Amazon takes control of Bond Franchise

[Max Rockatansky]

I have a beef with how Bond is mocked as a womanizer. I guess slut shaming is okay when it's done to men.

Who is mocking him as a womanizer?

That's what I was wondering too.  But I just figured I was out of the loop and social media was abuzz with Bond-mocking or something.

Have you not seen Goldeneye?

Since when is Goldeneye modern?  That movie came out in 1995.

[kphoger]

I have a beef with how Bond is mocked as a womanizer. I guess slut shaming is okay when it's done to men.

Who is mocking him as a womanizer?

That's what I was wondering too.  But I just figured I was out of the loop and social media was abuzz with Bond-mocking or something.

Have you not seen Goldeneye?

Yes, I've seen it.  What does that have to do with the question?  Was there a character in Goldeneye that mocked James Bond for being a womanizer, and is that character still doing so today?  If not, then I reiterate:  Who is mocking him as a womanizer?  Seems like it's just you.

[kernals12]

I have a beef with how Bond is mocked as a womanizer. I guess slut shaming is okay when it's done to men.

Who is mocking him as a womanizer?

That's what I was wondering too.  But I just figured I was out of the loop and social media was abuzz with Bond-mocking or something.

Have you not seen Goldeneye?

Yes, I've seen it.  What does that have to do with the question?  Was there a character in Goldeneye that mocked James Bond for being a womanizer, and is that character still doing so today?  If not, then I reiterate:  Who is mocking him as a womanizer?  Seems like it's just you.

[Max Rockatansky]

Oh come on, Xenia Onatopp was the main female villain in GoldenEye.  She literally gets off by killing dudes and being killed by Bond.

[kernals12]

Oh come on, Xenia Onatopp was the main female villain in GoldenEye.  She literally gets off by killing dudes and being killed by Bond.

She was not a villain, she was a henchwoman.

[Max Rockatansky]

Oh come on, Xenia Onatopp was the main female villain in GoldenEye.  She literally gets off by killing dudes and being killed by Bond.

She was not a villain, she was a henchwoman.

She always did enjoy a good squeeze.

[Rothman]

Which one was the one that wanted Bond to sign a statement that she was the best?

[kernals12]

Which one was the one that wanted Bond to sign a statement that she was the best?

Fatima Blush from Never Say Never Again

[english si]

Looking at the British fans' reaction to this, it's the mixed thing that there's zero faith in Amazon to deliver, but also the problem that the franchise doesn't work in the current year due to what was called 'enshittification' upthread - and despite Barbara Broccoli holding a lot of studio pressures back that we still ended up with the late Craig-era and No Time to Die. So the view ends up as a shrug that it's hard for Amazon to be worse.

Disney has been terrible for Doctor Who.  Although the party line has been that Disney would only act as a distributor, their behind-closed-doors influence on the show is as obvious as the Russian-sourced polonium that sometimes pops up in journalist's beverages...

I take it you are unfamiliar with Auntie Beeb. Disney was not necessary for the downfall of Who. It's not mentioned at all in UK discourse about why the series declined.

[Rothman]

Looking at the British fans' reaction to this, it's the mixed thing that there's zero faith in Amazon to deliver, but also the problem that the franchise doesn't work in the current year due to what was called 'enshittification' upthread - and despite Barbara Broccoli holding a lot of studio pressures back that we still ended up with the late Craig-era and No Time to Die. So the view ends up as a shrug that it's hard for Amazon to be worse.

Disney has been terrible for Doctor Who.  Although the party line has been that Disney would only act as a distributor, their behind-closed-doors influence on the show is as obvious as the Russian-sourced polonium that sometimes pops up in journalist's beverages...

I take it you are unfamiliar with Auntie Beeb. Disney was not necessary for the downfall of Who. It's not mentioned at all in UK discourse about why the series declined.

I find a decent number of British fans are deluded by the simple BBC line that they retained creative control in their agreement.

A tip of the hat to the old East India Company and the legacy of British capitalism, but, for those of us who have lived close to the Mouse's cutthroatness and see Disney Channel sitcom influences and fingerprints all over the Gatwa Era, those Brit fans come across as ridiculously naive when it comes to American savagery in our take on the economic system.

To think Disney would not care about the content it is distributing under its banner and not use its sole global distribution rights as leverage is first-grade level innocence.  Rumors are already circulating that Disney is disappointed in the ratings and may pull out of the arrangement...which, please, let it happen even if it means another decade-long-plus hiatus.

[kernals12]

A tip of the hat to the old East India Company and the legacy of British capitalism, but, for those of us who have lived close to the Mouse's cutthroatness and see Disney Channel sitcom influences and fingerprints all over the Gatwa Era, those Brit fans come across as ridiculously naive when it comes to American savagery in our take on the economic system.

Doctor Who was in decline well before Disney took over.

[SP Cook]

- I would not put Amazon anywhere near the catagory of Disney in terms of ruining "franchise" series.  Corporate spies sent from a rival could not do more harm to Disney than it has via its self-inflicted wounds.

- Bond has been up and down for years.  A new start requires a new actor with the unique ability to pull off the character. 

- The one way to ruin Bond, would be to dial back on the lifestyle Bond lives.  He drinks and he chases women.  If you want to make a picture different than that, have at it.  Don't call it Bond.

[kernals12]

- I would not put Amazon anywhere near the catagory of Disney in terms of ruining "franchise" series.  Corporate spies sent from a rival could not do more harm to Disney than it has via its self-inflicted wounds.

- Bond has been up and down for years.  A new start requires a new actor with the unique ability to pull off the character. 

- The one way to ruin Bond, would be to dial back on the lifestyle Bond lives.  He drinks and he chases women.  If you want to make a picture different than that, have at it.  Don't call it Bond.

I wouldn't be so sure. Look at what they did with Rings of Power. If they can make orcs into sympathetic characters, they can definitely take away James Bond's libido

[Scott5114]

And some of his pickups in the novels were even sillier than the movies. 

But were they sillier than "alive girl"?

[Max Rockatansky]

And some of his pickups in the novels were even sillier than the movies. 

Sillier than "alive girl"?

I dunno now, I had forgotten about the third nipple scene from The Man With The Golden Gun before I wrote that.

[english si]

I find a decent number of British fans are deluded by the simple BBC line that they retained creative control in their agreement.

No, you are deluded that only The Mouse™ is terrible. Auntie is too* - its other output, even with no involvement of Disney has seen similar problems that have infected Disney. The British fans are much more informed about the BBC than you will be.

*And to use a classic BBCism: "other media companies with crapified content are available".

[Rothman]

I find a decent number of British fans are deluded by the simple BBC line that they retained creative control in their agreement.

No, you are deluded that only The Mouse™ is terrible. Auntie is too* - its other output, even with no involvement of Disney has seen similar problems that have infected Disney. The British fans are much more informed about the BBC than you will be.

*And to use a classic BBCism: "other media companies with crapified content are available".

Heh.  Not really.  There's little question Chibnall tanked the series, but the idea was that bringing back RTD would resurrect it.  I think that things could have turned out somewhat better had Disney not been involved,

So, of course both are to blame.  Defenders of even the crud that's being pumped out now claim Disney hasn't had an influence.

I half-expect the next episodes to have laugh tracks...

[SP Cook]

Just read this.  Tick, tock, tick, tock.  James Bond enters the public domain in 2035 in the USA and Europe (already is in Canada, which uses a different measure).  At best Amazon might get off three movies before anyone can make one. 

[Scott5114]

Just read this.  Tick, tock, tick, tock.  James Bond enters the public domain in 2035 in the USA and Europe (already is in Canada, which uses a different measure).  At best Amazon might get off three movies before anyone can make one. 

Then again, given how Never Say Never Again turned out, who's to say any public-domain Bond would be any better?

[Max Rockatansky]

Just read this.  Tick, tock, tick, tock.  James Bond enters the public domain in 2035 in the USA and Europe (already is in Canada, which uses a different measure).  At best Amazon might get off three movies before anyone can make one. 

Then again, given how Never Say Never Again turned out, who's to say any public-domain Bond would be any better?

Said film has some of the best weird Bond moments.  If something isn't going to be all that good the least it can be is memorably strange or campy. 

[kkt]

Why would any girl accept James Bond if she knows she won't last?

cause it'll be fun for a while anyway?

[kkt]

Which one was the one that wanted Bond to sign a statement that she was the best?

Fatima Blush from Never Say Never Again

Wow.  I think I saw that once in the theatre when it came out, but it's very hard to find on any home media.  I remember being surprised to see bare breasts in a Bond flick.

[Max Rockatansky]

Why would any girl accept James Bond if she knows she won't last?

cause it'll be fun for a while anyway?

Quite a few people don't want to be in a committed relationship.

[Rothman]

Which one was the one that wanted Bond to sign a statement that she was the best?

Fatima Blush from Never Say Never Again

Wow.  I think I saw that once in the theatre when it came out, but it's very hard to find on any home media.  I remember being surprised to see bare breasts in a Bond flick.

Don't believe that one had outright nudity in it.  Dr. No very briefly did.

[kkt]

As far as Amazon, maybe.  It's certainly better than Disney would be. 

Judi Dench was a great M, I'm sorry she's not playing that role any more. 

I would not be opposed to trying a female Bond - but she'd have to have the same enthusiasm for sex and booze and Aston Martins as James, and also great shot, athletic, knowledgable, etc. etc.  I picture a personality a lot like Faith in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.