugo on February 16, 2014, 05:01:51 AM
An Arkansas freeway is the 5 lane undivided highway like those that exist all over the state.

Sow what does it have in common with an actual freeway?  Multi-lane, yes.  Low-curvature / high-speed alignment, maybe?  Access control, I'm guessing not, or the center turn lane would be fairly pointless...

Nothing.  It's a sarcastic joke.

hbelkins

Quote from: NE2 on February 16, 2014, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 16, 2014, 11:19:44 AM
I'd never heard the term Arkansas freeway but much of US 23 in eastern Kentucky would qualify.
Looks like a four-lane divided highway with a flush median. The Goog doesn't show any center turn lane striping.

Did you look at the entire length of the route?
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hbelkins

Quote from: vtk on February 16, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
West Virginia Twinning?

I've often called it "Virginia Twinning;" meaning that a parallel carriageway was built and the old carriageway was left as is.
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NE2

Quote from: hbelkins on February 16, 2014, 09:56:15 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 16, 2014, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 16, 2014, 11:19:44 AM
I'd never heard the term Arkansas freeway but much of US 23 in eastern Kentucky would qualify.
Looks like a four-lane divided highway with a flush median. The Goog doesn't show any center turn lane striping.

Did you look at the entire length of the route?

Yes. Got an example of a portion with a two-way center turn lane?
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bugo

Quote from: hbelkins on February 16, 2014, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: vtk on February 16, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
West Virginia Twinning?

I've often called it "Virginia Twinning;" meaning that a parallel carriageway was built and the old carriageway was left as is.

Missouri already has the honor of being the namesake of the one flat side one hilly side twinned expressway.

golden eagle

Quote from: Alps on February 14, 2014, 06:39:52 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 14, 2014, 03:50:23 PM
Texas U-turn - special lane so 2 one-way ramps avoid the intersection just ahead of it
Texas barrier - more attractive than solid concrete

"Texas frontage roads" - a setup where both frontage roads are 2-way instead of 1-way, but there are still slip ramps to and from the highway in the middle. The "wrong" frontage direction has to STOP for exiting slip ramp traffic as well as entering "right-direction" traffic making a left.

Kind of like the frontage roads on I-55 in West Memphis/Marion, AR, area. I hate those.

tradephoric

Quote from: TEG24601 on February 16, 2014, 10:17:22 AM
I always joke about the "Michigan Expressway", which is the term I use to indicate a roadway that exclusively uses Michigan Lefts. 

These were originally known as "super-highways".  Even though the first Michigan Left wasn't constructed until 1967, the idea of turning right to go left was common practice ever since the first "super-highway" was constructed in the 1920's.  The idea was to construct major thoroughfares in the region that had medians wide enough to allow enough space for 2 rails of inter-urban transit.  It's a bit ironic that roads in the Motor City were originally designed with transit in mind.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8737.0

bugo

Quote from: golden eagle on February 17, 2014, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 14, 2014, 06:39:52 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 14, 2014, 03:50:23 PM
Texas U-turn - special lane so 2 one-way ramps avoid the intersection just ahead of it
Texas barrier - more attractive than solid concrete

"Texas frontage roads" - a setup where both frontage roads are 2-way instead of 1-way, but there are still slip ramps to and from the highway in the middle. The "wrong" frontage direction has to STOP for exiting slip ramp traffic as well as entering "right-direction" traffic making a left.

Kind of like the frontage roads on I-55 in West Memphis/Marion, AR, area. I hate those.

The frontage roads on I-30 west of Little Rock and on US 67-167 north of North Little Rock used to be two way, but they were converted sometime in the '90s or '00s.  The two way frontage roads are hazardous. 

US71

Quote from: bugo on February 17, 2014, 01:27:16 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 16, 2014, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: vtk on February 16, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
West Virginia Twinning?

I've often called it "Virginia Twinning;" meaning that a parallel carriageway was built and the old carriageway was left as is.

Missouri already has the honor of being the namesake of the one flat side one hilly side twinned expressway.

Mississippi has those, too ;)
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vtk

Quote from: US71 on February 19, 2014, 12:04:54 AM
Quote from: bugo on February 17, 2014, 01:27:16 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 16, 2014, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: vtk on February 16, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
West Virginia Twinning?

I've often called it "Virginia Twinning;" meaning that a parallel carriageway was built and the old carriageway was left as is.

Missouri already has the honor of being the namesake of the one flat side one hilly side twinned expressway.

Mississippi has those, too ;)


Right. Many states have highways like this.  But is there any agreement on what to call this budget-upgrade process or the resulting divided highway?
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

bugo

Quote from: vtk on February 19, 2014, 08:46:15 AM
Quote from: US71 on February 19, 2014, 12:04:54 AM
Quote from: bugo on February 17, 2014, 01:27:16 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 16, 2014, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: vtk on February 16, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
West Virginia Twinning?

I've often called it "Virginia Twinning;" meaning that a parallel carriageway was built and the old carriageway was left as is.

Missouri already has the honor of being the namesake of the one flat side one hilly side twinned expressway.

Mississippi has those, too ;)


Right. Many states have highways like this.  But is there any agreement on what to call this budget-upgrade process or the resulting divided highway?

We've been calling them "Missouri expressways" for years.

Laura

Quote from: bugo on February 19, 2014, 11:08:52 AM
Quote from: vtk on February 19, 2014, 08:46:15 AM
Quote from: US71 on February 19, 2014, 12:04:54 AM
Quote from: bugo on February 17, 2014, 01:27:16 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 16, 2014, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: vtk on February 16, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
West Virginia Twinning?

I've often called it "Virginia Twinning;" meaning that a parallel carriageway was built and the old carriageway was left as is.

Missouri already has the honor of being the namesake of the one flat side one hilly side twinned expressway.

Mississippi has those, too ;)


Right. Many states have highways like this.  But is there any agreement on what to call this budget-upgrade process or the resulting divided highway?

We've been calling them "Missouri expressways" for years.

I've always known it as "Virginia Twinning". Perhaps the name preference is regional?

bugo

We've been saying "Missouri Expressway" since the 1990s.

jbnv

There are several new Michigan Lefts on US 90 south of Lafayette. Everybody knows them as "J-turns." Also quite a few in the New Orleans area.
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NE2

Quote from: jbnv on February 20, 2014, 04:21:28 AM
There are several new Michigan Lefts on US 90 south of Lafayette. Everybody knows them as "J-turns."
If you cannot go straight across US 90, they are not Michigan lefts.
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Brandon

Quote from: NE2 on February 20, 2014, 06:51:39 AM
Quote from: jbnv on February 20, 2014, 04:21:28 AM
There are several new Michigan Lefts on US 90 south of Lafayette. Everybody knows them as "J-turns."
If you cannot go straight across US 90, they are not Michigan lefts.

Actually, they can be.  https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=42.353089,-83.273664&spn=0.013495,0.01929&t=h&z=16  Not all side streets cross a boulevard with Michigan Lefts.
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NE2

Quote from: Brandon on February 20, 2014, 07:21:19 AM
Quote from: NE2 on February 20, 2014, 06:51:39 AM
Quote from: jbnv on February 20, 2014, 04:21:28 AM
There are several new Michigan Lefts on US 90 south of Lafayette. Everybody knows them as "J-turns."
If you cannot go straight across US 90, they are not Michigan lefts.

Actually, they can be.  https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=42.353089,-83.273664&spn=0.013495,0.01929&t=h&z=16  Not all side streets cross a boulevard with Michigan Lefts.

OK, fine. But if you can turn left at the intersection, is that a Michigan left? That's what you can do at a J-turn: http://www.dotd.la.gov/administration/public_info/projects/la167_la699/images%5CJunction%20of%20US%20167%20%284-lane%20highway%29%20and%20LA%20699.JPG
pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".