Outlier regions in your state that are the least similar to most of the state

[Ted$8roadFan]

Someone probably already mentioned this, but the Berkshires in Western Mass. has more in common with upstate New York and Connecticut's Litchfield Hills than the rest of Massachusetts.

[Ted$8roadFan]

Also, in Rhode Island, the Town of Westerly seems more like southeastern Connecticut than the rest of the Ocean State. 

[JayhawkCO]

Someone probably already mentioned this, but the Berkshires in Western Mass. has more in common with upstate New York and Connecticut's Litchfield Hills than the rest of Massachusetts.

First post of the thread.

[mgk920]

So, why is the UP of Michigan the outlier and not the LP?

Maybe because it's roughly 3% of the population?

Wouldn't that mean that the outlier in states would just be rural areas?

OK, because it's less than 1/3 the state area? And that 1/3, and 3% population, is different from the rest of the state.

So, Clark County, NV would be the outlier in NV...?

In that light, NYC is the most 'different' part of New York state.  Ditto Milwaukee County v. the rest of Wisconsin.

Mike

[GaryV]

what marks the dividing line for "Up North" in Michigan

Personally for me, it's when you start seeing white birch trees. Except for that one stand near Saginaw, that doesn't count.

Another line could be defined by when you see less and less farms. That means Up North starts farther north in West Michigan, because the calming effect that Lake Michigan has on cold weather means there are farms further north.

US-10 is often a convenient divide.

There's no real dividing line. For some, being in the Thumb counts.

[ilpt4u]

Bringing back an old forum cliche...Southern Illinois differs from the rest of Illinois because of things like hills and valleys...aka NOT FLAT

[Big John]

Bringing back an old forum cliche...Southern Illinois differs from the rest of Illinois because of things like hills and valleys...aka NOT FLAT

And northwest (Galena).

[Roadgeekteen]

Bringing back an old forum cliche...Southern Illinois differs from the rest of Illinois because of things like hills and valleys...aka NOT FLAT

Watched a video of someone exploring Cairo, Illinois. Seemed more like the Mississippi Delta than most of Illinois.

[Rothman]

So, why is the UP of Michigan the outlier and not the LP?

Maybe because it's roughly 3% of the population?

Wouldn't that mean that the outlier in states would just be rural areas?

OK, because it's less than 1/3 the state area? And that 1/3, and 3% population, is different from the rest of the state.

So, Clark County, NV would be the outlier in NV...?

In that light, NYC is the most 'different' part of New York state.  Ditto Milwaukee County v. the rest of Wisconsin.

Mike

Hm.  Half the state's population down there...half north of the City...

[TheHighwayMan3561]

Probably not quite as controversial of a topic as "How do you define Upstate NY," but I've often wondered what marks the dividing line for "Up North" in Michigan.

Oh, let me tell you if you spend any meaningful time in MN/WI/MI you will quickly discover that the definition of "up north" is, in facr, a wildly controversial topic. 

[Rothman]

Probably not quite as controversial of a topic as "How do you define Upstate NY," but I've often wondered what marks the dividing line for "Up North" in Michigan.

Oh, let me tell you if you spend any meaningful time in MN/WI/MI you will quickly discover that the definition of "up north" is, in facr, a wildly controversial topic. 

*shrug*

Pretty sure Duluth/Superior's claim of being Up North was undisputed when I lived there.

[webny99]

I'd say that for New York, rural Western New York west of Buffalo is it. More Midwest Influences there, they say pop and such. Really Buffalo is not at all like NYC and even different from Albany.

No, NYC/LI is the only correct answer for NY state. 

[Roadgeekteen]

I'd say that for New York, rural Western New York west of Buffalo is it. More Midwest Influences there, they say pop and such. Really Buffalo is not at all like NYC and even different from Albany.

No, NYC/LI is the only correct answer for NY state. 

But that's most of the states population...

[hbelkins]

Bringing back an old forum cliche...Southern Illinois differs from the rest of Illinois because of things like hills and valleys...aka NOT FLAT

Watched a video of someone exploring Cairo, Illinois. Seemed more like the Mississippi Delta than most of Illinois.

That area of Illinois has venomous water moccasins (cottonmouths). That's a snake that is typically found in the south, including the delta region.

It's also across the river from the Purchase area of Kentucky, which as I said upthread, gives off a delta vibe.

[thspfc]

Probably not quite as controversial of a topic as "How do you define Upstate NY," but I've often wondered what marks the dividing line for "Up North" in Michigan.

Oh, let me tell you if you spend any meaningful time in MN/WI/MI you will quickly discover that the definition of "up north" is, in facr, a wildly controversial topic. 

WI-29 is the widely accepted dividing line in WI. In MN it's definitely more controversial and seems to slope northwest to southeast.

[webny99]

I'd say that for New York, rural Western New York west of Buffalo is it. More Midwest Influences there, they say pop and such. Really Buffalo is not at all like NYC and even different from Albany.

No, NYC/LI is the only correct answer for NY state. 

But that's most of the states population...

But it's not "most" of the state's land area.

[webny99]

Oh, let me tell you if you spend any meaningful time in MN/WI/MI you will quickly discover that the definition of "up north" is, in facr, a wildly controversial topic. 

WI-29 is the widely accepted dividing line in WI. In MN it's definitely more controversial and seems to slope northwest to southeast.

...aka I-94.   

[thspfc]

Oh, let me tell you if you spend any meaningful time in MN/WI/MI you will quickly discover that the definition of "up north" is, in facr, a wildly controversial topic. 

WI-29 is the widely accepted dividing line in WI. In MN it's definitely more controversial and seems to slope northwest to southeast.

...aka I-94.   

Blaine, despite being 20 miles north of I-94, is definitely not "up north" in Minnesota.

[Roadgeekteen]

According to the I-94 line the Minnesota state Capitol is up north.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

Oh, let me tell you if you spend any meaningful time in MN/WI/MI you will quickly discover that the definition of "up north" is, in facr, a wildly controversial topic. 

WI-29 is the widely accepted dividing line in WI. In MN it's definitely more controversial and seems to slope northwest to southeast.

...aka I-94.   

Blaine, despite being 20 miles north of I-94, is definitely not "up north" in Minnesota.

I think a lot of MSP people have an idea that "up north" overlaps with "north woods." So it would be drawing a line south from the west edge of Lake of the Woods, then turns east along TH 210. Mille Lacs may or may not be included in some people's differing definitions. Things like Moorhead, Roseau, TRF, and the greater Red River Valley are not considered "up north." Brainerd is a border transition city.

[dlsterner]

I'd say that for New York, rural Western New York west of Buffalo is it. More Midwest Influences there, they say pop and such. Really Buffalo is not at all like NYC and even different from Albany.

No, NYC/LI is the only correct answer for NY state. 

Not Orleans County?

[webny99]

WI-29 is the widely accepted dividing line in WI. In MN it's definitely more controversial and seems to slope northwest to southeast.

...aka I-94.   

Blaine, despite being 20 miles north of I-94, is definitely not "up north" in Minnesota.

According to the I-94 line the Minnesota state Capitol is up north.

To make a finer point, I think I-94 divides between northern MN and southern MN, but "up north" is just as subjective as "upstate" is here in NY.

[webny99]

NYC/LI is the only correct answer for NY state. 

Not Orleans County?

No, that's just a part of NY that has the same negatives as the rest of the state, but none of the positives. 

[Rothman]

I'd say that for New York, rural Western New York west of Buffalo is it. More Midwest Influences there, they say pop and such. Really Buffalo is not at all like NYC and even different from Albany.

No, NYC/LI is the only correct answer for NY state. 

But that's most of the states population...

But it's not "most" of the state's land area.

So...Staten Island is the real outlier.

[mgk920]

I'd say that for New York, rural Western New York west of Buffalo is it. More Midwest Influences there, they say pop and such. Really Buffalo is not at all like NYC and even different from Albany.

No, NYC/LI is the only correct answer for NY state. 

But that's most of the states population...

But it's not "most" of the state's land area.

So...Staten Island is the real outlier.

Staten Island is part of NYC.

Mike