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Significant pavement quality changes when crossing a jurisdiction boundary

Started by SeriesE, July 12, 2020, 05:25:30 PM

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SeriesE

What are some examples of significant pavement quality changes when crossing a town/city/county/state line?


Rothman

Quote from: SeriesE on July 12, 2020, 05:25:30 PM
What are some examples of significant pavement quality changes when crossing a town/city/county/state line?
Used to be that crossing into the Seneca Nation meant suddenly hitting rough concrete.  I think the sections on the Thruway and I-86 have finally been repaired.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

tallfull

Last year, when pulling a travel trailer on vacation, I was surprised by how bad the pavement got on I-70 as soon as we crossed into Colorado, compared to how good it was in Kansas. In fact, I was surprised by how bad the roads were throughout Colorado. And I'm from Michigan, so I know something about bad roads.

Max Rockatansky

Sign County Route J1 heading from Fresno County west into San Benito County.  Fresno County repaved their segment on Little Panoche Road, San Benito let their segment go to hell for decades.  I'd rate J1 on Panoche Road in San Benito County as probably the worst asphalt surface I've ever driven.

KCRoadFan

Living in KC, I can tell that the roads in the city often seem to be worse quality than those in the various Kansas suburbs - sometimes substantially so.

wriddle082

When you cross from the City of Norfolk to the City of Virginia Beach on US 58 (Virginia Beach Blvd), the roadway changes from a rough four-lane divided with frontage roads to a smoother eight-lane divided with no frontage roads.  I suspect the Virginia Beach section was once the same configuration as the Norfolk section prior to a rebuild.

US 89

As a general rule, crossing into New Mexico is marked by a significant decrease in pavement quality. And that might be your only clue you're in another state - when I last took US 491 into NM, pavement quality instantly dropped at the line but the "Welcome to New Mexico"  sign did not appear for at least another mile.

SeriesE

For I-15 and I-80, it used to be that the California side is way rougher than the Nevada side. Not sure if it has changed recently though.


Here's another example found while browsing on Google Maps:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9070926,-117.8897966,3a,75y,175.39h,83.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suMcnCoqFGLTa7SAj1WLE4A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The rough side is Fullerton, CA and the smooth side is Brea, CA.

Bruce

Unintentional one: I-5 northbound from King to Snohomish county. WSDOT recently repaved the section beginning at the county line.
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Max Rockatansky

One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line.  Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs.  Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya.  It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is. 

SeriesE

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line.  Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs.  Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya.  It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.

That's an extreme example!

DJ Particle

Quote from: Rothman on July 12, 2020, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on July 12, 2020, 05:25:30 PM
What are some examples of significant pavement quality changes when crossing a town/city/county/state line?
Used to be that crossing into the Seneca Nation meant suddenly hitting rough concrete.  I think the sections on the Thruway and I-86 have finally been repaired.

Oh jeez... flashbacks to I-86 in the very early 1990s in Binghamton and points west....

*ka-THUNK ka-THUNK ka-THUNK ka-THUNK ka-THUNK ka-THUNK*  🤣

hbelkins

Happens frequently in Kentucky, where resurfacing contracts often start at county lines.
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1995hoo

US-219 is considerably worse on its washboard segment between I-86 and the Pennsylvania state line than it is once you cross into Pennsylvania. I've only been on that road southbound, last June on my way home from Toronto, but the northbound side doesn't look too good either in Street View. (The image below has the camera looking north on the southbound carriageway. Pan it around 180° and click south a bit and you'll hit Pennsylvania.)

https://goo.gl/maps/c4Xin5wzJMa9GV9BA


I've also found it striking how much the pavement on northbound US-29 changes when you cross from North Carolina into Virginia, although the road is less of a washboard than US-219 is.

https://goo.gl/maps/BoagNM1P6fdsGpzM8
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Brandon

Wisconsin to IDOT to ISHTA used to be very noticeable at one time on I-94.  WisDOT was fairly smooth, then you'd hit the bumps, patches, and rutting of the mile of I-94 that IDOT took care of.  Then you'd get on the fairly smooth tollway after that.  After I-94 was widened, the pavement quality drastically improved.
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jeffandnicole

Quote from: 1995hoo on July 14, 2020, 12:30:38 PM
US-219 is considerably worse on its washboard segment between I-86 and the Pennsylvania state line than it is once you cross into Pennsylvania. I've only been on that road southbound, last June on my way home from Toronto, but the northbound side doesn't look too good either in Street View. (The image below has the camera looking north on the southbound carriageway. Pan it around 180° and click south a bit and you'll hit Pennsylvania.)

Heck, the pavement quality is worse in PA on almost any road that crosses into it.  At the very minimum, roads with wide shoulders in the adjoining state disappear when you cross into PA.

hotdogPi

Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 14, 2020, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 14, 2020, 12:30:38 PM
US-219 is considerably worse on its washboard segment between I-86 and the Pennsylvania state line than it is once you cross into Pennsylvania. I've only been on that road southbound, last June on my way home from Toronto, but the northbound side doesn't look too good either in Street View. (The image below has the camera looking north on the southbound carriageway. Pan it around 180° and click south a bit and you'll hit Pennsylvania.)

Heck, the pavement quality is worse in PA on almost any road that crosses into it.  At the very minimum, roads with wide shoulders in the adjoining state disappear when you cross into PA.

1995hoo said the opposite.
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Scott5114

Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line.  Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs.  Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya.  It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.

That's an extreme example!

Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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zzcarp

Quote from: Scott5114 on July 14, 2020, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line.  Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs.  Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya.  It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.

That's an extreme example!

Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends at the Utah line.
So many miles and so many roads

corco

Quote from: zzcarp on July 14, 2020, 07:38:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 14, 2020, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line.  Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs.  Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya.  It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.

That's an extreme example!

Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends at the Utah line.

As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .


thspfc

Quote from: corco on July 14, 2020, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on July 14, 2020, 07:38:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 14, 2020, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line.  Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs.  Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya.  It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.

That's an extreme example!

Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends at the Utah line.

As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .
What else should be used as a control city? Rock Springs is the only choice.

MrManlet


US 89

Quote from: thspfc on July 14, 2020, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: corco on July 14, 2020, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on July 14, 2020, 07:38:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 14, 2020, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line.  Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs.  Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya.  It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.

That's an extreme example!

Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends at the Utah line.

As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .
What else should be used as a control city? Rock Springs is the only choice.

Browns Park would probably make a better choice of control point. It's not an actual town, but it's the name of the valley where 318 ends and is commonly used to describe that isolated region along the Utah-Colorado border. 318 is only the fastest way to Rock Springs if you're one of the 100 people who live along US 40 between Dinosaur and Craig, which means anyone using 318 to get to Rock Springs is going to be a local. Browns Park at least has some recreational appeal with the wildlife refuge and Dinosaur National Monument up that direction.

What's more curious is why WYO 430 is numbered the way it is. The x30 number implies that it's supposed to be somewhat of a major corridor (like WYO 130, 230, and 530) - otherwise, it would have a 37x number like the other minor state highways in Sweetwater County. Perhaps there was some sort of plan for a Rock Springs-Craig direct route that Colorado backed out of or wasn't interested in.

The Nature Boy

Quote from: thspfc on July 14, 2020, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: corco on July 14, 2020, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on July 14, 2020, 07:38:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 14, 2020, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line.  Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs.  Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya.  It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.

That's an extreme example!

Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends at the Utah line.

As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .
What else should be used as a control city? Rock Springs is the only choice.

One of the rare times where a state makes sense as a control city?

jeffandnicole

Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 15, 2020, 09:19:35 AM
Quote from: thspfc on July 14, 2020, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: corco on July 14, 2020, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on July 14, 2020, 07:38:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 14, 2020, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line.  Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs.  Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya.  It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.

That's an extreme example!

Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends at the Utah line.

As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .
What else should be used as a control city? Rock Springs is the only choice.

One of the rare times where a state makes sense as a control city?

Personally, I think states make better control destinations than cities in many cases.  If we were to use I-95 for example, "Florida" is much more relevant than "Miami".  Cities would be more useful where there's a split and 2 interstates go into the same state, such as where 95 and 85 split off.  There, North Carolina isn't as useful, but Durham and Rocky Mount would be more applicable.



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