Francis Scott Key Bridge (Round 3 I think)

[kphoger]

I was quoting posters -- not myself.

Two people said the exact same thing?

[Beltway]

I was quoting posters -- not myself.

Two people said the exact same thing?

Negative

[Rothman]

I don't see that in their most recent post, or in either of the two before it:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1JGX47aCLw/

That is not the MDTA page for this project

Gotta link?  FB's search function sucks.

[kphoger]

Gotta link?  FB's search function sucks.

Hopefully, it will be the same link as takes you to the book where 'impleasable' was used.

[Beltway]

Think outside the box.

[Max Rockatansky]

Think outside the box.

Or prove your citations are real for a change. 

[Beltway]

Think outside the box.

Or prove your citations are real for a change. 

Oh it's real all right -- THINK

[vdeane]

The emergency declaration didn't just accelerate debris removal and channel reopening (which were legitimate emergency actions). It was then stretched far beyond its intended scope to justify bypassing the normal NEPA process for a permanent replacement structure.

This is far from the first time the emergency process was used to build a permanent replacement without being delayed by the full NEPA process.

R E L A X

[Beltway]

The emergency declaration didn't just accelerate debris removal and channel reopening (which were legitimate emergency actions). It was then stretched far beyond its intended scope to justify bypassing the normal NEPA process for a permanent replacement structure.

This is far from the first time the emergency process was used to build a permanent replacement without being delayed by the full NEPA process. R E L A X

After two years and an incomplete final design and no CNTP, the emergency rationale has run its course. A 7-10 year megaproject is capital planning, not emergency response, and under federal practice that level of impact triggers a full NEPA EIS.

A like‑for‑like replacement of missing spans using the original bridge's plans would have fit within FHWA's ER program. In that scenario, traffic would likely be flowing today.

[Scott5114]

The emergency declaration didn't just accelerate debris removal and channel reopening (which were legitimate emergency actions). It was then stretched far beyond its intended scope to justify bypassing the normal NEPA process for a permanent replacement structure.

This is far from the first time the emergency process was used to build a permanent replacement without being delayed by the full NEPA process. R E L A X

After two years and an incomplete final design and no CNTP, the emergency rationale has run its course. A 7-10 year megaproject is capital planning, not emergency response, and under federal practice that level of impact triggers a full NEPA EIS.

A like‑for‑like replacement of missing spans using the original bridge's plans would have fit within FHWA's ER program. In that scenario, traffic would likely be flowing today.

Maybe you should tell DOGE about it.

Oh wait, you did, and nobody cared.

[Beltway]

After two years and an incomplete final design and no CNTP, the emergency rationale has run its course. A 7-10 year megaproject is capital planning, not emergency response, and under federal practice that level of impact triggers a full NEPA EIS.
A like‑for‑like replacement of missing spans using the original bridge's plans would have fit within FHWA's ER program. In that scenario, traffic would likely be flowing today.

Maybe you should tell DOGE about it.  Oh wait, you did, and nobody cared.

They cared -- the project is dead in the water and drifting toward a lee shore. That's not a commentary on forum reactions; it's the predictable outcome of two years without a final design, without a CNTP, and with the emergency rationale long expired. At this point the procedural constraints are steering the ship, not anyone's opinion of them.

[Scott5114]

They cared

No they didn't.

[freebrickproductions]

*chanting* Thread lock! Thread lock! Thread lock! Thread lock!

 

They cared

No they didn't.

Did DOGE even care enough to send him a response?

[Beltway]

They cared

No they didn't.

Whether anyone cared isn't really the operative variable. The project ran out of legal and procedural runway, and once that happens the outcome is determined by the process, not by sentiment. At that point, the only thing left at the end of the runway is the overrun area -- and they entered it with no remaining ability to slow or steer.

[Scott5114]

They cared

No they didn't.

Whether anyone cared isn't really the operative variable. The project ran out of legal and procedural runway, and once that happens the outcome is determined by the process, not by sentiment. At that point, the only thing left at the end of the runway is the overrun area -- and they entered it with no remaining ability to slow or steer.

If the people who could actually do anything about this didn't care, what makes you think anyone here does?

[GaryV]

A like‑for‑like replacement of missing spans using the original bridge's plans would have fit within FHWA's ER program. In that scenario, traffic would likely be flowing today.

But wouldn't that just lead to another collapse when the next container ship went off course?

[kphoger]

A like‑for‑like replacement of missing spans using the original bridge's plans would have fit within FHWA's ER program. In that scenario, traffic would likely be flowing today.

But wouldn't that just lead to another collapse when the next container ship went off course?

His complaint is that the bridge replacement is being rushed through, but also that it isn't being done fast enough.  And that the new design isn't much safer than the original, but also that it isn't being replaced like-for-like.  He's completely impleasable.

[Scott5114]

He's completely impleasable.

This is a proper encapsulation of where things stand.

[kphoger]

This is a proper encapsulation of where things stand.

I see what you did there.

[Sapphuby]

I'm not sure why this specific topic still exists when it's just been a magnet for continued bickering, and since the last two were closed for that exact reason, but I digress

[Max Rockatansky]

*chanting* Thread lock! Thread lock! Thread lock! Thread lock!

 

They cared

No they didn't.

Did DOGE even care enough to send him a response?

Even if he had a response letter from DOGE he wouldn't show it to anyone.  Remember, Beltway doesn't believe in backing up his citations.

[kphoger]

Gotta link?  FB's search function sucks.

https://www.facebook.com/p/Key-Bridge-Rebuild-61558692757377/

[GaryV]

I'm not sure why this specific topic still exists when it's just been a magnet for continued bickering, and since the last two were closed for that exact reason, but I digress

Because the Star Spangled Banner has 4 verses. We can look forward to one other thread after this one is closed.

[The Ghostbuster]

Until construction on the replacement bridge begins, this thread should go dormant.

[Max Rockatansky]

Until construction on the replacement bridge begins, this thread should go dormant.

There isn't much here of value that couldn't be replaced by a new thread that started with actual news.