Some students are returning to school with new bans in effect

[1995hoo]

People used to wipe boogers on mirrors when I was in school.

"You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't wipe your friends on the wall."

[vdeane]

As I mentioned in a post that I made above, female students would kiss wall mirrors with freshly lipsticked lips, making horrible messes, such that custodial staffs would try myriad ways (some well publicized, do a YT search for some of them) to combat it.  Removing the mirrors was the next logical step.

It strikes me that the best answer might simply be to say "such messes won't be cleaned up and if you persist in doing such things, we won't clean the mirror at all and you'll have to live with it for the rest of the school year".

[Max Rockatansky]

Is kissing mirrors something kids did back in the day?  Maybe that is an east coast thing?  I queried my wife, and she apparently never engaged in the practice during her K-12 tenure.

[Big John]

Is kissing mirrors something kids did back in the day?  Maybe that is an east coast thing?  I queried my wife, and she apparently never engaged in the practice during her K-12 tenure.

If you are in love with yourself?

[NE2]

In a mirror, you can kiss yourself only on the lips.

[SEWIGuy]

Schools exhibit a lot of retaliatory behavior. I know this firsthand.

I was retaliated against by schools when I started fighting back against their abuse.

There's this web of people in our schools, elected and appointed public offices, healthcare, and other organizations that has been colluding with each other for decades. Some of them are the same folks who were around almost 40 years ago, and they're still around, as dangerous as ever.

I feel like if that's something that has been an issue for such a big part of your life you kind of owe it to yourself to move.

I went to school in a small town where I was unpopular, and I imagine I would have remained so as the kids that picked on me grew up to be cops or mayors or whatever it is people that like to pick on others do with their lives in embarrassing small towns. After I graduated high school I moved across the river to a town that was big enough that nobody knew who I was. Never had a problem after that.

He's been complaining about his high school experience for years. Like way back in the m.t.r. days.

[formulanone]

I think you all are missing the point; glass mirrors can be shattered easily, and the glass becomes (1) a messy nuisance (2) makes authority look like crap (3) can be used as a sharp weapon. They probably think more students will waste time in front of functioning mirrors, with regards to makeup and hair.

Schools aren't doing this to improve morale, not matter how they package it.

[JayhawkCO]

I think you all are missing the point; glass mirrors can be shattered easily, and the glass becomes (1) a messy nuisance (2) makes authority look like crap (3) can be used as a sharp weapon. They probably think more students will waste time in front of functioning mirrors, with regards to makeup and hair.

Schools aren't doing this to improve morale, not matter how they package it.

Yes. Lots of history of kids shattering mirrors to make shivs.

[Max Rockatansky]

I think you all are missing the point; glass mirrors can be shattered easily, and the glass becomes (1) a messy nuisance (2) makes authority look like crap (3) can be used as a sharp weapon. They probably think more students will waste time in front of functioning mirrors, with regards to makeup and hair.

Schools aren't doing this to improve morale, not matter how they package it.

Yes. Lots of history of kids shattering mirrors to make shivs.

When I searched for an example of such an incident I didn't find anything.  I did find an example of a kid using a ninja sword though:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czddg1zvl34o

[SEWIGuy]

I think you all are missing the point; glass mirrors can be shattered easily, and the glass becomes (1) a messy nuisance (2) makes authority look like crap (3) can be used as a sharp weapon. They probably think more students will waste time in front of functioning mirrors, with regards to makeup and hair.

Schools aren't doing this to improve morale, not matter how they package it.

This is the nonsense logic that school administrators use. So congrats?

[Max Rockatansky]

I think you all are missing the point; glass mirrors can be shattered easily, and the glass becomes (1) a messy nuisance (2) makes authority look like crap (3) can be used as a sharp weapon. They probably think more students will waste time in front of functioning mirrors, with regards to makeup and hair.

Schools aren't doing this to improve morale, not matter how they package it.

This is the nonsense logic that school administrators use. So congrats?

I'd argue it is just one of those things people throw "safety branding" upon to sell it.  I have this theory that you can sell almost any nonsensical thing you want to do nowadays if you brand it somehow as a safety thing.

[Big John]

Is 7 years of bad luck not enough?

[steviep24]

Kissing the bathroom mirrors pisses off the custodian.

[Max Rockatansky]

Doesn't the janitor have to clean the mirrors daily anyways? 

[vdeane]

I think you all are missing the point; glass mirrors can be shattered easily, and the glass becomes (1) a messy nuisance (2) makes authority look like crap (3) can be used as a sharp weapon. They probably think more students will waste time in front of functioning mirrors, with regards to makeup and hair.

Schools aren't doing this to improve morale, not matter how they package it.

This is the nonsense logic that school administrators use. So congrats?

I'd argue it is just one of those things people throw "safety branding" upon to sell it.  I have this theory that you can sell almost any nonsensical thing you want to do nowadays if you brand it somehow as a safety thing.

Safety and "protecting the children".  Two things that immediately shut off critical thinking in most people and which politicians and administrators can use to justify just about anything.

[formulanone]

I think you all are missing the point; glass mirrors can be shattered easily, and the glass becomes (1) a messy nuisance (2) makes authority look like crap (3) can be used as a sharp weapon. They probably think more students will waste time in front of functioning mirrors, with regards to makeup and hair.

Schools aren't doing this to improve morale, not matter how they package it.

Yes. Lots of history of kids shattering mirrors to make shivs.

Right, because kids are never destructive.

Only makes the headlines if there's a gun involved.

[Max Rockatansky]

I think you all are missing the point; glass mirrors can be shattered easily, and the glass becomes (1) a messy nuisance (2) makes authority look like crap (3) can be used as a sharp weapon. They probably think more students will waste time in front of functioning mirrors, with regards to makeup and hair.

Schools aren't doing this to improve morale, not matter how they package it.

Yes. Lots of history of kids shattering mirrors to make shivs.

Right, because kids are never destructive.

Only makes the headlines if there's a gun involved.

Indeed, I got an A in my Anti-Terrorism college class final because nobody ever heard of this incident:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Two takeaways for me:

-  There always have been awful people who are willing to do awful things.
-  Awful people will find a way to do awful things if motivated enough.  They likely cannot ever be fully identified, mitigated or stopped.

[Rothman]

Wait, how are we going from kids smashing mirrors to make stabbing weapons to a nutcase in MI bombing a school?

[Max Rockatansky]

Wait, how are we going from kids smashing mirrors to make stabbing weapons to a nutcase in MI bombing a school?

Admittedly I can't find an actual example of a student using a broken mirror as a stabbing weapon. I would imagine the theory is that by deleting school mirrors that it would prevent someone from using a broken piece as a weapon.

My point is that if someone is willing to go as far as using broken glass as a weapon that they'll find alternate means.  In the case of Bath School Disaster the bombs were constructed from everyday goods.  Similarly all sorts of stabbing devices can be constructed for everyday household items.   Crazy finds a way around security theater.

[Rothman]

Wait, how are we going from kids smashing mirrors to make stabbing weapons to a nutcase in MI bombing a school?

Admittedly I can't find an actual example of a student using a broken mirror as a stabbing weapon. I would imagine the theory is that by deleting school mirrors that it would prevent someone from using a broken piece as a weapon.

My point is that if someone is willing to go as far as using broken glass as a weapon that they'll find alternate means.  In the case of Bath School Disaster the bombs were constructed from everyday goods.  Similarly all sorts of stabbing devices can be constructed for everyday household items. 

I thought we were talking about students doing harmful things, rather than bad actors from the outside.

Suffice it to say that bad things will always happen by bad eggs and there has to be a line between reasonable rules of conduct and oppressive and ineffective policy.

[Max Rockatansky]

Wait, how are we going from kids smashing mirrors to make stabbing weapons to a nutcase in MI bombing a school?

Admittedly I can't find an actual example of a student using a broken mirror as a stabbing weapon. I would imagine the theory is that by deleting school mirrors that it would prevent someone from using a broken piece as a weapon.

My point is that if someone is willing to go as far as using broken glass as a weapon that they'll find alternate means.  In the case of Bath School Disaster the bombs were constructed from everyday goods.  Similarly all sorts of stabbing devices can be constructed for everyday household items. 

I thought we were talking about students doing harmful things, rather than bad actors from the outside.

Suffice it to say that bad things will always happen by bad eggs and there has to be a line between reasonable rules of conduct and oppressive and ineffective policy.

While not a student, Andrew Kehoe wasn't an outsider.  He had free access to the school facilities given he was part of the school board.  Likewise a student could probably fly under the radar, albeit probably not quite to that extent.  It was the most extreme example of a mass killing in a school that I could think of that didn't involve conventional weaponry like firearms.

[Rothman]

Wait, how are we going from kids smashing mirrors to make stabbing weapons to a nutcase in MI bombing a school?

Admittedly I can't find an actual example of a student using a broken mirror as a stabbing weapon. I would imagine the theory is that by deleting school mirrors that it would prevent someone from using a broken piece as a weapon.

My point is that if someone is willing to go as far as using broken glass as a weapon that they'll find alternate means.  In the case of Bath School Disaster the bombs were constructed from everyday goods.  Similarly all sorts of stabbing devices can be constructed for everyday household items. 

I thought we were talking about students doing harmful things, rather than bad actors from the outside.

Suffice it to say that bad things will always happen by bad eggs and there has to be a line between reasonable rules of conduct and oppressive and ineffective policy.

While not a student, Andrew Kehoe wasn't an outsider.  He had free access to the school facilities given he was part of the school board.  Likewise a student could probably fly under the radar, albeit probably not quite to that extent.  It was the most extreme example of a mass killing in a school that I could think of that didn't involve conventional weaponry like firearms.

So...what school bans would be proposed against students due to a school board member that goes nuts after losing an election?

[Max Rockatansky]

Wait, how are we going from kids smashing mirrors to make stabbing weapons to a nutcase in MI bombing a school?

Admittedly I can't find an actual example of a student using a broken mirror as a stabbing weapon. I would imagine the theory is that by deleting school mirrors that it would prevent someone from using a broken piece as a weapon.

My point is that if someone is willing to go as far as using broken glass as a weapon that they'll find alternate means.  In the case of Bath School Disaster the bombs were constructed from everyday goods.  Similarly all sorts of stabbing devices can be constructed for everyday household items. 

I thought we were talking about students doing harmful things, rather than bad actors from the outside.

Suffice it to say that bad things will always happen by bad eggs and there has to be a line between reasonable rules of conduct and oppressive and ineffective policy.

While not a student, Andrew Kehoe wasn't an outsider.  He had free access to the school facilities given he was part of the school board.  Likewise a student could probably fly under the radar, albeit probably not quite to that extent.  It was the most extreme example of a mass killing in a school that I could think of that didn't involve conventional weaponry like firearms.

So...what school bans would be proposed against students due to a school board member that goes nuts after losing an election?

I would say that it wouldn't matter what they did/did not ban.  If someone has that much hate and determination there isn't much anyone can do to stop them.

[SectorZ]

Wait, how are we going from kids smashing mirrors to make stabbing weapons to a nutcase in MI bombing a school?

Admittedly I can't find an actual example of a student using a broken mirror as a stabbing weapon. I would imagine the theory is that by deleting school mirrors that it would prevent someone from using a broken piece as a weapon.

My point is that if someone is willing to go as far as using broken glass as a weapon that they'll find alternate means.  In the case of Bath School Disaster the bombs were constructed from everyday goods.  Similarly all sorts of stabbing devices can be constructed for everyday household items. 

I thought we were talking about students doing harmful things, rather than bad actors from the outside.

Suffice it to say that bad things will always happen by bad eggs and there has to be a line between reasonable rules of conduct and oppressive and ineffective policy.

While not a student, Andrew Kehoe wasn't an outsider.  He had free access to the school facilities given he was part of the school board.  Likewise a student could probably fly under the radar, albeit probably not quite to that extent.  It was the most extreme example of a mass killing in a school that I could think of that didn't involve conventional weaponry like firearms.

It's kinda the worst if you include firearms as well.

I will say that in cases like this adults are much better at flying under the radar and being subtle than teens are. So many times adults do stupid stuff we get the neighbors that "couldn't believe they could do this" yet most teens telegraph their viciousness well in advance. The problem is identifying those that have morals and are merely angry as hell versus the ones who will go that step that involves no going back.

[Max Rockatansky]

Wait, how are we going from kids smashing mirrors to make stabbing weapons to a nutcase in MI bombing a school?

Admittedly I can't find an actual example of a student using a broken mirror as a stabbing weapon. I would imagine the theory is that by deleting school mirrors that it would prevent someone from using a broken piece as a weapon.

My point is that if someone is willing to go as far as using broken glass as a weapon that they'll find alternate means.  In the case of Bath School Disaster the bombs were constructed from everyday goods.  Similarly all sorts of stabbing devices can be constructed for everyday household items. 

I thought we were talking about students doing harmful things, rather than bad actors from the outside.

Suffice it to say that bad things will always happen by bad eggs and there has to be a line between reasonable rules of conduct and oppressive and ineffective policy.

While not a student, Andrew Kehoe wasn't an outsider.  He had free access to the school facilities given he was part of the school board.  Likewise a student could probably fly under the radar, albeit probably not quite to that extent.  It was the most extreme example of a mass killing in a school that I could think of that didn't involve conventional weaponry like firearms.

It's kinda the worst if you include firearms as well.

I will say that in cases like this adults are much better at flying under the radar and being subtle than teens are. So many times adults do stupid stuff we get the neighbors that "couldn't believe they could do this" yet most teens telegraph their viciousness well in advance. The problem is identifying those that have morals and are merely angry as hell versus the ones who will go that step that involves no going back.

And that's just it, as a whole public institutions like schools do a completely shit job at identifying and dealing with violence prone individuals.  Rather than attempting to find a way to adapt usually they resort to security theater measures.  It is easier to punish everyone rather than deal with the root problem.  Like you said, kids tend to telegraph their intentions and feelings more than adults.

FWIW security theater placates adults (parents in particular) over safety concerns.  It doesn't matter if the actual safety is illusory if it appears as though something is being done.