U.S. Census Bureau population estimates for July 1, 2024

[JayhawkCO]

Maybe it's just too early for me, but I can't, for the life of me, figure out how that chart is sorted. It's not by any individual colored bars. It's not by total tax burden. Strange.

It's sorted by total state taxes, excluding federal.

There we go. I knew there had to be something.

[mgk920]

What states other than HI, NV and UT don't have state-run lotteries?

Also, and it still stands with me, if I am EVER in the market for an O/O house, the presence of an HOA = 'NO offer' -- don't even bother wasting your or my time showing me one if it does.

Mike

[kalvado]

In other words, they did use your simple comparison, said "Oh, Texas is cheaper!" but didn't consider all the other increases in cost that Texas imposed.

States have to get money somewhere. The lower the income tax is, the higher other, more regressive taxes are.

It's the #1 scam the wealthy run to get the rest to subsidize the government because people pay more attention to income tax rates than anything else.

If I were running a state, there would be no sales tax except on gasoline, alcohol, tobacco and lottery; no toll roads; minimal vehicle registration fees. Nearly all of the state's income would come from income and property taxes.

Agreed overall.  The "low tax" states inevitably make up for it somewhere (more regressive taxes, more fees, pushing infrastructure maintenance/costs onto HOAs, etc.).  I don't mind sales tax, but then, NY has a ton of exemptions on things like groceries and clothing so that it really hits discretionary spending, not essential goods.  I'm not a fan of property taxes, though; they can make it so that people are pushed out of their home if rising property values make taxes unaffordable, or if they're unemployed and can't afford the tax bill.  At least income tax and sales tax (with appropriate exemptions) adjust with respect to ability to pay; property taxes don't.

if we are comparing NY to TX, a very significant chunk of difference in government spending comes from school budgets (Thanks to NYSUT, one of strongest public unions)  Oil money in TX seems to be another factor.

Comparing NY to TX's public schools shows you get what you pay for...

Comparing NY to US average shows that you don't.

Would rather have quality schools than average schools...

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

#17 in Education
#22 in Best States Overall
#40 in graduation rates
#1 in costs per student.

I would say that's pretty much not getting what is paid for!

I'll take the combination of all factors which certainly shows NY outranks TX.

Certainly outranks in spending by a factor of 2.3  - does the rest of the ranking gaps getting close? 

[vdeane]

#17 in Education
#22 in Best States Overall
#40 in graduation rates
#1 in costs per student.

I would say that's pretty much not getting what is paid for!

NY's average is dragged down by urban poverty.  Looking at the districts where the parents actually care about education, they're on par with private schools in other states, or at least they were when I was in school.

[Scott5114]

Taking my own experience (which doesn't involve Texas or California but rather the states just north of each), we are living in a house in Nevada which cost twice as much as the one we were living in in Oklahoma.

What are the state income taxes and/or local property taxes like living in NV or OK?

Zero income tax in Nevada. There is property tax on real estate, which I would consider reasonable.

Oklahoma has a state income tax, which I considered reasonable. The tax tables start on page 27 of this PDF.  There is property tax on real estate, which I considered reasonable, as well as business inventory, which is fucking crazy. I owned a small business there, and I calculated once that I wouldn't have to grow too much before it got to the point where it would have made more financial sense to rent a storage unit in Kansas and just drive up there any time I needed to access my inventory.

The incredible thing is that the Nevada government seems to be run in a professional manner, and has processed every interaction I've had with it correctly and in a timely manner. As a roadgeek, I have very little to complain about with NDOT (well, NV-613 should probably have a lower number, I guess, and the alternate US routes are kind of silly, but they're an institution at this point). Oklahoma...well, they made the Craig County sign and took six months to get me a birth certificate once.

[Bobby5280]

If Oklahoma's government would just get rid of that damned tax on inventory it might make the state just a little more competitive with neighbors like Texas. It's not just the dollar cost of the tax; our business can use deductions that can offset a lot of it. Complying with Oklahoma's inventory tax is an administrative pain in the ass that wastes all sorts of time. It's time we can't get back or offset. And that time would be better spent on more productive efforts.

[ran4sh]

It's not "your" neighborhood. You're trying to deny other people the ability to live there, often based on "immutable characteristics" such as where they were born, where they were raised as children, etc. The left/liberal side is usually the side that says it's wrong to discriminate based on "immutable characteristics".

That's a fucking bold statement. So I should let the rich hipsters push me out of my house and onto the streets?

Show me where I'm wrong.

[freebrickproductions]

What states other than HI, NV and UT don't have state-run lotteries?

Alabama. We don't even have a lottery at all, and gambling's banned in this state outside of the Native reservations.

[LilianaUwU]

It's not "your" neighborhood. You're trying to deny other people the ability to live there, often based on "immutable characteristics" such as where they were born, where they were raised as children, etc. The left/liberal side is usually the side that says it's wrong to discriminate based on "immutable characteristics".

That's a fucking bold statement. So I should let the rich hipsters push me out of my house and onto the streets?

Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you also think it was right for the Europeans to beat the Natives into submission?

[Max Rockatansky]

It's not "your" neighborhood. You're trying to deny other people the ability to live there, often based on "immutable characteristics" such as where they were born, where they were raised as children, etc. The left/liberal side is usually the side that says it's wrong to discriminate based on "immutable characteristics".

That's a fucking bold statement. So I should let the rich hipsters push me out of my house and onto the streets?

Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you also think it was right for the Europeans to beat the Natives into submission?

I find it fascinating when I go visit family at Mexico and see how much the conquest of the Aztec Empire is glorified.  I don't think that whole human sacrifice bit won them many friends among historians. 

[CoreySamson]

It's not "your" neighborhood. You're trying to deny other people the ability to live there, often based on "immutable characteristics" such as where they were born, where they were raised as children, etc. The left/liberal side is usually the side that says it's wrong to discriminate based on "immutable characteristics".

That's a fucking bold statement. So I should let the rich hipsters push me out of my house and onto the streets?

Not to make it too politically charged or anything, but I fail to see how this idea would not apply to immigration as well. Take that how you will.

I find it fascinating when I go visit family at Mexico and see how much the conquest of the Aztec Empire is glorified.  I don't think that whole human sacrifice bit won them many friends among historians. 

I don't think it won the Aztecs many friends from among their neighbors. IIRC their neighbors allied with the Spanish to take out the Aztecs because they were so hated.

[Max Rockatansky]

Yes, numerous tribes rules or subjugated by the Aztecs ended up allied with the Spanish Conquistadors.  To be fair the dynamic in Mexico is very different than it is in the U.S. or Canada.  There is a way higher percentage of Mexican citizens of partial native ancestry than there is in the two countries to the north. 

Interestingly a lot of towns in central Mexico have trackable history back to the Aztec Empire.  My wife's family is from Zacoalco de Torres which was an Aztec settlement.

[ran4sh]

It's not "your" neighborhood. You're trying to deny other people the ability to live there, often based on "immutable characteristics" such as where they were born, where they were raised as children, etc. The left/liberal side is usually the side that says it's wrong to discriminate based on "immutable characteristics".

That's a fucking bold statement. So I should let the rich hipsters push me out of my house and onto the streets?

Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you also think it was right for the Europeans to beat the Natives into submission?

You believe that it is right to discriminate based on immutable characteristics (Where someone is born is an immutable characteristic).

[Beltway]

Here is one common theory.  If you disagree, fine, but don't blow up.

American Indians aka indigenous Americans were migrants from the Ancient Middle East where human civilization began about 6,000 years ago.

In the Ice Age the ocean surfaces were 300 to 400 feet lower which meant that there was dry land between today's Russia and Alaska, and that is how their ancestors got from today's Iraq to today's U.S. and the rest of today's North, Central and South American continents.

Today the maximum depth of the Bering Strait is 165 feet.

Likewise there was dry land between Asia and Australia and Indonesia except for a couple narrow sea straits where you could see the land on the other side and small boats could easily cross.

[Scott5114]

It's not "your" neighborhood. You're trying to deny other people the ability to live there, often based on "immutable characteristics" such as where they were born, where they were raised as children, etc. The left/liberal side is usually the side that says it's wrong to discriminate based on "immutable characteristics".

That's a fucking bold statement. So I should let the rich hipsters push me out of my house and onto the streets?

Show me where I'm wrong.

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