Google Maps just fucking SUCKS now

[JayhawkCO]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up?

I never heard of Denali before this, so never for either name.

Interesting. Maybe just because I like mountains a lot, but I would think that most people know the name of the highest point on their continent, but maybe not.

Have you heard of Mt. Logan?

I don't pay attention to mountains.

Highest point in your own country just seems like something you'd learn in school.

I imagine that depends on your country. I can't see schools in, say, the Benelux countries bothering with that.

I have a hunch that in the Benelux countries, you're taught about Mont Blanc and Mt Elbrus though.

[Bruce]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up?

I never heard of Denali before this, so never for either name.

Interesting. Maybe just because I like mountains a lot, but I would think that most people know the name of the highest point on their continent, but maybe not.

Have you heard of Mt. Logan?

I don't pay attention to mountains.

Relevant to the conversation: the tallest point in Quebec has different names in English and French. The English name (Mount Caubvick) honors an Inuk woman, while the French name (Mont D'Iberville) is for a explorer from New France who never got close to the area.

I think the English name wins on this one.

[kphoger]

Oh, cool, I did academic bowl too.

In Oklahoma, in a situation like this, the judges' book would usually include a few alternate answers that would be judged right. A coach could also lodge a protest if they had proof that an answer judged right was ruled wrong or vice versa.

That being said, who knows what was in the judges' book, or whether your coach would have been carrying around a book that included the name Denali. But if it's true that Alaska locals had been calling it Denali at that time, I can't imagine it wouldn't have been included as an alternate answer.

Yes, we could challenge answers.  I'm not even sure the challenge had to come from a coach.  I remember challenging a couple of answers, but my memory is fuzzy because it's been so long.

I do remember that each hosting school did its own thing in creating its list of questions, so there wasn't even necessarily a "judges' book" in the sense you're thinking.  This fact became abundantly clear during one particular competition, in which the host school had compiled its list of questions from the exact same material our school's team had been practicing from.  At one point the question was read: "This California entrepreneur..." **BUZZ**  He stopped reading.  I answered:  "Orville Redenbacher".  Everyone just kind of looked at each other.  Yeah, we cleaned up that day.

Relevant to the conversation: the tallest point in Quebec has different names in English and French. The English name (Mount Caubvick) honors an Inuk woman, while the French name (Mont D'Iberville) is for a explorer from New France who never got close to the area.

I think the English name wins on this one.

And yet it didn't get its English name until ten years after (1981) it got its French name (1971);  its interim English 'name', once it was discovered (1978) that its peak was entirely within Labrador, was simply L1.

Neither the French nor the English name has been in use for even 55 years.

Caubvick never visited the mountain either.  But yeah, she was from a lot closer to it than Le Moyne d'Iberville ever got;  did he even get any closer than Fort-Rupert Waskaganish?

It is kind of flat up there.

This is not in Illinois.

A lot of Canada is like Illinois.

That's because they're both in the Midwest.

[hobsini2]

It's Route 128, the Sears Tower, and the Gulf of Mexico.

In my Chicago accent - "Dat's absolutely rite my frient! Da only Willis of consequence is on dat Different Strokes!"

[SSOWorld]

Who was DuSable?
Who is Ida B. Wells?

[kphoger]

Who was DuSable?
Who is Ida B. Wells?

It's not like I knew who Borman was either, till I googled it just now.

[Big John]

Both Alaska Republican senators are co-sponsoring a bill to have it named Mount Denali.

[formulanone]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up?

I never heard of Denali before this, so never for either name.

Interesting. Maybe just because I like mountains a lot, but I would think that most people know the name of the highest point on their continent, but maybe not.

Have you heard of Mt. Logan?

I don't pay attention to mountains.

The big ones suck because you can't put roads there.

[SSOWorld]

Both Alaska Republican senators are co-sponsoring a bill to have it named Mount Denali.

Why put Mount on every name for a mountain?

[Scott5114]

I do remember that each hosting school did its own thing in creating its list of questions, so there wasn't even necessarily a "judges' book" in the sense you're thinking.  This fact became abundantly clear during one particular competition, in which the host school had compiled its list of questions from the exact same material our school's team had been practicing from.  At one point the question was read: "This California entrepreneur..." **BUZZ**  He stopped reading.  I answered:  "Orville Redenbacher".  Everyone just kind of looked at each other.  Yeah, we cleaned up that day.

That is so weird. Our question and answer books were issued by the Oklahoma Secondary Schools Activities Association (which is basically the NCAA for Oklahoma high school sports). Schools basically only made their own question sets for practice games. (I think we may have done a few non-OSSAA-sanctioned invitational games with other schools, but those were for fun/practice and didn't advance anyone toward any championships or anything.)

A fun aside about those OSSAA championships...they basically functioned as like, a tournament of tournaments. They would put on a tournament for you and the nearby schools, then the top however many winners in those tournaments would advance to another tournament, and so on. The thing that was funny about them, though, is that they were all so ambiguously named nobody could ever remember which one was which. What's more impressive, a district championship or a regional championship? What about an area championship?

In any case, even if I was pretty sure that I knew what the question was going to say, I would normally let them read far enough until I was sure. OSSAA loved to reuse questions and then change just the last word or two so that the answer was something totally different (they could have reused your Orville Redenbacher question and changed it enough so that the answer was William Shockley).

[Scott5114]

Meanwhile, MapQuest is having fun at Google's expense by letting you choose your own adventure in the Gulf.
https://gulfof.mapquest.com/

[Big John]

^^Gulf of Water

[Molandfreak]

Gulf of British Petroleum (at least for the next century)

[freebrickproductions]

 

[LilianaUwU]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up?

I never heard of Denali before this, so never for either name.

Interesting. Maybe just because I like mountains a lot, but I would think that most people know the name of the highest point on their continent, but maybe not.

Have you heard of Mt. Logan?

I don't pay attention to mountains.

The big ones suck because you can't put roads there.

FritzOwl would disagree. And I would too, if we were in my Minecraft world.

[jakeroot]

I thought Google Maps was one of the few places I could go to escape the political bullshit...

I used to think this as well. But after studying maps for years, getting a degree in GIS, and then getting a job in the field, I've begun to realize that maps are actually extremely political. In fact, maps almost always reflect the preferences of the viewer. Mostly at the country-level, but sometimes a more micro level than that.

Over here in Japan, the sea to our west/north is called the Sea of Japan, but Korea prefers to call it the "East Sea". One body of water, two different names. And believe me, maps in Japan make zero mention of the Korean name, and Korean maps show make no mention of "Sea of Japan", either. Why? Politics.

America has traditionally avoided a lot of these types of naming disagreements, and I think it's a shame we've gotten ourselves into a new one for no real good reason, but there is so much precedent for "politics" in geographical naming conventions, it is not worth losing sleep over.

[Scott5114]

And it can get even worse than that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line

[Big John]

Surprised not mentioned yet: https://gulfof.mapquest.com/?name=Alanland

[Molandfreak]

I thought Google Maps was one of the few places I could go to escape the political bullshit...

I used to think this as well. But after studying maps for years, getting a degree in GIS, and then getting a job in the field, I've begun to realize that maps are actually extremely political. In fact, maps almost always reflect the preferences of the viewer. Mostly at the country-level, but sometimes a more micro level than that.

Over here in Japan, the sea to our west/north is called the Sea of Japan, but Korea prefers to call it the "East Sea". One body of water, two different names. And believe me, maps in Japan make zero mention of the Korean name, and Korean maps show make no mention of "Sea of Japan", either. Why? Politics.

America has traditionally avoided a lot of these types of naming disagreements, and I think it's a shame we've gotten ourselves into a new one for no real good reason, but there is so much precedent for "politics" in geographical naming conventions, it is not worth losing sleep over.

At least South Korea has a relatively recent (and good) reason not to follow the generally accepted naming convention.

[english si]

Gulf of British Petroleum (at least for the next century)

BP (as it has been called since 1998) is an entirely-US owned company and had been for years before Deepwater Horizon was built, let alone spilled.

Barry O sparked a diplomatic incident (despite the British government loving him) when he drew on his father's bigotry and insisted on incorrectly calling the company the wrong name for a period, and had to apologise.

[GaryV]

in which the host school had compiled its list of questions from the exact same material our school's team had been practicing from.  At one point the question was read: "This California entrepreneur..." **BUZZ**  He stopped reading.  I answered:  "Orville Redenbacher".  Everyone just kind of looked at each other.  Yeah, we cleaned up that day.

Something similar happened to me in a grad class. We had an open book exam scheduled. Several of us had gotten together to study. We found a resource from another university to help us. Got to the exam, and lo and behold, it was that resource. I looked at Jo who had found it, and we shared a slight smile. The challenge was copying the answers slow enough. Poor Alan, he hadn't printed the resource, so he knew it was familiar, but couldn't just copy the answers. We felt no remorse whatsoever - if the prof was going to plagiarize a test from another university, there was no shame in copying the answers.

[Big John]

I do remember that each hosting school did its own thing in creating its list of questions, so there wasn't even necessarily a "judges' book" in the sense you're thinking.  This fact became abundantly clear during one particular competition, in which the host school had compiled its list of questions from the exact same material our school's team had been practicing from.  At one point the question was read: "This California entrepreneur..." **BUZZ**  He stopped reading.  I answered:  "Orville Redenbacher".  Everyone just kind of looked at each other.  Yeah, we cleaned up that day.

I thought he was from Indiana.

[hobsini2]

Who was DuSable?
Who is Ida B. Wells?

Jean Baptiste Pointe DuSable was the first permanent nonnative settler of what became Chicago in the 1780s.
Ida B Wells was a journalist, teacher, activist and one of the founders of the NAACP.

If you read the history of both of these figures, they are worthy of being honored.

That being said, I do not refer to Lake Shore Dr or Congress Pkwy by the current names. There's plenty of numbered streets that could have been renamed and it's not like Chicago has not done that before.
12th became Roosevelt Rd (after President Teddy Roosevelt)
22nd became Cermak Rd (after Anton Cermak, mayor of Chicago who was killed riding with FDR)
39th became Pershing Rd (after General John Pershing)
55th became Garfield Blvd (after President James Garfield)
67th became Marquette Blvd (after Father Jacques Marquette who explored the Fox, Wisconsin, Mississippi, Illinois, Des Plaines and Chicago Rivers with Louis Jolliet)

[1995hoo]

in which the host school had compiled its list of questions from the exact same material our school's team had been practicing from.  At one point the question was read: "This California entrepreneur..." **BUZZ**  He stopped reading.  I answered:  "Orville Redenbacher".  Everyone just kind of looked at each other.  Yeah, we cleaned up that day.

Something similar happened to me in a grad class. We had an open book exam scheduled. Several of us had gotten together to study. We found a resource from another university to help us. Got to the exam, and lo and behold, it was that resource. I looked at Jo who had found it, and we shared a slight smile. The challenge was copying the answers slow enough. Poor Alan, he hadn't printed the resource, so he knew it was familiar, but couldn't just copy the answers. We felt no remorse whatsoever - if the prof was going to plagiarize a test from another university, there was no shame in copying the answers.

I remember an incident when I was in high school when our chemistry teacher gave a test. We were to respond to certain designated sections on the front of the page and certain designated sections on the back. But she said we could do the other sections for extra credit if we wanted. I finished the test quickly, so I started doing the other sections, and I immediately discovered the sections she had not assigned gave the answers for the other sections she did assign, so I went back and was using it to check my answers. She then realized I had figured it out and she BLEW UP yelling about it, saying it's dishonest to take advantage of the test. My reaction was, hey, that's your fault, not mine. You handed out a test that gave all the answers. I kind of wanted her to take it to the principal and accuse me of cheating, but she was smart enough not to do that and instead she scrapped the test altogether.

[Rothman]

in which the host school had compiled its list of questions from the exact same material our school's team had been practicing from.  At one point the question was read: "This California entrepreneur..." **BUZZ**  He stopped reading.  I answered:  "Orville Redenbacher".  Everyone just kind of looked at each other.  Yeah, we cleaned up that day.

Something similar happened to me in a grad class. We had an open book exam scheduled. Several of us had gotten together to study. We found a resource from another university to help us. Got to the exam, and lo and behold, it was that resource. I looked at Jo who had found it, and we shared a slight smile. The challenge was copying the answers slow enough. Poor Alan, he hadn't printed the resource, so he knew it was familiar, but couldn't just copy the answers. We felt no remorse whatsoever - if the prof was going to plagiarize a test from another university, there was no shame in copying the answers.

I remember an incident when I was in high school when our chemistry teacher gave a test. We were to respond to certain designated sections on the front of the page and certain designated sections on the back. But she said we could do the other sections for extra credit if we wanted. I finished the test quickly, so I started doing the other sections, and I immediately discovered the sections she had not assigned gave the answers for the other sections she did assign, so I went back and was using it to check my answers. She then realized I had figured it out and she BLEW UP yelling about it, saying it's dishonest to take advantage of the test. My reaction was, hey, that's your fault, not mine. You handed out a test that gave all the answers. I kind of wanted her to take it to the principal and accuse me of cheating, but she was smart enough not to do that and instead she scrapped the test altogether.

She figured it out?  How?