New York

[dgolub]

Perhaps, but it also turned the Croton Expressway into a short, stubby dead end.

It's still useful for getting to the Bear Mountain Bridge (US 6/US 202).  It'll be even more so once they eliminate the traffic lights on the Briarcliff-Peekskill Parkway (NY 9A).

[D-Dey65]

It's still useful for getting to the Bear Mountain Bridge (US 6/US 202).  It'll be even more so once they eliminate the traffic lights on the Briarcliff-Peekskill Parkway (NY 9A).

Hey, I can't wait for that to happen. It might be even better if they built a northern extension of the Croton Expressway. Perhaps install interchanges with the Bear Mountain Parkway and Bear Mountain Bridge Road.

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/nU3W1gra944j61j66
Why doesn't I-390 continue north of I-490?

Always wondered why there are two different designations of Route 390 in New York.  Considering federal aid don't cover NY 390 and does I-390 why not take a burden off the state and make the whole freeway an interstate like they done with I-495 on Long Island.

I know both I-481 and I-690 as well as I-787 do the same, but the first two would make both routes a spur which is for odd numbers. I-787 downgrades in north of its interstate end so that's its reason, but I-390 could go all the way as it's still freeway to the end of NY 390.

[Rothman]

Blame the feds for their esoteric means of expanding the original Interstate Highway System.  What's more interesting are the highways NYSDOT shields as Interstates but are not considered such by FHWA or Congress depending on which version of the system is mentioned as the basis for funding in which laws.

NY 390 is eligible for federal-aid.

[webny99]

I-390 could go all the way as it's still freeway to the end of NY 390.

It is a freeway, but it ends at the Parkway, which does not allow commercial vehicles (they must use Exit 26). It's not likely that it could be designated as an interstate while not allowing commercial vehicles on that section, so I-490 becomes the logical endpoint instead.

[roadman65]

I-390 could go all the way as it's still freeway to the end of NY 390.

It is a freeway, but it ends at the Parkway, which does not allow commercial vehicles (they must use Exit 26). It's not likely that it could be designated as an interstate while not allowing commercial vehicles on that section, so I-490 becomes the logical endpoint instead.

Both I-55 and I-66 have segments with no trucks.

The former is in Chicago from MLK to Lake Shore Drive and the latter inside I-495 in Virginia.




Onto another subject of NY 390.

Courtesy AA Roads

Why is Rochester a control city for EB Lake Ontario Parkway when you just visited Rochester to get to this location?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/GTCY5YVacCcrDJ6H8
Notice how signs for Montreal point across the border from US 2 in Rouses Point.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/LrQUtPeUKkr9pUTr8
Yet Autoroute 15 is directed via US 11 To I-87.

Another oddity.  So I guess the Rochester control ain't so unordinary.

[vdeane]

I-390 could go all the way as it's still freeway to the end of NY 390.

It is a freeway, but it ends at the Parkway, which does not allow commercial vehicles (they must use Exit 26). It's not likely that it could be designated as an interstate while not allowing commercial vehicles on that section, so I-490 becomes the logical endpoint instead.

IIRC NYSDOT wanted the interstate designations to continue to NY 104, but FHWA said no.

Why is Rochester a control city for EB Lake Ontario Parkway when you just visited Rochester to get to this location?

Probably just using the Parkway's control city.  Would you rather it say Charlotte (the neighborhood)?  I suppose now you can say Irondequoit as well, but those signs look like they were installed before the O'Rourke Bridge was built.

Also not necessarily the case that traffic was just in Rochester; I-390 only briefly passes through near where it crosses the Genesee.  Otherwise it's all suburbia.

[storm2k]

Both I-55 and I-66 have segments with no trucks.

The former is in Chicago from MLK to Lake Shore Drive and the latter inside I-495 in Virginia.

The Stevenson has a path for trucks. They head onto LSD south and then must exit at 31st Street. So it's not like they're stuck fully going into a roadway where trucks cannot go at all.

[roadman65]

Both I-55 and I-66 have segments with no trucks.

The former is in Chicago from MLK to Lake Shore Drive and the latter inside I-495 in Virginia.

The Stevenson has a path for trucks. They head onto LSD south and then must exit at 31st Street. So it's not like they're stuck fully going into a roadway where trucks cannot go at all.

It didn't originally. All trucks had to, for decades, exit at MLK.

Then I-66 has no trucks for miles, but that was stipulation for it to be built according to a user on here who knows the full story.

However, interstates are not one hundred percent truck free.

[Rothman]

I-390 could go all the way as it's still freeway to the end of NY 390.

It is a freeway, but it ends at the Parkway, which does not allow commercial vehicles (they must use Exit 26). It's not likely that it could be designated as an interstate while not allowing commercial vehicles on that section, so I-490 becomes the logical endpoint instead.

Both I-55 and I-66 have segments with no trucks.

The former is in Chicago from MLK to Lake Shore Drive and the latter inside I-495 in Virginia.




Onto another subject of NY 390.

Courtesy AA Roads

Why is Rochester a control city for EB Lake Ontario Parkway when you just visited Rochester to

I-390 could go all the way as it's still freeway to the end of NY 390.

It is a freeway, but it ends at the Parkway, which does not allow commercial vehicles (they must use Exit 26). It's not likely that it could be designated as an interstate while not allowing commercial vehicles on that section, so I-490 becomes the logical endpoint instead.

Both I-55 and I-66 have segments with no trucks.

The former is in Chicago from MLK to Lake Shore Drive and the latter inside I-495 in Virginia.




Onto another subject of NY 390.

Courtesy AA Roads

Why is Rochester a control city for EB Lake Ontario Parkway when you just visited Rochester to get to this location?

Because that is where the road goes.  I'm with vdeane on this one:  What else should it say?

[RobbieL2415]

I'm surprised they haven't given the LOSP a road diet, yet. That part of W NY never really did get built up enough to need a limited-access freeway.

[Rothman]

I'm surprised they haven't given the LOSP a road diet, yet. That part of W NY never really did get built up enough to need a limited-access freeway.

Heh. Another Robert Moses/Niagara Scenic shut-down-the-other-carriageway dystopia.

[webny99]

I'm surprised they haven't given the LOSP a road diet, yet. That part of W NY never really did get built up enough to need a limited-access freeway.

Heh. Another Robert Moses/Niagara Scenic shut-down-the-other-carriageway dystopia.

Please no. They have started closing the western end in winter, which is fine by me as it's very lightly traveled and NY 18 is right there, but a road diet would be too much to stomach (pun noted but not intended  ).

[vdeane]

I'm surprised they haven't given the LOSP a road diet, yet. That part of W NY never really did get built up enough to need a limited-access freeway.

Heh. Another Robert Moses/Niagara Scenic shut-down-the-other-carriageway dystopia.

I pretty much consider it a permanent work zone, since it's the exact same methods of traffic control except without the orange signs.

[Revive 755]

Both I-55 and I-66 have segments with no trucks.

The former is in Chicago from MLK to Lake Shore Drive and the latter inside I-495 in Virginia.

The signing in Streetview doesn't completely agree for I-55

[Rothman]

I'm surprised they haven't given the LOSP a road diet, yet. That part of W NY never really did get built up enough to need a limited-access freeway.

Heh. Another Robert Moses/Niagara Scenic shut-down-the-other-carriageway dystopia.

Please no. They have started closing the western end in winter, which is fine by me as it's very lightly traveled and NY 18 is right there, but a road diet would be too much to stomach (pun noted but not intended  ).

I just think what was done to the old Robert Moses was ugly.  Just leaving the carriageway to rot rather than tearing it up and landscaping was just blech.

[RobbieL2415]

I'm surprised they haven't given the LOSP a road diet, yet. That part of W NY never really did get built up enough to need a limited-access freeway.

Heh. Another Robert Moses/Niagara Scenic shut-down-the-other-carriageway dystopia.

I don't see what the issue is with that. The RMSP cut off Niagra Falls with the rest of the city proper. There's barely any demand for traffic needing to cut across there. I-190 provides a bypass of both.

[vdeane]

I'm surprised they haven't given the LOSP a road diet, yet. That part of W NY never really did get built up enough to need a limited-access freeway.

Heh. Another Robert Moses/Niagara Scenic shut-down-the-other-carriageway dystopia.

I don't see what the issue is with that. The RMSP cut off Niagra Falls with the rest of the city proper. There's barely any demand for traffic needing to cut across there. I-190 provides a bypass of both.

It's an inelegant effectively permanent work zone, though at least the northern end has seen some improvement and the removed section reduced the issues.

[Rothman]

I'm surprised they haven't given the LOSP a road diet, yet. That part of W NY never really did get built up enough to need a limited-access freeway.

Heh. Another Robert Moses/Niagara Scenic shut-down-the-other-carriageway dystopia.

I don't see what the issue is with that. The RMSP cut off Niagra Falls with the rest of the city proper. There's barely any demand for traffic needing to cut across there. I-190 provides a bypass of both.

Perhaps read my post right above yours.

[RobbieL2415]

I'm surprised they haven't given the LOSP a road diet, yet. That part of W NY never really did get built up enough to need a limited-access freeway.

Heh. Another Robert Moses/Niagara Scenic shut-down-the-other-carriageway dystopia.

I don't see what the issue is with that. The RMSP cut off Niagra Falls with the rest of the city proper. There's barely any demand for traffic needing to cut across there. I-190 provides a bypass of both.

Perhaps read my post right above yours.

I was referring to merely the action of putting it on a road diet, not the specifics of the implementation. That is most definitely a crappy job on the part of NYSDOT, like they wanted to do it at the least possible cost.

[roadman65]

I see an article published on September 9, 2024 shared on social media states that I-81 is started the exit number conversion already having Exit 9 changed to Exit 38 at Marathon.

Don't know the validity of that article and if it were speaking when not as already, but it would be strange to do so at this time because Syracuse exits would not be part of the change because it's not going to remain I-81 for long.  If the numbers north and south of I-481's endpoints would get changed now, confusion from the use of new to old and back to new.

However, this article https://www.syracuse.com/state/2024/07/dont-get-lost-nys-dot-begins-changing-exit-numbers-on-central-ny-highways.html
shows new signs already in the photo of former Exit 13 in Preble.

It states that by the end of 2024 the conversion will be completed.

Also the FB article that I didn't share addresses why the Thruway won't convert anytime soon as well. The answer is that hierarchy of the NYSTA fears the overlaps of both I-87 and I-90 in the Capital Region would create confusion.

[Snappyjack]

All they would need to do is put up signage around the 87/90 changeover to the effect of:

Thruway exits West to Buffalo uses I-90 mileage.

Next exit - 342

And a similar sign for the other direction referring to I-87.

Just an idea. But per usual, they make it more complicated than it needs to be.

[roadman65]

All they would need to do is put up signage around the 87/90 changeover to the effect of:

Thruway exits West to Buffalo uses I-90 mileage.

Next exit - 342

And a similar sign for the other direction referring to I-87.

Just an idea. But per usual, they make it more complicated than it needs to be.

It's an excuse IMO. They are looking not to invest time and money to the change.

https://www.localsyr.com/news/your-stories/your-stories-qa-heres-why-the-thruway-is-not-changing-its-exit-numbers-like-i-81/
Here's that article that was on social media, without being linked there but to the source.

[The Ghostbuster]

It's an excuse to maintain the status quo. That is probably why all the bills directing a conversion to mileage-based exits have not passed both houses in the state legislature. I guess we'll have to wait for all freeway and parkway exits to undergo a very slow conversion, which could take decades to accomplish.

[vdeane]

I see an article published on September 9, 2024 shared on social media states that I-81 is started the exit number conversion already having Exit 9 changed to Exit 38 at Marathon.

Don't know the validity of that article and if it were speaking when not as already, but it would be strange to do so at this time because Syracuse exits would not be part of the change because it's not going to remain I-81 for long.  If the numbers north and south of I-481's endpoints would get changed now, confusion from the use of new to old and back to new.

However, this article https://www.syracuse.com/state/2024/07/dont-get-lost-nys-dot-begins-changing-exit-numbers-on-central-ny-highways.html
shows new signs already in the photo of former Exit 13 in Preble.

It states that by the end of 2024 the conversion will be completed.

Also the FB article that I didn't share addresses why the Thruway won't convert anytime soon as well. The answer is that hierarchy of the NYSTA fears the overlaps of both I-87 and I-90 in the Capital Region would create confusion.

The change has been done.  The exit numbers now go 1-8, 38 (or 39, depending on direction)-78, 16A-29, 98-131, and 38-50.  16A-29 and I-481 will be done as the I-81 projects complete, so while I-81 will finish next year, BL 81 and I-690 will likely be a mish-mash for a while.  NY 481 theoretically switches by the end of the month, assuming the completion date of 10/1/24 on the associated sign contract is accurate.  The signs hadn't been changed as of Labor Day.  I-690 doesn't seem to have seen any changes yet, either.  Also no idea when the exits on I-81 in Regions 7 and 9 will switch.

As for the Thruway, I fail to see what the confusion would be, assuming the milemarkers are replaced to accurately reflect I-90 and I-87 mileage and not Thruway mileage.  I-87 would be in the mid-100s and I-90 in the low 300s - not close at all.  And there isn't a virtual ticket system there, either, and with the refusal of the Thruway to put toll reads together on E-ZPass statements, not even the appearance of one.  I suspect they just don't want to let go of the existing numbers/mileage.