What ever happened to the counterculture?

[roadman65]

Overall the counter culture just became the norm. It really didn't disappear as those from that era are in charge

Remember Bill Clinton was the first hippie to become president followed by Barack Obama later.

So the protesters of the 60s and 70s are finally in position of where the previous generation was before them.

Ah yes, famous hippie Barack Obama - who first gained notoriety for skipping two days of third grade to attend Woodstock and who later burned his draft card while at the age of 10.

I'm talking about m/o, not that he was there living the events.

[Max Rockatansky]

I'm waiting for him to send the troops in to take Greenland by force.

I'm waiting for Barrack Obama to act on the call to annex "all of Mexico."

[roadman65]

I'm waiting for him to send the troops in to take Greenland by force.

I'm waiting for Barrack Obama to act on the call to annex "all of Mexico."

The him was a response to the post above that one.
mgk920 post about history going to repeat itself.

Apparently some other user posted while I was drafting my post to the other.  I didnt expect another reply that soon to get between us 

[DTComposer]

Overall the counter culture just became the norm. It really didn't disappear as those from that era are in charge

Remember Bill Clinton was the first hippie to become president followed by Barack Obama later.

So the protesters of the 60s and 70s are finally in position of where the previous generation was before them.

Ah yes, famous hippie Barack Obama - who first gained notoriety for skipping two days of third grade to attend Woodstock and who later burned his draft card while at the age of 10.

I'm talking about m/o, not that he was there living the events.

Fair, but your post doesn't read that way - it implies that he was a "protesters of the 60s and 70s".

That said, what about Obama's m/o says hippie to you, other than getting stoned in high school (which was hardly an exclusively hippie behavior in the mid/late '70s)? Private prep school, Columbia and Harvard Law don't exactly scream counter-culture to me.

[roadman65]

Overall the counter culture just became the norm. It really didn't disappear as those from that era are in charge

Remember Bill Clinton was the first hippie to become president followed by Barack Obama later.

So the protesters of the 60s and 70s are finally in position of where the previous generation was before them.

Ah yes, famous hippie Barack Obama - who first gained notoriety for skipping two days of third grade to attend Woodstock and who later burned his draft card while at the age of 10.

I'm talking about m/o, not that he was there living the events.

Fair, but your post doesn't read that way - it implies that he was a "protesters of the 60s and 70s".

That said, what about Obama's m/o says hippie to you, other than getting stoned in high school (which was hardly an exclusively hippie behavior in the mid/late '70s)? Private prep school, Columbia and Harvard Law don't exactly scream counter-culture to me.

When you're talking about a politician you're usually referring to politics.  Yes Barack Obama was not old enough, but considering today's left is ideally aligned ( and off shooted from the counterculture) from the hippie mindset, it's safe to call anyone embracing hippie ideas to be one.

I should have been more clear on that, my bad.  However with too many people talking in this computer and media world many things seem way too synonymous and you forget that not all people see the same way.

[kphoger]

considering today's left is ideally aligned ( and off shooted from the counterculture) from the hippie mindset, it's safe to call anyone embracing hippie ideas to be one.

wtf?

No, it is not safe to call everyone on the Left a 'hippie'.

By your argument, because American social conservatism has been allied with the religious Right since the early 1980s, it's safe to call anyone embracing Judeo-Christian ethics a 'Christian'.

That has a first name, and it's O-S-C-A-R.

[JayhawkCO]

Agreed with Kyle. I'm pretty left leaning, but I'm not handcuffing myself to trees and wearing tie-dye. I also think the Grateful Dead is quite overrated.

[DTComposer]

considering today's left is ideally aligned ( and off shooted from the counterculture) from the hippie mindset, it's safe to call anyone embracing hippie ideas to be one.

wtf?

No, it is not safe to call everyone on the Left a 'hippie'.

By your argument, because American social conservatism has been allied with the religious Right since the early 1980s, it's safe to call anyone embracing Judeo-Christian ethics a 'Christian'.

That has a first name, and it's O-S-C-A-R.

Agreed. Today's actual left/progressives may share many of the same goals and ideals as the hippies, but their methodology is quite different.

Clinton, Obama, and Biden are considered centrists or even "Neo-liberals" (which is much more conservative in viewpoint than the name might suggest) by most progressives.

[Max Rockatansky]

Biden is a Centrist?  Yeah his campaign was billed that way but that wasn't how his presidency was steered by the end. 

I'd love to another true Centrist in the Executive branch again.  I don't foresee that moderate politics becoming in vogue again anytime soon.

[kphoger]

Biden is a Centrist?  Yeah his campaign was billed that way but that wasn't how his presidency was steered by the end. 

It depends who you ask.  People with a more global perspective will call him a centrist, while people with a more national perspective will call him a leftist.

Frankly, I find the latter more useful.  Saying that both parties are, by European standards, to the right of center:  this does not move a conversation in any meaningful direction 90% of the time.

[LilianaUwU]

I'll steer us all back to alcohol by saying I never drank alcohol in my life.

[Max Rockatansky]

I only saw my dad drink half a bottle of beer.  He had a thing against alcohol because my Grandpa, my uncle and one of my aunt's were alcoholics.  Strangely though, he had a lot of vices normally associated with drug or alcohol abuse which caught up with him later in life.

[JayhawkCO]

I'll steer us all back to alcohol by saying I never drank alcohol in my life.

And you are both missing out and also 100% not.

[kphoger]

I'll steer us all back to alcohol by saying I never drank alcohol in my life.

I did once, but I didn't inhale.

I only saw my dad drink half a bottle of beer.  He had a thing against alcohol because my Grandpa, my uncle and one of my aunt's were alcoholics.  Strangely though, he had a lot of vices normally associated with drug or alcohol abuse which caught up with him later in life.

My dad's side of the family had a lot of alcoholics.  Presumably for that reason, my grandfather, despite being a second-generation German-American, did not drink at all.  He outlived all of his siblings.

I'll steer us all back to alcohol by saying I never drank alcohol in my life.

And you are both missing out and also 100% not.

Or...
Thank you for steering me back to alcohol.  I didn't realize how much I missed it!

[Max Rockatansky]

My dad died at 59 and was by far the youngest of his generation to go.  Despite all that staying away from alcohol and even tobacco he ended up with an inoperable brain tumor.  Every one of my Grandparents who drank and smoked heavily outlived him by at least one decade. 

I should clarify that my dad was not a healthy man.  He became ever overweight, had severe asthma and even ended up with cardio myopathy.  That said, sometimes you really don't know when some disease is just going to spring up and take you.  Brain cancer doesn't seem to have been something any healthy lifestyle choice was going to prevent. 

[7/8]

I'll steer us all back to alcohol by saying I never drank alcohol in my life.

Does that mean not even a sip? I didn't think that was possible for a Canadian!

I've never been drunk myself, but I've had sips of various drinks to give them a try, and I had a full beer for my friends bachelor party lol. I can't stand the taste though, it's only tolerable in the really fruity drinks which mask the alcohol. It fascinates me that people enjoy the flavour of beer and wine.

[Big John]

I'll steer us all back to alcohol by saying I never drank alcohol in my life.

Does that mean not even a sip? I didn't think that was possible for a Canadian!

I've never been drunk myself, but I've had sips of various drinks to give them a try, and I had a full beer for my friends bachelor party lol. I can't stand the taste though, it's only tolerable in the really fruity drinks which mask the alcohol. It fascinates me that people enjoy the flavour of beer and wine.

Did you see the movie Strange Brew about Canadian beer?

[Max Rockatansky]

I'm mostly a beer guy nowadays but I'll drink pretty much anything with alcohol in it.  My wife recently tasked me with "getting rid" of the extra wine from our wedding in 2019.  It took about two months to get through the excess ten or so bottles.

[kphoger]

I only ever buy beer to cook with.  Don't really like it.

[7/8]

Did you see the movie Strange Brew about Canadian beer?

Sorry, I haven't seen that one. I've heard of Bob and Doug though.

[JayhawkCO]

I only ever buy beer to cook with.  Don't really like it.

I rarely drink beer at home, but we go to a lot of breweries. I drink mostly wine at home with a neat spirit maybe at the end of the evening for a nightcap.

[Takumi]

I brewery hopped (no pun intended) a lot in my late 20s and early 30s, as the craft beer scene in Richmond boomed. Nowadays my wife and I will go once or twice a year. Otherwise I drink about once or twice a month. I typically stay away from liquor as I've found that it's particularly addictive to me and that's what killed my mom.

[Max Rockatansky]

I only ever buy beer to cook with.  Don't really like it.

I rarely drink beer at home, but we go to a lot of breweries. I drink mostly wine at home with a neat spirit maybe at the end of the evening for a nightcap.

Beer is good for sitting down for a while and sipping on something.  I drink it mostly while writing highway blogs or watching sports. 

My wife has made the argument that I can sip on anything and it doesn't need to be beer.  I don't necessarily disagree with the assessment but I find beer relaxing some reason.   Social drinking is more her thing but isn't my bag.

[kphoger]

I find beer relaxing some reason.

pretty sure it's the alcohol yo

[Max Rockatansky]

I find beer relaxing some reason.

pretty sure it's the alcohol yo

I'm not so sure about that.  I can get the same sensation from sipping on caffeinated drinks.