Some students are returning to school with new bans in effect

[Scott5114]

That's why just having uniforms is in some ways better than having a dress code (especially a strict dress code) because it removes all the drama and ambiguity around what's allowed and what's not.

From what I've heard, all that does is then instigate drama and ambiguity as to whether you're wearing the uniform "correctly".

[webny99]

That's why just having uniforms is in some ways better than having a dress code (especially a strict dress code) because it removes all the drama and ambiguity around what's allowed and what's not.

From what I've heard, all that does is then instigate drama and ambiguity as to whether you're wearing the uniform "correctly".

Genuinely curious what would constitute an "incorrect" way to wear a uniform. I mean sure there are super minor things like having a button undone or wearing bright colored socks, but generally not a whole lot that rises to the level of teacher involvement unless they're just, as alluded to upthread, out to get the students, and at that point it's a problem with the teacher not a problem with the uniform.

[webny99]

I would have made a very big deal out of her having a double standard (which I would have, as I was on the school newspaper staff and I could and would have written a column about it).

Something tells me that may not have gone well either, depending on your framing of the article. LOL.

[bandit957]

Most of the cell phone bans are designed not to reduce distractions but to make sure that wrongdoing by schools isn't caught on camera.

[jeffandnicole]

Most of the cell phone bans are designed not to reduce distractions but to make sure that wrongdoing by schools isn't caught on camera.

Legit source?

[1995hoo]

Last night's news had a piece about mobile phone bans in schools and they naturally had some parents talking about how if there is a true emergency, they want to be able to reach their kids or hear from their kids that they're OK. They then talked to a faculty member who made a pretty good point that's often overlooked—in a true emergency, the school administrators want the kids paying attention to the instructions they're being given, not focusing on their phones sending messages to other people.

[bandit957]

Schools exhibit a lot of retaliatory behavior. I know this firsthand.

I was retaliated against by schools when I started fighting back against their abuse.

There's this web of people in our schools, elected and appointed public offices, healthcare, and other organizations that has been colluding with each other for decades. Some of them are the same folks who were around almost 40 years ago, and they're still around, as dangerous as ever.

[bandit957]

Also, there is a permanent record. When I was in college, they trotted out things that had happened in middle school.

[Max Rockatansky]

Also, there is a permanent record. When I was in college, they trotted out things that had happened in middle school.

Like Elaine's chart in Seinfeld which said she was difficult?

[JayhawkCO]

Schools exhibit a lot of retaliatory behavior. I know this firsthand.

I was retaliated against by schools when I started fighting back against their abuse.

There's this web of people in our schools, elected and appointed public offices, healthcare, and other organizations that has been colluding with each other for decades. Some of them are the same folks who were around almost 40 years ago, and they're still around, as dangerous as ever.

Are they part of the illuminati?

Or is this just a byproduct of living in a small town where everyone knows everyone?

[SEWIGuy]

Also, there is a permanent record. When I was in college, they trotted out things that had happened in middle school.

In what context was this "trotted out?" Because, while high school disciplinary records MAY be provided during the admissions process, they rarely are then transferred to the colleges disciplinary record. In fact, I have never heard of that in 30+ years of working in higher education. Unless, of course, they are legal records of some sort.

[bandit957]

Or is this just a byproduct of living in a small town where everyone knows everyone?

It was actually near a major city.

[bandit957]

In what context was this "trotted out?" Because, while high school disciplinary records MAY be provided during the admissions process, they rarely are then transferred to the colleges disciplinary record. In fact, I have never heard of that in 30+ years of working in higher education. Unless, of course, they are legal records of some sort.

First of all, this is a state that has weird authoritarian practices regarding schools.

The permanent record was invoked when I spoke with a particular office at the university about a situation that was going on at the time on campus. The man there made reference to something that he wouldn't have known about if it wasn't on my permanent record. It wasn't anything I did wrong, but the schools tended to twist things around.

Already, there wasn't any doubt that your permanent record followed you between high schools. I switched schools during high school, and a teacher at the new school told me upfront that she had the record from my old school.

Confidentiality means nothing to these scofflaws.

After the earlier situation at the university, a guy threatened to shoot up the place. He didn't fit my description, but the university tried to pin it on me. It took almost 25 years to prove it wasn't me.

[bandit957]

This newspaper has a police report about the incident:

https://dspace.nku.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/20a7ec36-e7f6-43d9-b3a0-f1bafcc6811e/content

It's the report from March 21, 1995. The man involved bore no resemblance to me, and I had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the incident. I don't think I even owned a flannel shirt at the time.

I think I was on campus that day, as I remember seeing police walking through a hallway and peering into rooms, but I didn't see the incident directly.

[mgk920]

Are students allowed to carry compact mirrors?

I seriously doubt that girls kiss compact mirrors with freshly lipsticked lips.

Mike

[Molandfreak]

Are students allowed to carry compact mirrors?

I seriously doubt that girls kiss compact mirrors with freshly lipsticked lips.

Mike

Is that the reason mirrors are banned or are you just making that up?

[Rothman]

Also, there is a permanent record. When I was in college, they trotted out things that had happened in middle school.

Who?  What?  Wut.

[hbelkins]

Are students allowed to carry compact mirrors?

I seriously doubt that girls kiss compact mirrors with freshly lipsticked lips.

Mike

What's the difference between kissing a germy bathroom mirror and licking the wall?

Neither action makes much sense.

[vdeane]

Are students allowed to carry compact mirrors?

Only if they're trying to avoid getting killed by a basilisk.

What's the difference between kissing a germy bathroom mirror and licking the wall?

Neither action makes much sense.

Great, now I'm thinking about how Poi Poi once posted about how he wanted John Madden to visit his house and lick something else in the bathroom.

[Max Rockatansky]

I'm thinking as time marches on people will come to believe P13 was in love with the actual John Madden and not Sault Sainte John Madden. 

[vdeane]

I'm thinking as time marches on people will come to believe P13 was in love with the actual John Madden and not Sault Sainte John Madden. 

My phrasing of that comment was quite deliberate in that respect.  The implication amused me more.

[Scott5114]

Schools exhibit a lot of retaliatory behavior. I know this firsthand.

I was retaliated against by schools when I started fighting back against their abuse.

There's this web of people in our schools, elected and appointed public offices, healthcare, and other organizations that has been colluding with each other for decades. Some of them are the same folks who were around almost 40 years ago, and they're still around, as dangerous as ever.

I feel like if that's something that has been an issue for such a big part of your life you kind of owe it to yourself to move.

I went to school in a small town where I was unpopular, and I imagine I would have remained so as the kids that picked on me grew up to be cops or mayors or whatever it is people that like to pick on others do with their lives in embarrassing small towns. After I graduated high school I moved across the river to a town that was big enough that nobody knew who I was. Never had a problem after that.

[Scott5114]

That's why just having uniforms is in some ways better than having a dress code (especially a strict dress code) because it removes all the drama and ambiguity around what's allowed and what's not.

From what I've heard, all that does is then instigate drama and ambiguity as to whether you're wearing the uniform "correctly".

Genuinely curious what would constitute an "incorrect" way to wear a uniform. I mean sure there are super minor things like having a button undone or wearing bright colored socks, but generally not a whole lot that rises to the level of teacher involvement unless they're just, as alluded to upthread, out to get the students, and at that point it's a problem with the teacher not a problem with the uniform.

Or if the tie is tied with the wrong knot, or if the shirt is too rumpled, or if a girl wears a male uniform, or...

To say nothing of the fact that irritated students are masters of malicious compliance.

[mgk920]

Are students allowed to carry compact mirrors?

I seriously doubt that girls kiss compact mirrors with freshly lipsticked lips.

Mike

Is that the reason mirrors are banned or are you just making that up?

As I mentioned in a post that I made above, female students would kiss wall mirrors with freshly lipsticked lips, making horrible messes, such that custodial staffs would try myriad ways (some well publicized, do a YT search for some of them) to combat it.  Removing the mirrors was the next logical step.

Mike

[bandit957]

People used to wipe boogers on mirrors when I was in school.