Some students are returning to school with new bans in effect

[GaryV]

I think you all are missing the point; glass mirrors can be shattered easily, and the glass becomes (1) a messy nuisance (2) makes authority look like crap (3) can be used as a sharp weapon. They probably think more students will waste time in front of functioning mirrors, with regards to makeup and hair.

Schools aren't doing this to improve morale, not matter how they package it.

Yes. Lots of history of kids shattering mirrors to make shivs.

Maybe we ought to board up all the windows. Because they can be broken, can make a mess, and the pieces used as weapons. Right?

[GaryV]

Doesn't the janitor have to clean the mirrors daily anyways? 

Sure. But they shouldn't have to scrub off greasy colored paste left behind by lipstick.

Still, I wonder just how big of a problem this is.

I seem to recall a story about a janitor dipping his squeegee into the toilet to clean the mirrors while someone could see him. (And then cleaned it for real after the watcher had left.) Word got around quickly. No more kissing mirrors.

[Big John]

I think you all are missing the point; glass mirrors can be shattered easily, and the glass becomes (1) a messy nuisance (2) makes authority look like crap (3) can be used as a sharp weapon. They probably think more students will waste time in front of functioning mirrors, with regards to makeup and hair.

Schools aren't doing this to improve morale, not matter how they package it.

Yes. Lots of history of kids shattering mirrors to make shivs.

Maybe we ought to board up all the windows. Because they can be broken, can make a mess, and the pieces used as weapons. Right?

Or adding windows to non-private parts of the bathroom to monitor what is happening, like what is being done around here.

[Rothman]

Doesn't the janitor have to clean the mirrors daily anyways? 

Sure. But they shouldn't have to scrub off greasy colored paste left behind by lipstick.

Still, I wonder just how big of a problem this is.

I seem to recall a story about a janitor dipping his squeegee into the toilet to clean the mirrors while someone could see him. (And then cleaned it for real after the watcher had left.) Word got around quickly. No more kissing mirrors.

That would be in the silly video a few posts above yours.

[hbelkins]

People used to wipe boogers on mirrors when I was in school.

Which just proves my point about kissing mirrors.

[kalvado]

Google returns plenty of goods for "unbreakable mirror" request. They are likely easy to scratch though. 

[bandit957]

Contrast today versus the conditions of the 1970s, and it's horrifying just how authoritarian our society has become.

[SEWIGuy]

Contrast today versus the conditions of the 1970s, and it's horrifying just how authoritarian our society has become.

In some ways, yes. In many ways, no. For instance, I think being gay in the 1970s would have been a lot harder than it is now.

[LilianaUwU]

For instance, I think being gay in the 1970s would have been a lot harder than it is now.

At least in the 1970s politicians didn't openly call for a LGBTQ genocide.

[Rothman]

For instance, I think being gay in the 1970s would have been a lot harder than it is now.

At least in the 1970s politicians didn't openly call for a LGBTQ genocide.

Hm.  Back then, I think they were happy with the status quo of the LGBTQ community being shoved to the barely seen fringe.

[SEWIGuy]

For instance, I think being gay in the 1970s would have been a lot harder than it is now.

At least in the 1970s politicians didn't openly call for a LGBTQ genocide.

Sure they did.

[kalvado]

For instance, I think being gay in the 1970s would have been a lot harder than it is now.

At least in the 1970s politicians didn't openly call for a LGBTQ genocide.

"Genocide" assumes elimination of genetic pool ...

[vdeane]

For instance, I think being gay in the 1970s would have been a lot harder than it is now.

At least in the 1970s politicians didn't openly call for a LGBTQ genocide.

Hm.  Back then, I think they were happy with the status quo of the LGBTQ community being shoved to the barely seen fringe.

There certainly are advantages to being invisible rather than having a target on your back...

I feel like there have been quite a few changes over the last decade in particular.  For example, even those who weren't fond of trans people tended to have a begrudging tolerance of those who were post-op; that's gone now.

[SEWIGuy]

For instance, I think being gay in the 1970s would have been a lot harder than it is now.

At least in the 1970s politicians didn't openly call for a LGBTQ genocide.

Hm.  Back then, I think they were happy with the status quo of the LGBTQ community being shoved to the barely seen fringe.

There certainly are advantages to being invisible rather than having a target on your back...

I feel like there have been quite a few changes over the last decade in particular.  For example, even those who weren't fond of trans people tended to have a begrudging tolerance of those who were post-op; that's gone now.

I think people are engaging in a overly rosy view of what people considered acceptable in the past.

[formulanone]

I think you all are missing the point; glass mirrors can be shattered easily, and the glass becomes (1) a messy nuisance (2) makes authority look like crap (3) can be used as a sharp weapon. They probably think more students will waste time in front of functioning mirrors, with regards to makeup and hair.

Schools aren't doing this to improve morale, not matter how they package it.

Yes. Lots of history of kids shattering mirrors to make shivs.

Maybe we ought to board up all the windows. Because they can be broken, can make a mess, and the pieces used as weapons. Right?

You may be surprised to see how few windows are used in modern school construction. The few you see are usually double-glazed or have safety wire.

[bandit957]

You may be surprised to see how few windows are used in modern school construction. The few you see are usually double-glazed or have safety wire.

They're basically prisons.

[Rothman]

You may be surprised to see how few windows are used in modern school construction. The few you see are usually double-glazed or have safety wire.

They're basically prisons.

"You must go here or face consequences and you must follow rules and you must do this for 12 years..."  I've always found comparisons to prisons to be more apt than not.

[formulanone]

You may be surprised to see how few windows are used in modern school construction. The few you see are usually double-glazed or have safety wire.

They're basically prisons.

"You must go here or face consequences and you must follow rules and you must do this for 12 years..."  I've always found comparisons to prisons to be more apt than not.

There's something very institutional about both; typically overbuilt for time and the elements, used for forms of containment,  while keeping visitors funneled into a restricted ingress/egress.

Yeah, schools used to be more grandiose multi-level structures in cities or they looked like factories in rural spots. I guess one's feelings about school are always going to color the feelings about the structure.

[Big John]

You may be surprised to see how few windows are used in modern school construction. The few you see are usually double-glazed or have safety wire.

They're basically prisons.

"You must go here or face consequences and you must follow rules and you must do this for 12 years..."  I've always found comparisons to prisons to be more apt than not.

You didn't have kindergarten?

[SEWIGuy]

I have never compared schools to prisons...because it's a silly comparison.

[Rothman]

You may be surprised to see how few windows are used in modern school construction. The few you see are usually double-glazed or have safety wire.

They're basically prisons.

"You must go here or face consequences and you must follow rules and you must do this for 12 years..."  I've always found comparisons to prisons to be more apt than not.

You didn't have kindergarten?

I skipped kindergarten.

[Max Rockatansky]

I have never compared schools to prisons...because it's a silly comparison.

The physical security layouts a lot of newer schools use take many cues from prison complexes.  Keeping people out versus keeping them in has a lot of design  similarities. 

[SEWIGuy]

I have never compared schools to prisons...because it's a silly comparison.

The physical security layouts a lot of newer schools use take many cues from prison complexes.  Keeping people out versus keeping them in has a lot of design  similarities. 

I guess. So are office buildings and other public buildings. But what goes on inside is completely different.

[bandit957]

I guess. So are office buildings and other public buildings. But what goes on inside is completely different.

These days, they're pretty much the same.

[SEWIGuy]

I guess. So are office buildings and other public buildings. But what goes on inside is completely different.

These days, they're pretty much the same.

Not really.