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Why in Canada is meter spelled metre?

Started by roadman65, August 01, 2026, 04:47:59 PM

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roadman65

In Canada a meter is a metre.  Kilometer is kilometre.

Even Harbor is spelled H-A-R-B-O-U-R.

Why is spelling so different for the same language?
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kalvado

Because illiterate rednecks don't know how to spell words like aluminium, sulphur, colour, metre...

hotdogPi

It should be spelled "metre" so that it can be distinguished from things like parking meters (which are still "meter").
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You have Webster's Dictionary to thank for that.

Quote from: WikipediaNoah Webster, the author of the readers' and spelling books which dominated the American market at the time, spent decades of research in compiling his dictionaries. His first dictionary, A Compendious Dictionary of the English Language, appeared in 1806. In it, he popularized features which would become a hallmark of American English spelling (center rather than centre, honor rather than honour, program rather than programme, etc.) and included technical terms from the arts and sciences rather than confining his dictionary to literary words. Webster was a proponent of English spelling reform for reasons both philological and nationalistic. In A Companion to the American Revolution (2008), John Algeo notes: "it is often assumed that characteristically American spellings were invented by Noah Webster. He was very influential in popularizing certain spellings in America, but he did not originate them. Rather [. . .] he chose already existing options such as center, color and check on such grounds as simplicity, analogy or etymology." In William Shakespeare's First Folios, for example, spellings such as center and color are the most common. He spent the next two decades working to expand his dictionary.
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Quote from: roadman65 on August 01, 2026, 04:47:59 PMIn Canada a meter is a metre.  Kilometer is kilometre.

Even Harbor is spelled H-A-R-B-O-U-R.

Why is spelling so different for the same language?

Of course the American would think we're weird for spelling things the right way.
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Scott5114

Quote from: LilianaUwU on August 01, 2026, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 01, 2026, 04:47:59 PMIn Canada a meter is a metre.  Kilometer is kilometre.

Even Harbor is spelled H-A-R-B-O-U-R.

Why is spelling so different for the same language?

Of course the American would think we're weird for spelling things the right way.

Hey. Hey.

Hey.

Look at me.

Exactly what sound does the U in "harbour" make?
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Quote from: LilianaUwU on August 01, 2026, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 01, 2026, 04:47:59 PMIn Canada a meter is a metre.  Kilometer is kilometre.

Even Harbor is spelled H-A-R-B-O-U-R.

Why is spelling so different for the same language?

Of course the American would think we're weird for spelling things the right way.

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Road Hog

Also coincidentally, "metre" is spelled the same in both English and French in bilingual Canada.

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Quote from: Road Hog on August 01, 2026, 05:29:22 PMAlso coincidentally, "metre" is spelled the same in both English and French in bilingual Canada.

In French, there's an accent, though: un mètre.
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Chris

Non-native English speakers in Europe use British English and American English interchangeably. British English is taught at schools but American English has a greater cultural influence.

A number of European languages use 'kilometer' natively (Dutch, German, Nordic languages, Hungarian, some Slavic languages). Romance languages use 'kilometre' or equivalent, while most other Slavic languages use 'kilometr'.

Another interesting thing is 'mil' (mile) in Swedish and Norwegian. This is a unit of length, measuring 10 kilometers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_mile

TheHighwayMan3561

British heritage and American influence create the weird mix. Canada does use the American -ize spellings rather than the British -ise, but uses the British "offence" and "defence" in some circumstances.

Z is pronounced the Commonwealth "zed".
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Big John

Quote from: Chris on August 01, 2026, 05:32:08 PMAnother interesting thing is 'mil' (mile) in Swedish and Norwegian. This is a unit of length, measuring 10 kilometers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_mile
If I saw "mil", I wound think millimeter.

hotdogPi

Quote from: Big John on August 01, 2026, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: Chris on August 01, 2026, 05:32:08 PMAnother interesting thing is 'mil' (mile) in Swedish and Norwegian. This is a unit of length, measuring 10 kilometers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_mile
If I saw "mil", I wound think millimeter.

Nope. It's 1/1000 of an inch. You'll sometimes see it for thickness of paper or aluminum foil.
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kalvado

Quote from: Scott5114 on August 01, 2026, 05:12:24 PMYou have Webster's Dictionary to thank for that.

Quote from: WikipediaNoah Webster, the author of the readers' and spelling books which dominated the American market at the time, spent decades of research in compiling his dictionaries. His first dictionary, A Compendious Dictionary of the English Language, appeared in 1806. In it, he popularized features which would become a hallmark of American English spelling (center rather than centre, honor rather than honour, program rather than programme, etc.) and included technical terms from the arts and sciences rather than confining his dictionary to literary words. Webster was a proponent of English spelling reform for reasons both philological and nationalistic. In A Companion to the American Revolution (2008), John Algeo notes: "it is often assumed that characteristically American spellings were invented by Noah Webster. He was very influential in popularizing certain spellings in America, but he did not originate them. Rather [. . .] he chose already existing options such as center, color and check on such grounds as simplicity, analogy or etymology." In William Shakespeare's First Folios, for example, spellings such as center and color are the most common. He spent the next two decades working to expand his dictionary.
Or there is a story of how Aluminum came to be. And a story of gray and grey both supported in programming languages because HP engineers were uncertain of correct spelling.

jgb191

Don't the British speak the real English?  We Americans just took their language and twisted it into our version.

Speaking of English differences, my personal favorite:
USA:  Sneakers
Canada:  Runners
UK:  Trainers
NZ:  Joggers

Having said that, I wonder if you hypothetically had an American, a Canadian, an Irish, a Brit, a New Zealander, and an Aussie all in the same room for a meeting, what that meeting might sound like.
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Max Rockatansky

There are some pretty substantial differences in almost every language that is spoken in multiple geographic locations.  The Spanish that is spoken in Spain isn't a one-for-one carry over with that is spoken in the Americans.  Even in the Americas there is a lot of regional differences. 

kalvado

Quote from: jgb191 on August 01, 2026, 06:53:38 PMDon't the British speak the real English?  We Americans just took their language and twisted it into our version.

Speaking of English differences, my personal favorite:
USA:  Sneakers
Canada:  Runners
UK:  Trainers
NZ:  Joggers

Having said that, I wonder if you hypothetically had an American, a Canadian, an Irish, a Brit, a New Zealander, and an Aussie all in the same room for a meeting, what that meeting might sound like.
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TheHighwayMan3561

Quote from: jgb191 on August 01, 2026, 06:53:38 PMDon't the British speak the real English?  We Americans just took their language and twisted it into our version.

Speaking of English differences, my personal favorite:
USA:  Sneakers

There are also regional differences within the US on these. I've never called everyday shoes of this kind anything but "tennis shoes". "Sneakers" to me refer to specialized shoes only worn in the gym and not generally worn in daily life.
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Scott5114

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 01, 2026, 07:04:05 PMThere are some pretty substantial differences in almost every language that is spoken in multiple geographic locations.  The Spanish that is spoken in Spain isn't a one-for-one carry over with that is spoken in the Americans.  Even in the Americas there is a lot of regional differences. 

Some languages have tried to avoid this by establishing some kind of official language authority organization which purports to be the last word in how the language is to be spoken. Problem is they invariably come up with dumb rules like "'email' is not a word in our language and the proper way to say it is 'mail that is electronic'" and everyone ends up ignoring them. So then instead of having four regional dialects you have four regional dialects and a fifth official one that nobody actually speaks.
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There's no such thing as a "real" language. It's always been adapted and conformed by the people using them over millennia.
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jgb191

Regional differences...does that mean that if a life-long New Yorker and a life-long Californian were to meet up, then they might still not quite understand each other??

LA-speaker: "That's a hella sandwich you got there!"
NY-speaker: "This isn't a sandwich; it's a hoagie."
LA-speaker: "What's a hoagie?"
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Max Rockatansky

Quote from: jgb191 on August 01, 2026, 08:30:39 PMRegional differences...does that mean that if a life-long New Yorker and a life-long Californian were to meet up, then they might still not quite understand each other??

LA-speaker: "That's a the sandwich you got there!"
NY-speaker: "This isn't a sandwich; it's a hoagie."
LA-speaker: "What's a the hoagie?"

Fixed for actual California-speak accuracy.

jgb191

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 01, 2026, 07:04:05 PMThe Spanish that is spoken in Spain isn't a one-for-one carry over with that is spoken in the Americans.  Even in the Americas there is a lot of regional differences. 


Los Angeles Spanish-speaker (Mexican-influenced) vs Miami Spanish-speaker (Cuban-influenced) meet-up would be intriguing.
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Brandon

Quote from: jgb191 on August 01, 2026, 06:53:38 PMDon't the British speak the real English?  We Americans just took their language and twisted it into our version.

Speaking of English differences, my personal favorite:
USA:  Sneakers
Canada:  Runners
UK:  Trainers
NZ:  Joggers

Having said that, I wonder if you hypothetically had an American, a Canadian, an Irish, a Brit, a New Zealander, and an Aussie all in the same room for a meeting, what that meeting might sound like.

Speak for yourself.  They're "tennis shoes" or "gym shoes" here.

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