The universe according to MMM

[MultiMillionMiler]

What "crap"??  If it's potentially easier than the runaway truck plan since all objects involved are already airborne, how does it not improve aviation safety?

For starters, the helicopters wouldn't be able to keep up.  Most helicopters have a forward speed of 160 MPH and 250 MPH is pushing it.  A jet airliner at cruising altitude typically moves at about 580 MPH.

In theory, a plane that loses power over the ocean can glide to the surface and float, and seat cushions are also flotation devices.  In practice, the sorts of problems that end flights over the ocean tend also to preclude glider landings.

This is quite aside from the fact that any use of grappling hooks with a plane would destroy it, simply because of how the skin and reinforcing structures are constructed.

You're right. I didn't think of the speed differential. Helicopters couldn't work at all for those two reasons. I guess the one plane paralleling it would be enough. Could even have 2 empty duplicate planes paralleling, one on each side, but that would be pushing resources too much. Besides, the main cabin entrance is only on the left side anyway.

[kkt]

Maybe swimming lessons would be a better way to take care of the problem, MMM.
I can't believe you live on an island and are allowed to graduate high school without knowing how to swim.

[MultiMillionMiler]

Maybe swimming lessons would be a better way to take care of the problem, MMM.
I can't believe you live on an island and are allowed to graduate high school without knowing how to swim.

You do realize that even without the issues of survival after landing in the ocean thousands of miles from any land, the odds are you would die on impact anyway. Mid-air evacuation into the secondary plane would avoid that to begin with. The helicopters were more for preventing the evacuated plane itself from destroying things on the ground if it crashed, but over open water this is mostly moot. Now I don't usually insert jokes into posts but this proposal does give a whole new meaning to "Parallel Planes" in this universe.

[Scott5114]

Maybe you could have ten planes and just evacuate from each plane down into the one below it like a ladder.

[MultiMillionMiler]

Maybe you could have ten planes and just evacuate from each plane down into the one below it like a ladder.

What a plane every 5,000 feet? Mile long ladders LOL, I'm trying to keep these plans as realistic as possible. The airport accordion walkways are enclosed which is necessary at those altitudes not to get sucked out/suffocated.

[roadman65]

The Universe according to MMM is using helicopters to solve all problems.

[Scott5114]

I'm trying to keep these plans as realistic as possible.

You're not succeeding.

[kkt]

Maybe swimming lessons would be a better way to take care of the problem, MMM.
I can't believe you live on an island and are allowed to graduate high school without knowing how to swim.

You do realize that even without the issues of survival after landing in the ocean thousands of miles from any land, the odds are you would die on impact anyway. Mid-air evacuation into the secondary plane would avoid that to begin with. The helicopters were more for preventing the evacuated plane itself from destroying things on the ground if it crashed, but over open water this is mostly moot. Now I don't usually insert jokes into posts but this proposal does give a whole new meaning to "Parallel Planes" in this universe.

Helicopters have short range.  If you're thousands of miles from land, a helicopter isn't going to be much help.

[MultiMillionMiler]

Yeah, but I canceled that part of the plan due to the speed differential alone.

[roadman65]

Boats on standby would be the better option, but how do u cover expenses?

[Max Rockatansky]

Didn't they not have an economy in Star Trek?  Simple, just eliminate economics and boat captains will just willy sit on standby.

[MultiMillionMiler]

Didn't they not have an economy in Star Trek?  Simple, just eliminate economics and boat captains will just willy sit on standby.

Hundreds of coast guard ships would be patrolling the most commonly traveled airline routes over the oceans, just at ocean level, just in case a plane has to glide into the water they may end up being closer and could arrive faster. A similar red button would be installed in the cockpit of every 747 that when the pilot presses, instantly alerts all coast guard ships that the plane is in distress and will relay all location and trajectory data so the ship could position itself as close as possible to the likely water-landing site.

[roadman65]

MMM is ahead of his time. His rationale might be 2100 era as by then automation will be in control of humanity.

[Max Rockatansky]

I prefer to think there would be a Butlerian Jihad-like event which overthrows the thinking machines. 

[roadman65]

Hopefully.  As the Muslims seem more convicted in their beliefs about their God than Christians do about theirs. The Christians seem to be moving toward progress and the ones who are against it are called nuts or rogue worshippers. Or better yet many believers worship, believe strongly what they hear at service, but once they leave Sunday worship fail to put into action what they believed earlier inside the closed doors, and therefore go along with it and believe deeply that they're not part of the change when they do go along with progress.

[Max Rockatansky]

I think you missed the pop culture reference I was going for?  I feel like I'm the only one who read the Dune novels and saw the movies sometimes.

[MultiMillionMiler]

All of these technological suggestions use contemporary technology, not very futuristic.

[Scott5114]

Contemporary technology that doesn't actually work the way you think it does, maybe.

[SectorZ]

All of these technological suggestions use contemporary technology, not very futuristic.

The Final Fantasy IV-style helicopter with grappling hook that can pick up a car (or hovercraft) at high speeds isn't really contemporary technology.

[Max Rockatansky]

All of these technological suggestions use contemporary technology, not very futuristic.

The Final Fantasy IV-style helicopter with grappling hook that can pick up a car (or hovercraft) at high speeds isn't really contemporary technology.

The airship had to be stopped to pick up the hovercraft.  The trouble with the world of Final Fantasy IV was that the Lunarians were messing with the progress of humanity behind the scenes.  The Lunarians introduced several technologies to the humans such as the airships and Serpent Road.

[kkt]

You mean Final Fantasy IV isn't a documentary?  I'm shocked!

[Max Rockatansky]

I mean, it has had so many remakes and the questionable "After Years"  that it has a pretty trackable plot line.  Doesn't hurt that I've had the original game since 1991 and played it dozens of times.  I'm surprised MMM hasn't tried to grab an entire set of light and dark crystals to power up the Giant of Babil.  The Giant of Babil would pluck those runaway trucks off I-70 no problem.

[MultiMillionMiler]

I mean, it has had so many remakes and the questionable "After Years"  that it has a pretty trackable plot line.  Doesn't hurt that I've had the original game since 1991 and played it dozens of times.  I'm surprised MMM hasn't tried to grab an entire set of light and dark crystals to power up the Giant of Babil.  The Giant of Babil would pluck those runaway trucks off I-70 no problem.

Oh and those helicopters would patrol the Pennsylvania Turnpike for trucks as well. Since you are almost as likely to crash in a truck on that road as through the Rockies. Oh and the western stretch of that road has an I-70 designation, what a surprise. That entire interstate should just be renamed "runaway road".

[Max Rockatansky]

I mean, it has had so many remakes and the questionable "After Years"  that it has a pretty trackable plot line.  Doesn't hurt that I've had the original game since 1991 and played it dozens of times.  I'm surprised MMM hasn't tried to grab an entire set of light and dark crystals to power up the Giant of Babil.  The Giant of Babil would pluck those runaway trucks off I-70 no problem.

Oh and those helicopters would patrol the Pennsylvania Turnpike for trucks as well. Since you are almost as likely to crash in a truck on that road as through the Rockies. Oh and the western stretch of that road has an I-70 designation, what a surprise. That entire interstate should just be renamed "runaway road".

Hey now, we are trying to have a conversation about future tech in SNES RPGs.  Unless you are going to work the Lunar Whale into this helicopter plan somehow I suggest you refrain from trying to chime in.

[algorerhythms]

Not saying it's an intentional scam, but the fact that they think a difference in the billionth or trillions of a second difference in clock measurements are the result of some magical time stretching/squeezing just from moving, and not just a margin of error with the clocks is hard to believe. If they really wanted to test this, send a probe at extremely high speed toward the sun and have it orbit the sun for a few years very close to it, this way the gravity increase, extreme speed, and long duration of the mission could maybe push the dilation effect into actually visible amounts, like several seconds..etc, but there is no way to know whether millionths, billionths, let alone trillionths of a second are from a relativistic effect or simply clocks not being absolutely perfect. Even if atomic clocks are supposedly based on atom vibrations...etc, the electrical systems that display how much time passed aren't going to be that accurate. The engineering isn't at the atomic level, so they end up being just regular clocks. There is also no physical explanation of why this would be, even if mathematically it is possible. Mathematical physics also say a positron is indistinguishable from an electron traveling backward in time, but that doesn't mean it is, or there is any reason to believe this is so. Same thing with time squeezing.

As a physicist who actually knows how this stuff works, this thread is fucking hilarious.

I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.

Are you kidding? Stop this thread being created and missing everything it's brought?