Significant pavement quality changes when crossing a jurisdiction boundary

[jeffandnicole]

US-219 is considerably worse on its washboard segment between I-86 and the Pennsylvania state line than it is once you cross into Pennsylvania. I've only been on that road southbound, last June on my way home from Toronto, but the northbound side doesn't look too good either in Street View. (The image below has the camera looking north on the southbound carriageway. Pan it around 180° and click south a bit and you'll hit Pennsylvania.)

Heck, the pavement quality is worse in PA on almost any road that crosses into it.  At the very minimum, roads with wide shoulders in the adjoining state disappear when you cross into PA.

1995hoo said the opposite.

Oh yeah, you're right. 

What I said generally applies though. 

[TheHighwayMan3561]

I notice it on I-35 north of the metro where a county line also serves as a MnDOT district boundary. The rebuild project north of the Pine/Chisago county line, for example.

[CNGL-Leudimin]

I've noticed this many times both in real life and virtually (Street View, Big Rig Travels, etc).

However my favorite, and perhaps the ultimate, example is here . Straight ahead you enter Aragon and there is a decent paved road. If you turn around, however, you enter Navarre and you hit a gravel road in really bad shape. I've never been more relieved in my life than when I reached the regional border driving that.

[JayhawkCO]

One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line.  Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs.  Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya.  It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.

That's an extreme example!

Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends at the Utah line.

I'm not sure if this has been paved recently, but I just drove that road about three weeks ago and the entire length in Utah until you get to the Wyoming border only has maybe a half mile of dirt road now.  The paved portion once it enters Wyoming though does get considerably worse than the Utah portion.

Chris

[JayhawkCO]

One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line.  Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs.  Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya.  It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.

That's an extreme example!

Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends at the Utah line.

As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .

What else should be used as a control city? Rock Springs is the only choice.

Browns Park would probably make a better choice of control point. It's not an actual town, but it's the name of the valley where 318 ends and is commonly used to describe that isolated region along the Utah-Colorado border. 318 is only the fastest way to Rock Springs if you're one of the 100 people who live along US 40 between Dinosaur and Craig, which means anyone using 318 to get to Rock Springs is going to be a local. Browns Park at least has some recreational appeal with the wildlife refuge and Dinosaur National Monument up that direction.

What's more curious is why WYO 430 is numbered the way it is. The x30 number implies that it's supposed to be somewhat of a major corridor (like WYO 130, 230, and 530) - otherwise, it would have a 37x number like the other minor state highways in Sweetwater County. Perhaps there was some sort of plan for a Rock Springs-Craig direct route that Colorado backed out of or wasn't interested in.

It's a "spur" of US30, just like WY130 and WY230 in the southern part of the state.  Just like WY789 is a "spur" of US89.

Chris

[1995hoo]

US-219 is considerably worse on its washboard segment between I-86 and the Pennsylvania state line than it is once you cross into Pennsylvania. I've only been on that road southbound, last June on my way home from Toronto, but the northbound side doesn't look too good either in Street View. (The image below has the camera looking north on the southbound carriageway. Pan it around 180° and click south a bit and you'll hit Pennsylvania.)

Heck, the pavement quality is worse in PA on almost any road that crosses into it.  At the very minimum, roads with wide shoulders in the adjoining state disappear when you cross into PA.

1995hoo said the opposite.

Thank you.

[US 89]

One of the rare times where a state makes sense as a control city?

Well, which one would you use - Utah or Wyoming?

I had no idea most of the Utah portion of Browns Park Road was paved, though. Might make it easier to visit the WY/UT/CO tripoint at some point.

What's more curious is why WYO 430 is numbered the way it is. The x30 number implies that it's supposed to be somewhat of a major corridor (like WYO 130, 230, and 530) - otherwise, it would have a 37x number like the other minor state highways in Sweetwater County. Perhaps there was some sort of plan for a Rock Springs-Craig direct route that Colorado backed out of or wasn't interested in.

It's a "spur" of US30, just like WY130 and WY230 in the southern part of the state.  Just like WY789 is a "spur" of US89.

Well yeah, but most "spurs" of that sort in Wyoming tend to be fairly significant routes. And WYO 789 isn't really a spur of US 89 in the traditional Wyoming sense, since it doesn't junction US 89 or even US 189 or WYO 89. It's more of a relic of a US 789 proposal that was supposed to be a Canada-to-Mexico highway, which would have intersected US 89 in Nogales.

[The Nature Boy]

One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line.  Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs.  Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya.  It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.

That's an extreme example!

Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends at the Utah line.

As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .

What else should be used as a control city? Rock Springs is the only choice.

One of the rare times where a state makes sense as a control city?

Personally, I think states make better control destinations than cities in many cases.  If we were to use I-95 for example, "Florida" is much more relevant than "Miami".  Cities would be more useful where there's a split and 2 interstates go into the same state, such as where 95 and 85 split off.  There, North Carolina isn't as useful, but Durham and Rocky Mount would be more applicable.

I think it depends on whether or not that route is the best way to every point in that state. At that point, I-95 is the best route to virtually any point in Florida at the I-85 interchange so I can see the argument.

There are some iffy cases. At the Portsmouth Traffic Circle, the I-95 control cities are "Maine" and "Massachusetts." Taking I-95 is NOT the best way to get from Portsmouth to much of Western Maine. It IS the best way to get to virtually point in Massachusetts however. I've always thought that Portland, ME and Boston should be the control cities at that intersection.