Wisconsin notes

[dvferyance]

Might be worth extending I-39 to Merrill just so they get the point.

If I-39 was ever extended north it would have to be all the way to US 8. Merrill is not an eligible terminus. I know there are a few at grade intersections north of Merrill that would have to be eliminated first.

[dvferyance]

Rockwell Automation just announced a massive new plant in New Berlin near the intersection of Moorland and Grange. The roundabouts on Moorland by I-43 are probably on borrowed time. Was probably a dumb idea to start with.

[The Ghostbuster]

So, if the roundabouts are on borrowed time, what do you think will replace them at this interchange?

[mgk920]

So, if the roundabouts are on borrowed time, what do you think will replace them at this interchange?

A DDI?

Mike

[SEWIGuy]

Rockwell Automation just announced a massive new plant in New Berlin near the intersection of Moorland and Grange. The roundabouts on Moorland by I-43 are probably on borrowed time. Was probably a dumb idea to start with.

Yes. We know you don't like roundabouts.

[The Ghostbuster]

Personally, I do not think the roundabouts at Moorland Rd. on Interstate 43 (or any other roundabouts constructed state-wide) should be removed. Maybe when that particular interchange is reconstructed, then and only then can it be modified. If any Moorland Rd. interchange is to be reconfigured, it should be the one on Interstate 94 (a DDI here would be fine, they are already planning on reconfiguring CTH F's interchange into one: https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/se/94ddi/default.aspx).

[JREwing78]

... I also notice that the North Central Region won't sign non-interstate freeways at 70 mph while all other regions do. 

https://projects.511wi.gov/weeklyupdates-ne/

NC Region has the slowest speed limits in the states.

NC Region doesn't have long stretches of uninterrupted non-Interstate freeway, besides the 27 miles of US-51 north of the E Hwy 29 interchange. Otherwise it's mostly controlled-access expressway with a handful of short freeway stretches bypassing towns. No reason to bounce back and forth if the freeway sections are pretty short.

Even on the existing US-51 stretch, the time difference is pretty minimal - 2-3 minutes at most. I'd explore it if and when it's converted to full freeway up to US-8. Otherwise, it's not worth getting excited about.

[The Ghostbuster]

If the segment between Exit 211 and Exit 225 is ever fully converted to freeway standards, an exit should be built at CTH K/Nelson Rd. to serve Irma (CTH J can just have an underpass). Also, a frontage road should be built on the west side of 51, connecting CTH J to CTH S to remove all at-grade intersections along US 51 (maybe CTH V could be extended southward along said frontage road to connect with CTH J).

[dvferyance]

Rockwell Automation just announced a massive new plant in New Berlin near the intersection of Moorland and Grange. The roundabouts on Moorland by I-43 are probably on borrowed time. Was probably a dumb idea to start with.

Yes. We know you don't like roundabouts.

I sure don't like those ones. But I am ok with others. I don't mind the one in Hales Corners.

[dvferyance]

Personally, I do not think the roundabouts at Moorland Rd. on Interstate 43 (or any other roundabouts constructed state-wide) should be removed. Maybe when that particular interchange is reconstructed, then and only then can it be modified. If any Moorland Rd. interchange is to be reconfigured, it should be the one on Interstate 94 (a DDI here would be fine, they are already planning on reconfiguring CTH F's interchange into one: https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/se/94ddi/default.aspx).

If traffic gets so bad they aren't going to have a choice. Right now the ones on Moorland are already around full capacity. Any additional traffic will just be too much to handle. They may work in some places but they don't work everywhere.

[peterj920]

... I also notice that the North Central Region won't sign non-interstate freeways at 70 mph while all other regions do. 

https://projects.511wi.gov/weeklyupdates-ne/

NC Region has the slowest speed limits in the states.

NC Region doesn't have long stretches of uninterrupted non-Interstate freeway, besides the 27 miles of US-51 north of the E Hwy 29 interchange. Otherwise it's mostly controlled-access expressway with a handful of short freeway stretches bypassing towns. No reason to bounce back and forth if the freeway sections are pretty short.

Even on the existing US-51 stretch, the time difference is pretty minimal - 2-3 minutes at most. I'd explore it if and when it's converted to full freeway up to US-8. Otherwise, it's not worth getting excited about.

Wis 29 from US 51 to Ringle could easily be 70 mph with stretches of similar length signed as such in other regions. It's odd that US 51 to Merrill isn't 70mph since it's a continuation of the freeway past I-39. That tells me it has to be the region's decision.

I do wonder if the North Central region's reluctance to sign non-interstates to 70 is why US 10 still has a 65 mph speed limit between Wis 49 and I-41? That's 22 miles and longer than these short segments below in other regions:

Wis 57 from I-43 to Wis 54 east Jct.
Wis 29 from I-41 to Shawano Co Line
US 14 from US 12 to Wis 138

[US 12 fan]

Here is a update of the I-39/90/94 Corridor Project.

https://www.i399094project.wisconsindot.gov/

[Big John]

^^ Looks like the 151 interchange will be rebuilt like the I-41/WI 29 and I-39/90 / I-43 interchanges.

[The Ghostbuster]

I would like to know when certain segments will begin construction. It will probably be at least 2030 before any segments begin construction.

[SSOWorld]

Click on County V's interchange in the "about" page. Looks like the development for that area isn't dead yet😡

EDIT: Also - no work being done on the Beltline interchange to remove the left exits.

[peterj920]

Seeing more and more mileage signs replaced across the state. No idea why it's now bad to list 3 cities on a mileage sign on 2 lane roads unless there's a concurrency. The old signs are a lot better than the new signs.

Initially I thought some cities were being favored but I was wrong like having signs on Wis 32/57 pointing to Hilbert. I guess WISDOT is either going with the closest incorporated community or the new "control city" that they chose. I see this now with new signs at Wis 32/57 and US 10 replacing Manitowoc with Brillion. Interestingly Greenleaf is now incorporated and is featured on northbound Wis 32/57 signs but wasn't on the southbound sign from De Pere.

Noticed that Sparta is the control city on Wis 21 west of Oshkosh. Realistically most traffic is going to Wautoma or Tomah to use the interstate yet those cities are omitted until you get close to them.

[SEWIGuy]

Seeing more and more mileage signs replaced across the state. No idea why it's now bad to list 3 cities on a mileage sign on 2 lane roads unless there's a concurrency. The old signs are a lot better than the new signs.

I guess we'll complain about anything...

[The Ghostbuster]

3-city mileage signs seem right to me. The one I'm most familiar with is this one on Interstate 94 just east of the Badger Interchange (although the first one listed is the distance to the next exit): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1031704,-89.2592637,3a,75y,93.92h,86.35t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_YdkymVBWItscsXpR8Jsjw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D3.6492154869053195%26panoid%3D_YdkymVBWItscsXpR8Jsjw%26yaw%3D93.92349166584884!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDQyNy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D.

[peterj920]

3-city mileage signs seem right to me. The one I'm most familiar with is this one on Interstate 94 just east of the Badger Interchange (although the first one listed is the distance to the next exit): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1031704,-89.2592637,3a,75y,93.92h,86.35t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_YdkymVBWItscsXpR8Jsjw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D3.6492154869053195%26panoid%3D_YdkymVBWItscsXpR8Jsjw%26yaw%3D93.92349166584884!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDQyNy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D.

The big green signs on freeways/expressways are staying the way they are like in the photo you posted.

 It's the smaller mileage signs on 2 lane roads that are getting an overhaul and going to 2 cities only that are a downgrade in my opinion.

[mrose]

When I lived in Wisconsin years ago I seem to recall most of the signs were 2 cities, and they began to put some of the 3 city signs on the freeways. I don't remember them doing it on secondary roads; that must be a more recent thing.

[ET21]

Here is a update of the I-39/90/94 Corridor Project.

https://www.i399094project.wisconsindot.gov/

I legit was just thinking if there was going to be any plan to upgrade 90/94 between the 39 split and the Dells. Was up there for our annual family trip to the Kalahari. Good to see its at least on the radar

[triplemultiplex]

I legit was just thinking if there was going to be any plan to upgrade 90/94 between the 39 split and the Dells. Was up there for our annual family trip to the Kalahari. Good to see its at least on the radar

Frankly, it's more needed than the 6-to-8 conversion between Portage and Madison.

Southbound on summer Sundays; hoo boy.

[triplemultiplex]

Also, a frontage road should be built on the west side of 51, connecting CTH J to CTH S to remove all at-grade intersections along US 51

R/W already exists for this frontage road between Irma and the existing westside frontage road south of CTH S.  So when it comes time, they have the land needed.

[peterj920]

I legit was just thinking if there was going to be any plan to upgrade 90/94 between the 39 split and the Dells. Was up there for our annual family trip to the Kalahari. Good to see its at least on the radar

Frankly, it's more needed than the 6-to-8 conversion between Portage and Madison.

Southbound on summer Sundays; hoo boy.

Another way to relieve congestion would be to upgrade US 12 and build a Sauk City Bypass. That would be a great alternate route for I-90/94. On Sunday afternoons in summer traffic gets backed up when the road narrows from 2 lanes to 1 south of Business 12.

[WisJohn]

I legit was just thinking if there was going to be any plan to upgrade 90/94 between the 39 split and the Dells. Was up there for our annual family trip to the Kalahari. Good to see its at least on the radar

Frankly, it's more needed than the 6-to-8 conversion between Portage and Madison.

Southbound on summer Sundays; hoo boy.

Another way to relieve congestion would be to upgrade US 12 and build a Sauk City Bypass. That would be a great alternate route for I-90/94. On Sunday afternoons in summer traffic gets backed up when the road narrows from 2 lanes to 1 south of Business 12.

From your lips to God's (and DOT's) ears.

I think it has been said on here before that it would have made sense to build the Sauk bypass before doing the 39/90/94 project so that it would have served as a reliever route. Definitely a missed opportunity.

As for 39/90/94, I was on a call with SW Region DOT folks the other day, and they stated the Mirror Lake area would see the first construction.