With the forum search broken, should we let guests view fictional/mass transit?

[Roadgeekteen]

In this case it's not so much to let guests view it, it's more so that the Google search be able to find it. It's pretty much impossible to search for threads in mass transit now. I do get the arguments for keeping them closed, but new users can't ever register now. Mass Transit I think certainly should be guest viewable, transit nerds (including myself) have plenty of other subreddits and very few would intentionally sign up for a road forum to harass roadgeeks. Fictional I get more but I still don't think it would hurt that much to have it be guest visible. This is more for our convenience searching though, I accidently duplicated a thread in mass transit as Google search didn't find it.

Edit: well it looks like search works within boards so this may not be necessary but I still don't think it would hurt.

[Max Rockatansky]

Having Fictional visible to the larger world isn't the feature you think it to be.

[formulanone]

Having Fictional visible to the larger world isn't the feature you think it to be.

We ever getting that Interegionalroutrapulupoafugus Show or was that a fever dream?

This is an admin-owner decision.

[Max Rockatansky]

Having Fictional visible to the larger world isn't the feature you think it to be.

We ever getting that Interegionalroutropolupoafgus Show or was that a fever dream?

Haven't heard of that.  Then again it could have been buried Alanland, the plans of FritzOwl or all manner of helicopter graphing hook variants. 

[Roadgeekteen]

Fictional is one thing, I see no reason why the transit board has to be hidden.

[Max Rockatansky]

Fictional is one thing, I see no reason why the transit board has to be hidden.

I like being able to talk about current transit stories peacefully.  Anti-transit folks and urbanists muck that up off forum.

[Roadgeekteen]

Fictional is one thing, I see no reason why the transit board has to be hidden.

I like being able to talk about current transit stories peacefully.  Anti-transit folks and urbanists muck that up off forum.

Most of the urbanists that post in that forum (and on this forum) are also roadgeeks as well who just have varied interests in all forms of transportation. The only big notable super anti-transit member is K12 who has been banned from Reddit already but doesn't cause too much trouble.

[Max Rockatansky]

Fictional is one thing, I see no reason why the transit board has to be hidden.

I like being able to talk about current transit stories peacefully.  Anti-transit folks and urbanists muck that up off forum.

Most of the urbanists that post in that forum (and on this forum) are also roadgeeks as well who just have varied interests in all forms of transportation. The only big notable super anti-transit member is K12 who has been banned from Reddit already but doesn't cause too much trouble.

And you want to attract more folks with extreme takes?  Look up High Speed Rail anything on Facebook and check the nastiness in comments. 

[Roadgeekteen]

Fictional is one thing, I see no reason why the transit board has to be hidden.

I like being able to talk about current transit stories peacefully.  Anti-transit folks and urbanists muck that up off forum.

Most of the urbanists that post in that forum (and on this forum) are also roadgeeks as well who just have varied interests in all forms of transportation. The only big notable super anti-transit member is K12 who has been banned from Reddit already but doesn't cause too much trouble.

And you want to attract more folks with extreme takes?  Look up High Speed Rail anything on Facebook and check the nastiness in comments. 

I mean I guess, but this forum barely attracts anyone in general nowadays so not sure if much would actually change...

Plus I think that's more facebook that's the issue than the rail

[formulanone]

You know what I needed today? Three more arguments purporting induced demand in every road discussion. That, and a charley horse.

[Roadgeekteen]

I will say that AAroads users seem more pro-transit than you would expect for this being a road forum.

Edit: I think that both pro and anti induced demand supporters misunderstand it. It's not "we should never build or upgrade any roads anywhere or it will make traffic worse" or "we can fix all of a cities traffic congestion by building 25 lane Katy Highway or Ontario 401 Monsters everywhere".

[kphoger]

No.  We shouldn't.

[Roadgeekteen]

No.  We shouldn't.

This was posted when I thought search was broken everywhere, but when I realized it worked in individual forums, this is no longer necessary.

[formulanone]

I will say that AAroads users seem more pro-transit than you would expect for this being a road forum.

Edit: I think that both pro and anti induced demand supporters misunderstand it. It's not "we should never build or upgrade any roads anywhere or it will make traffic worse" or "we can fix all of a cities traffic congestion by building 25 lane Katy Highway or Ontario 401 Monsters everywhere".

Yes, but then convince people we should increase capacity on multiple roads (which I tend to agree), but then there's a greater overall price tag involved and more time/construction, and these middle-road arguments tend to get lost in the shuffle of noise...Nobody seriously wants another 18-lane Katy Freeway, but that's many peoples' quick argument against widening anything.

[Roadgeekteen]

I will say that AAroads users seem more pro-transit than you would expect for this being a road forum.

Edit: I think that both pro and anti induced demand supporters misunderstand it. It's not "we should never build or upgrade any roads anywhere or it will make traffic worse" or "we can fix all of a cities traffic congestion by building 25 lane Katy Highway or Ontario 401 Monsters everywhere".

Yes, but then convince people we should increase capacity on multiple roads (which I tend to agree), but then there's a greater overall price tag involved and more time/construction, and these middle-road arguments tend to get lost in the shuffle of noise...Nobody seriously wants another 18-lane Katy Freeway, but that's many peoples' quick argument against widening anything.

I think we need to invest in both roads and transit, and it's very location dependent what to do. In rural Mississippi, expanding 2 lane roads to 4 is probably the move instead of building an expensive, lightly used rail network. But in major cities in this country I think more money should be spent on transit.

[Molandfreak]

I really don't understand why the urban planning board isn't visible to everyone. Sure, the mass transit board could attract more NUMTOT type folks who don't understand nuance, but since the mods let the anti-roundabout folks go off with the same tired arguments and lack of nuance that occurs everywhere else on the internet, why is a lack of nuance regarding other road-related projects a problem?

[vdeane]

You know what I needed today? Three more arguments purporting induced demand in every road discussion. That, and a charley horse.

[Roadgeekteen]

I really don't understand why the urban planning board isn't visible to everyone. Sure, the mass transit board could attract more NUMTOT type folks who don't understand nuance, but since the mods let the anti-roundabout folks go off with the same tired arguments and lack of nuance that occurs everywhere else on the internet, why is a lack of nuance regarding other road-related projects a problem?

I'd say there are 1-2 users on this forum who are true "urbanists", and several more who are more urbanist than most on the forum but not all the way there (like me, I'm actually "railgeekteen" on 2 other forums). I'd say that mass transit is less controversial than urban planning, which has the disastrous California thread with Kernals rallying against Point Reyes National Seashore and political arguments being spewed back and forth.

[Molandfreak]

I really don't understand why the urban planning board isn't visible to everyone. Sure, the mass transit board could attract more NUMTOT type folks who don't understand nuance, but since the mods let the anti-roundabout folks go off with the same tired arguments and lack of nuance that occurs everywhere else on the internet, why is a lack of nuance regarding other road-related projects a problem?

I'd say there are 1-2 users on this forum who are true "urbanists", and several more who are more urbanist than most on the forum but not all the way there (like me, I'm actually "railgeekteen" on 2 other forums). I'd say that mass transit is less controversial than urban planning, which has the disastrous California thread with Kernals rallying against Point Reyes National Seashore and political arguments being spewed back and forth.

I don't see K12 coming up with a ridiculous argument like the Portland Metro government and similar planning organizations are just ploys to waste taxpayer dollars. Because the mods should definitely intervene when such outrageous claims are made.

[Max Rockatansky]

I really don't understand why the urban planning board isn't visible to everyone. Sure, the mass transit board could attract more NUMTOT type folks who don't understand nuance, but since the mods let the anti-roundabout folks go off with the same tired arguments and lack of nuance that occurs everywhere else on the internet, why is a lack of nuance regarding other road-related projects a problem?

I'd say there are 1-2 users on this forum who are true "urbanists", and several more who are more urbanist than most on the forum but not all the way there (like me, I'm actually "railgeekteen" on 2 other forums). I'd say that mass transit is less controversial than urban planning, which has the disastrous California thread with Kernals rallying against Point Reyes National Seashore and political arguments being spewed back and forth.

I don't see K12 coming up with a ridiculous argument like the Portland Metro government and similar planning organizations are just ploys to waste taxpayer dollars. Because the mods should definitely intervene when such outrageous claims are made.

Dude, you really got drop whatever problems you have with this person.  Continually digging shit up from years ago makes you look obsessed.

[LilianaUwU]

I disagree with the concept of induced demand being used as an excuse to never build anything.

[Max Rockatansky]

I disagree with the concept of induced demand being used as an excuse to never build anything.

Come to my neck of the woods, you'll see it almost every week.

[LilianaUwU]

I disagree with the concept of induced demand being used as an excuse to never build anything.

Come to my neck of the woods, you'll see it almost every week.

I wouldn't wish living in California on my worst enemy.

[Roadgeekteen]

I really don't understand why the urban planning board isn't visible to everyone. Sure, the mass transit board could attract more NUMTOT type folks who don't understand nuance, but since the mods let the anti-roundabout folks go off with the same tired arguments and lack of nuance that occurs everywhere else on the internet, why is a lack of nuance regarding other road-related projects a problem?

I'd say there are 1-2 users on this forum who are true "urbanists", and several more who are more urbanist than most on the forum but not all the way there (like me, I'm actually "railgeekteen" on 2 other forums). I'd say that mass transit is less controversial than urban planning, which has the disastrous California thread with Kernals rallying against Point Reyes National Seashore and political arguments being spewed back and forth.

I don't see K12 coming up with a ridiculous argument like the Portland Metro government and similar planning organizations are just ploys to waste taxpayer dollars. Because the mods should definitely intervene when such outrageous claims are made.

I think you quoted the wrong post

[Max Rockatansky]

I disagree with the concept of induced demand being used as an excuse to never build anything.

Come to my neck of the woods, you'll see it almost every week.

I wouldn't wish living in California on my worst enemy.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy living here.  Although I do think it is way more on my terms than most people experience.