Face it, geeks, US 412 is here to stay

[sammi]

Not "Highway".

Hwy!

Well, at least it's better than H-way.

Or Hi-way.


This actually bothers me.

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[texaskdog]

We need to make our own irriational fictional highways.  Of course that will have to be on a different page.

[US71]

[agentsteel53]

those are some of the most fecal examples of graphic design ever set forth upon the planet.

I'd rather have '70 spec shields.

[corco]

Hahaha, the guy in the middle's butt has cox on it

[formulanone]

We need to make our own irriational fictional highways.  Of course that will have to be on a different page.

US pi.

[Avalanchez71]

I know how the anal road enthusiasts get their panties in a wad over highways like 400, 412, 425, 99, 97, 238, 73, 74, 351, 364, 69C, and many others.  You're going to just have to get over it, because these roads are here to stay.  You might as well get used to them.  I drive on US 412 every day and it's just another US route to me.  Anomalies in the system are what makes the hobby interesting.  If the whole country were a huge section line road grid, roads would be boring.

This route is not far from me at all.  Nobody even thinks about the number as being out of sequence here at all.  However, I do have a proposal to renumber the route to US 66.  Heck that would fit the grid for the most part.

[hbelkins]

If you think having a US 412 aggravates the purists, putting a US 66 anywhere other than on the original corridor would cause apoplexy amongst the masses.

Nobody seemed to care that US 48 has been recycled three times, but I can only imagine what the outcry would be if US 66 got put on a route running from New Mexico to Tennessee.

[bugo]

I know how the anal road enthusiasts get their panties in a wad over highways like 400, 412, 425, 99, 97, 238, 73, 74, 351, 364, 69C, and many others.  You're going to just have to get over it, because these roads are here to stay.  You might as well get used to them.  I drive on US 412 every day and it's just another US route to me.  Anomalies in the system are what makes the hobby interesting.  If the whole country were a huge section line road grid, roads would be boring.

This route is not far from me at all.  Nobody even thinks about the number as being out of sequence here at all.  However, I do have a proposal to renumber the route to US 66.  Heck that would fit the grid for the most part.

Nobody around here cares about the 412 number either.

As far as US 66, the last thing we need is another hwy 66 around here.  We already have old US 66 (Admiral alignment), old US 66 (11th alignment) and OK 66.

[Scott5114]

Most people don't realize there's a sequence to be out of.

[Lyon Wonder]

US 412 could be renumbered as US 560, US 162, or US 370.

[bugo]

Shouldn't this be in he fantasy road group?

Outside a few anal road geeks, nobody cares about the number.  Personally I think it's a fine number.  It causes the ARG to get all buthurt because the number doesn't fit the old system.  Let's be clear on this: It's 2014  and the 400 series highway is a new type of "super" US highway and fits perfectly into the new system.  We'll probably see more in the future.

[Zeffy]

Shouldn't this be in he fantasy road group?

Outside a few anal road geeks, nobody cares about the number.  Personally I think it's a fine number.  It causes the ARG to get all buthurt because the number doesn't fit the old system.  Let's be clear on this: It's 2014  and the 400 series highway is a new type of "super" US highway and fits perfectly into the new system.  We'll probably see more in the future.

The 400 series doesn't offend me personally, mainly because I didn't get how they jumped to that number anyway. I'm only offended really when the number isn't assigned by AASHTO or flat out breaks the rules (*cough* I-238). What do you mean by "super" US Highway?

[oscar]

We need to make our own irriational fictional highways.  Of course that will have to be on a different page.

US pi.

       __    __    __
US √-1, √-4, √-9. etc.

[US71]

This route is not far from me at all.  Nobody even thinks about the number as being out of sequence here at all.  However, I do have a proposal to renumber the route to US 66.  Heck that would fit the grid for the most part.

The Route 66 people would have a s#it fit after all the effort to preserve the old roadway.

[english si]

       __    __    __
US √-1, √-4, √-9. etc.

Wouldn't these be confusing for us Brits, who'd assume that they are US routes with interstate regulations?

I look forward to the Illinois - Green Bay interstate actually being signed
       _____
US √-1681

Rather than I-41, in order to please the purists!

[vdeane]

US 400 doesn't look in any way "super" to me.  It looks like a random road that got a random US highway designation because some states can't understand that US highways are supposed to be principal arterials and/or can't be bothered to maintain their state highways to any reasonable standard (see: Pennsylvania) and need the branding.

[cjk374]

If you think having a US 412 aggravates the purists, putting a US 66 anywhere other than on the original corridor would cause apoplexy amongst the masses.

Nobody seemed to care that US 48 has been recycled three times, but I can only imagine what the outcry would be if US 66 got put on a route running from New Mexico to Tennessee.

This route is not far from me at all.  Nobody even thinks about the number as being out of sequence here at all.  However, I do have a proposal to renumber the route to US 66.  Heck that would fit the grid for the most part.

The Route 66 people would have a s#it fit after all the effort to preserve the old roadway.

There is absolutely no doubt about that!  This would be the renumbering in the US highway system that WOULD make the national news.

[Arkansastravelguy]

US 400 doesn't look in any way "super" to me.  It looks like a random road that got a random US highway designation because some states can't understand that US highways are supposed to be principal arterials and/or can't be bothered to maintain their state highways to any reasonable standard (see: Pennsylvania) and need the branding.

US 400 is most certainly a super-highway. I drove it from end to end and I passed maybe 10 cars (no joke). There's even a divided highway portion for like 3 miles!

We could renumber US 412 to US 400A. And connect it to its parent route via I-49 and call it US 400S (no sign would ever be put up in Arkansas, so no worries there). Build I-849 (Joplin Loop) and extend US 400 into Joplin.

Ok ok I'm joking. This could only work in Texas.


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[J N Winkler]

US 400 doesn't look in any way "super" to me.  It looks like a random road that got a random US highway designation because some states can't understand that US highways are supposed to be principal arterials and/or can't be bothered to maintain their state highways to any reasonable standard (see: Pennsylvania) and need the branding.

There's nothing random or overpromoted about US 400.  KDOT treats it as a "red line" state highway, which means shoulders and passing lanes.  It is also a single number connecting Pittsburg, Parsons, Wichita, Dodge City, and Garden City, all of which have populations in excess of 10,000 and are industrial centers serving very wide areas (Dodge City and Garden City have meatpacking plants; Parsons is a center of the wind energy industry; Pittsburg has a state university that is still an important teacher-training center; 70% of the world's planes fly with components manufactured in Wichita; etc.).  Quite a few lengths of US 400 have been redeveloped to freeway or expressway standard, and while most of these overlap with US 54 or US 50, there are multiple grade-separated interchanges (US 75 times two, US 169, and US 59) in the southeastern part of the state where US 400 does not overlap any other route.  US 400 has actually developed some capacity issues in the Flint Hills stretch (Augusta to Fredonia), so KDOT has projects in the pipeline to add more passing lanes.

[hbelkins]

Quite unintentionally, owing to my car troubles last year on my trip to the Wichita meet, I drove US 400 from Joplin to Wichita and found it to be a pleasant drive.

Functionally, it seemed to be no different than US 166, which I also drove from its western terminus to near Joplin.

[FightingIrish]

AASHTO seems to have gone through a phase in the 80s and 90s of issuing 400-series route numbers. This includes 400, 412 and 425. Why? Who knows?

[Lyon Wonder]

AASHTO seems to have gone through a phase in the 80s and 90s of issuing 400-series route numbers. This includes 400, 412 and 425. Why? Who knows?

In 2003 AASHTO also added US 491 in UT, CO and NM, which was renumbered from US 666.  Unlike other 400-series numbers, US 491 is connected to it's parent route US 191.  IIRC, US 491's number was given instead of US 291 or US 391 was the presence of SR 291 and SR 391 that already had those numbers and the state didn't want to renumber neither of them.  So I doubt US 491's number was an intended continuation of the 400-series numbering system and only given a 400-series number because of numbering conflicts with the above mentioned SRs.

[FightingIrish]

AASHTO seems to have gone through a phase in the 80s and 90s of issuing 400-series route numbers. This includes 400, 412 and 425. Why? Who knows?

In 2003 AASHTO also added US 491 in UT, CO and NM, which was renumbered from US 666.  Unlike other 400-series numbers, US 491 is connected to it's parent route US 191.  IIRC, US 491's number was given instead of US 291 or US 391 was the presence of SR 291 and SR 391 that already had those numbers and the state didn't want to renumber neither of them.  So I doubt US 491's number was an intended continuation of the 400-series numbering system and only given a 400-series number because of numbering conflicts with the above mentioned SRs.

US 491 had nothing to do with that. Originally AASHTO suggested 291 or 391. As both of those numbers were already assigned to state routes in the affected states, 491 was found to be a good compromise. And the states were fine with it, so long as the Triple 6 was gone.

[bugo]

And some members of this forum acted like US 666's renumbering had nothing to do with religion...