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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2225 on: December 18, 2018, 12:18:33 AM »

Question: Why is NC so strict with the 70 MPH Speed Limit?  I feel it's almost as bad as my old home state of Maryland!!  I was driving on I-73 in NW Guilford County yesterday (from PTI to US 220) and it is 100% rural, yet it's only 65 MPH.  The Monroe Bypass is 65 MPH yet it's also VERY rural.

I will say that the I-140 bypass around Wilmington used to be 65 MPH, but then around 2012 it was increased to 70 MPH.  So maybe NC has a habit of setting freeways at 65 and then 5-10 years later, set them at 70 MPH?

Also, most of I-40 from Asheville to Durham is also 65, yet I think 70 would be okay, except for the short urban areas of Statesville, W/S & Greensboro.

Should they really sign these roads at 65 MPH? or is this just collusion between NCDOT and local Sheriff's Depts to get more revenue?, if most people drive 80+ we can get more $ for 80 in a 65 than we would if they were only going 80 in a 70 MPH zone.





I am not sure why some areas are only 65 wile others are 70. I would guess that NCDOT doesn't feel like the roads with 65 mph speed limits are up to standard.
It certainly isn't because of the highlighted part above. Anything more than 15 mph over the limit or anything over 80 MPH are both Class 3 Misdemeanor offenses rather than simple traffic infractions and carry the same fines/penalties {NCGS 20-141(j1)} 
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2226 on: December 18, 2018, 12:30:18 AM »

Here in PA, the Turnpike is 70 mph almost in its entirety. By that standard, almost every suburban and rural freeway in NC should be 70 or higher.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2227 on: December 18, 2018, 12:33:26 AM »

Yeah, but the vast majority of freeways in Pennsylvania are 65 MPH and frustratingly 55 MPH just because you happen to be near any populated area.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2228 on: December 18, 2018, 06:15:20 AM »

The document to assign I-285 is from 2/1/18 and does NOT mention the truncation of I-85 Business on its overlap - https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2018_02_01.pdf

Was this something that people were expecting to happen? It seems silly if the southern section is to remain Business 85, since they'd probably sign "To Business 85" at the southern end of I-285 anyway.


Upthread it was noted that 285 shields were replacing 85 Bus shields so I made it a point to document it doesn't mean 85 Bus is being removed.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2229 on: December 18, 2018, 06:40:54 AM »

Here in PA, the Turnpike is 70 mph almost in its entirety. By that standard, almost every suburban and rural freeway in NC should be 70 or higher.

The last thing needed is to utilize the PA Turnpike as any kind of standard of how freeways should be designed and operated.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2230 on: December 18, 2018, 10:39:36 AM »

Here in PA, the Turnpike is 70 mph almost in its entirety. By that standard, almost every suburban and rural freeway in NC should be 70 or higher.

The last thing needed is to utilize the PA Turnpike as any kind of standard of how freeways should be designed and operated.

My point is that the majority of the PA Turnpike can easily be safely driven at 80 mph. Traffic flow around the Philadelphia area (though this part is straighter) can exceed 85 at times. I'm not saying the Turnpike is a model of good standards or that I-40 and Business 85 US 29/70 through Greensboro should be posted 70. :P
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2231 on: December 18, 2018, 10:43:05 AM »

Here in PA, the Turnpike is 70 mph almost in its entirety. By that standard, almost every suburban and rural freeway in NC should be 70 or higher.
The last thing needed is to utilize the PA Turnpike as any kind of standard of how freeways should be designed and operated.
My point is that the majority of the PA Turnpike can easily be safely driven at 80 mph. Traffic flow around the Philadelphia area (though this part is straighter) can exceed 85 at times. I'm not saying the Turnpike is a model of good standards or that I-40 and Business 85 US 29/70 through Greensboro should be posted 70. :P

Speedaholics make all kinds of claims about how fast they can drive safely.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2232 on: December 18, 2018, 12:12:13 PM »

The document to assign I-285 is from 2/1/18 and does NOT mention the truncation of I-85 Business on its overlap - https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2018_02_01.pdf

Was this something that people were expecting to happen? It seems silly if the southern section is to remain Business 85, since they'd probably sign "To Business 85" at the southern end of I-285 anyway.

Also, when are the Business 85 shields expected to be removed?

The Interstate Business routes have been downgraded for some time now. Since I-85 was widen between Salisbury and Lexington, they purposely kept I-85 Business off the overhead signs and gave it one measly side sign saying it's also there. With I-40 Business being phased out in two years and now the north section of I-85 Business being removed, it is only a matter of time before the rest of I-85 Business is removed and maybe even remove I-95 Business... thus eliminating them all.

I suspect signage will change in the coming months. The real question is which US Highway, US 29 or US 70, will become the mainline for the freeway stretch between I-85 and I-40 in Greensboro.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2233 on: December 18, 2018, 12:16:53 PM »

The Interstate Business routes have been downgraded for some time now. Since I-85 was widen between Salisbury and Lexington, they purposely kept I-85 Business off the overhead signs and gave it one measly side sign saying it's also there. With I-40 Business being phased out in two years and now the north section of I-85 Business being removed, it is only a matter of time before the rest of I-85 Business is removed and maybe even remove I-95 Business... thus eliminating them all.

That would be fine with me.  Nowadays I don't really see the need for Interstate Business Routes.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2234 on: December 18, 2018, 12:34:11 PM »

I suspect signage will change in the coming months. The real question is which US Highway, US 29 or US 70, will become the mainline for the freeway stretch between I-85 and I-40 in Greensboro.
Why would either be moved off the mainline?
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2235 on: December 18, 2018, 01:14:36 PM »

The document to assign I-285 is from 2/1/18 and does NOT mention the truncation of I-85 Business on its overlap - https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2018_02_01.pdf

Was this something that people were expecting to happen? It seems silly if the southern section is to remain Business 85, since they'd probably sign "To Business 85" at the southern end of I-285 anyway.

Also, when are the Business 85 shields expected to be removed?

The Interstate Business routes have been downgraded for some time now. Since I-85 was widen between Salisbury and Lexington, they purposely kept I-85 Business off the overhead signs and gave it one measly side sign saying it's also there. With I-40 Business being phased out in two years and now the north section of I-85 Business being removed, it is only a matter of time before the rest of I-85 Business is removed and maybe even remove I-95 Business... thus eliminating them all.

I suspect signage will change in the coming months. The real question is which US Highway, US 29 or US 70, will become the mainline for the freeway stretch between I-85 and I-40 in Greensboro.
US 29 if I had to guess since it already has exit numbers between Greensboro and Danville. I realize 70 does as well but you dont see them until you get to Durham.


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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2236 on: December 18, 2018, 05:08:39 PM »

I suspect signage will change in the coming months. The real question is which US Highway, US 29 or US 70, will become the mainline for the freeway stretch between I-85 and I-40 in Greensboro.
Why would either be moved off the mainline?

You misunderstood, which of the US Highways will be used for mile markers and exits. You see this all over when two or more routes on the same road, only one gets to be priority.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2237 on: December 18, 2018, 05:14:22 PM »

I suspect signage will change in the coming months. The real question is which US Highway, US 29 or US 70, will become the mainline for the freeway stretch between I-85 and I-40 in Greensboro.
Why would either be moved off the mainline?

You misunderstood, which of the US Highways will be used for mile markers and exits. You see this all over when two or more routes on the same road, only one gets to be priority.

If NCDOT operates like PennDOT in this regard, it will be US 29. Is 29 used as the primary route on the expressway between I-40 and Wendover Avenue?
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« Reply #2238 on: December 18, 2018, 05:45:58 PM »

I suspect signage will change in the coming months. The real question is which US Highway, US 29 or US 70, will become the mainline for the freeway stretch between I-85 and I-40 in Greensboro.
Why would either be moved off the mainline?

You misunderstood, which of the US Highways will be used for mile markers and exits. You see this all over when two or more routes on the same road, only one gets to be priority.

If NCDOT operates like PennDOT in this regard, it will be US 29. Is 29 used as the primary route on the expressway between I-40 and Wendover Avenue?

That stretch of road needs a signage update, because currently there is no identified primary route (i.e. no mile markers/exit numbers).  :-/
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2239 on: December 18, 2018, 05:48:24 PM »

I suspect signage will change in the coming months. The real question is which US Highway, US 29 or US 70, will become the mainline for the freeway stretch between I-85 and I-40 in Greensboro.
Why would either be moved off the mainline?

You misunderstood, which of the US Highways will be used for mile markers and exits. You see this all over when two or more routes on the same road, only one gets to be priority.

US 29 will be the priority, so the exit numbers will follow US 29's mileage.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2240 on: December 18, 2018, 09:44:28 PM »

I suspect signage will change in the coming months. The real question is which US Highway, US 29 or US 70, will become the mainline for the freeway stretch between I-85 and I-40 in Greensboro.
Why would either be moved off the mainline?

You misunderstood, which of the US Highways will be used for mile markers and exits. You see this all over when two or more routes on the same road, only one gets to be priority.
US 29 will be the priority, so the exit numbers will follow US 29's mileage.
Based on the US 29 mileage listed in Wikipedia, these could be the new exit numbers, south to north:
I-85/I-73/US 421 North (SB)        123
Holden Road                                124
US 220                                       125A/B
Rehobeth Ch Rd/Vandalia Rd        125C

US 29 currently has no exit numbers from I-40 to I-785 (135) and then beyond Hicone Rd (136) to Bus. 29 in Reidsville (149).

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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2241 on: December 19, 2018, 07:11:56 AM »

I suspect signage will change in the coming months. The real question is which US Highway, US 29 or US 70, will become the mainline for the freeway stretch between I-85 and I-40 in Greensboro.
Why would either be moved off the mainline?

You misunderstood, which of the US Highways will be used for mile markers and exits. You see this all over when two or more routes on the same road, only one gets to be priority.
US 29 will be the priority, so the exit numbers will follow US 29's mileage.
Based on the US 29 mileage listed in Wikipedia, these could be the new exit numbers, south to north:
I-85/I-73/US 421 North (SB)        123
Holden Road                                124
US 220                                       125A/B
Rehobeth Ch Rd/Vandalia Rd        125C

US 29 currently has no exit numbers from I-40 to I-785 (135) and then beyond Hicone Rd (136) to Bus. 29 in Reidsville (149).
Theyd only be 3 off from the original numbers


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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2242 on: December 20, 2018, 04:01:17 PM »

Toll rate increase for the Triangle Expressway effective January 1.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-12-20-triex-toll-rate-increase.aspx
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2243 on: December 27, 2018, 10:01:12 PM »

PLEASE JOIN ME IN CONTACTING NCDOT REGARDING THESE TWO ISSUES:

1) Once excellent quality standards are in decline. Raleigh's Fortify project has sloppy overhead signs that are already starting to sag (cantilevered Lake Wheeler overhead that yellow "exit only" switches border color making it look patched.) I know this is the federal standard but matching white border looks better and is accepted.

The Beltline overheads are faded and need replacing but if they're going to be sloppy, I'd rather keep the faded perfect-quality ones.


2) Request more signal upgrades using mast-arm poles. NCDOT manages most signals even in cities. They defended one mast-arm replacement in Raleigh's five-points neighborhood so hard, that it's apparent that mast-arm poles are seen as an indulgent use of funds.


Meanwhile every other state is aggressively installing mast-arm poles, and Raleigh will soon be sagging-wire signal capital of the world. They look horrible and sloppy.
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« Reply #2244 on: December 27, 2018, 11:04:41 PM »

PLEASE JOIN ME IN CONTACTING NCDOT REGARDING THESE TWO ISSUES:

1) Once excellent quality standards are in decline. Raleigh's Fortify project has sloppy overhead signs that are already starting to sag (cantilevered Lake Wheeler overhead that yellow "exit only" switches border color making it look patched.) I know this is the federal standard but matching white border looks better and is accepted.

The Beltline overheads are faded and need replacing but if they're going to be sloppy, I'd rather keep the faded perfect-quality ones.


2) Request more signal upgrades using mast-arm poles. NCDOT manages most signals even in cities. They defended one mast-arm replacement in Raleigh's five-points neighborhood so hard, that it's apparent that mast-arm poles are seen as an indulgent use of funds.


Meanwhile every other state is aggressively installing mast-arm poles, and Raleigh will soon be sagging-wire signal capital of the world. They look horrible and sloppy.

The signs along the Fortify Project were, it seems, somewhat of an afterthought. Most were replaced in kind, even though some were outdated (such as the signage for South Saunders Street North which doesn't have references to US 70/US 401/NC 50 since the prior signs did not have them either). They also decided to put up signs for the I-440 exit eastbound without I-87 shields because they were designed prior to that designation, they are to be replaced again by next summer. 

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« Reply #2245 on: December 28, 2018, 01:29:11 PM »

According to this tidbit in the Rocky Mount Telegram, NCDOT is planning to rebuild the Gold Rock interchange (Exit 145) on I-95.

http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/News/2018/12/28/Local-man-keeps-state-board-seat.html

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« Reply #2246 on: December 29, 2018, 09:37:36 PM »

PLEASE JOIN ME IN CONTACTING NCDOT REGARDING THESE TWO ISSUES:

1) Once excellent quality standards are in decline. Raleigh's Fortify project has sloppy overhead signs that are already starting to sag (cantilevered Lake Wheeler overhead that yellow "exit only" switches border color making it look patched.) I know this is the federal standard but matching white border looks better and is accepted.

The Beltline overheads are faded and need replacing but if they're going to be sloppy, I'd rather keep the faded perfect-quality ones.


2) Request more signal upgrades using mast-arm poles. NCDOT manages most signals even in cities. They defended one mast-arm replacement in Raleigh's five-points neighborhood so hard, that it's apparent that mast-arm poles are seen as an indulgent use of funds.


Meanwhile every other state is aggressively installing mast-arm poles, and Raleigh will soon be sagging-wire signal capital of the world. They look horrible and sloppy.

The signs along the Fortify Project were, it seems, somewhat of an afterthought. Most were replaced in kind, even though some were outdated (such as the signage for South Saunders Street North which doesn't have references to US 70/US 401/NC 50 since the prior signs did not have them either). They also decided to put up signs for the I-440 exit eastbound without I-87 shields because they were designed prior to that designation, they are to be replaced again by next summer. 

Please contact them on their website.

I feel like some transplants are in charge of NCDOT now, and they don't prioritize high standards which NC has been known for.

They haven't replied to my multi-issue email from 3 months ago, formerly I'd get prompt reply.
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« Reply #2247 on: December 29, 2018, 09:44:06 PM »

Is there a way to find out if a contract is in default?  It's seems the progress for paving I 40 from exit 119 to exit 94 has gone horribly off schedule.
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« Reply #2248 on: December 29, 2018, 10:09:55 PM »

Is there a way to find out if a contract is in default?  It's seems the progress for paving I 40 from exit 119 to exit 94 has gone horribly off schedule.
If you're talking about Contract No. 204056, paving along I-40 from MM 32.95 to MM 119.13, the NCDOT Construction Progress Report lists it as behind its projected completion rate (39% vs. 48% as of Dec. 15) and that the project currently has a cost overrun of 1.8%. The completion date has been changed from July 1 to Nov. 15, 2020.

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« Reply #2249 on: December 29, 2018, 10:23:26 PM »

Strange because they ground downtown the 1950's slabs back in June, but paving has been spotty since with only the westbound lanes from 119 to 105 completed.  New logo signage and the new sheilded mileposts are up, but I was hoping for new BGS's as well.
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