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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2150 on: November 09, 2018, 02:37:47 PM »

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-11-09-this-week-ncdot.aspx

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U.S. 421 Reopening

The Department of Transportation has reopened a key route to and from the Wilmington area following severe damage from Hurricane Florence. U.S. 421, which runs parallel to Interstate 40 in southeastern North Carolina, received the most damage of any state road when the storm hit in September.

Knowing the critical need to quickly restore traffic on this route, NCDOT installed a temporary bridge on one side of the road, with a single lane in each direction. This allows drivers to get through the area while planning and construction of two new bridges at the site takes place.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2151 on: November 13, 2018, 09:43:03 AM »

The Record of Decision for building a tolled Mid-Currituck Bridge has been delayed.

http://www.reflector.com/News/2018/11/13/ROD-of-decision-on-Mid-Currituck-Bridge-still-not-ready.html
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2152 on: November 13, 2018, 04:46:26 PM »

The Record of Decision for building a tolled Mid-Currituck Bridge has been delayed.

http://www.reflector.com/News/2018/11/13/ROD-of-decision-on-Mid-Currituck-Bridge-still-not-ready.html

The picture dictates there will be a “toll plaza,” so is it safe to say it will be different than the free flowing NC 540 and US 74 tolled roads? They should stay consistent IMHO and design it the same way as its Raleigh and Charlotte freeways :-]
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2153 on: November 13, 2018, 06:09:32 PM »

The Record of Decision for building a tolled Mid-Currituck Bridge has been delayed.

http://www.reflector.com/News/2018/11/13/ROD-of-decision-on-Mid-Currituck-Bridge-still-not-ready.html

The picture dictates there will be a “toll plaza,” so is it safe to say it will be different than the free flowing NC 540 and US 74 tolled roads? They should stay consistent IMHO and design it the same way as its Raleigh and Charlotte freeways :-]
Just guessing now: it may be that they're expecting a larger fraction of drivers to be tourists coming from places that don't have toll roads.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2154 on: November 14, 2018, 05:19:17 PM »

The Record of Decision for building a tolled Mid-Currituck Bridge has been delayed.

http://www.reflector.com/News/2018/11/13/ROD-of-decision-on-Mid-Currituck-Bridge-still-not-ready.html

The picture dictates there will be a “toll plaza,” so is it safe to say it will be different than the free flowing NC 540 and US 74 tolled roads? They should stay consistent IMHO and design it the same way as its Raleigh and Charlotte freeways :-]
Just guessing now: it may be that they're expecting a larger fraction of drivers to be tourists coming from places that don't have toll roads.

The past few times I've been to the OBX it has seemed like the majority of license plates have been MD, NJ, NY, OH, and PA. I'm not sure what sort of costs are associated with out-of-state billing.

I suspect all of the cameras, sensors, lights, etc. required for electronic tolling won't hold up so well to the salt, wind and nor'easters.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2155 on: November 14, 2018, 05:25:08 PM »


I suspect all of the cameras, sensors, lights, etc. required for electronic tolling won't hold up so well to the salt, wind and nor'easters.

That's a great point!
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2156 on: November 15, 2018, 11:29:30 AM »


I suspect all of the cameras, sensors, lights, etc. required for electronic tolling won't hold up so well to the salt, wind and nor'easters.

That's a great point!

Nonsense. They have EZ Pass on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel.

The fact that most of their tourists are coming from further north only adds merit to electronic toll collection; specifically, EZ Pass compatible.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2157 on: November 15, 2018, 12:28:36 PM »


I suspect all of the cameras, sensors, lights, etc. required for electronic tolling won't hold up so well to the salt, wind and nor'easters.

That's a great point!

Nonsense. They have EZ Pass on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel.

The fact that most of their tourists are coming from further north only adds merit to electronic toll collection; specifically, EZ Pass compatible.

I'm not referring to E-ZPass at a covered toll plaza. I mean the exposed gantries like you see on the Triangle Expressway and will see on the Monroe Expressway.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2158 on: November 15, 2018, 01:34:18 PM »


I suspect all of the cameras, sensors, lights, etc. required for electronic tolling won't hold up so well to the salt, wind and nor'easters.

That's a great point!

Nonsense. They have EZ Pass on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel.

The fact that most of their tourists are coming from further north only adds merit to electronic toll collection; specifically, EZ Pass compatible.

I'm not referring to E-ZPass at a covered toll plaza. I mean the exposed gantries like you see on the Triangle Expressway and will see on the Monroe Expressway.

The fly in that ointment is that such "exposed gantries" exist in Delaware, New Jersey, New York, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts.  Elsewhere in Hampton Roads, too.  So your argument still doesn't really hold water.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2159 on: November 15, 2018, 02:24:28 PM »

First off, the start/end of the new route is at an intersection so traffic will need to stop anyway.  Would open-road tolling add much value if traffic is slow/stopped already anyway?  Secondly, out-of-state tolling with the cameras is cost-prohibitive.  IIRC North Carolina is only able to collect from states where they have an agreement in place.  540 and the Monroe bypass will be primarily local traffic; the Currituck bridge would have a lot more tourist traffic from out of state.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2160 on: November 15, 2018, 02:34:59 PM »

First off, the start/end of the new route is at an intersection so traffic will need to stop anyway.  Would open-road tolling add much value if traffic is slow/stopped already anyway?  Secondly, out-of-state tolling with the cameras is cost-prohibitive.  IIRC North Carolina is only able to collect from states where they have an agreement in place.  540 and the Monroe bypass will be primarily local traffic; the Currituck bridge would have a lot more tourist traffic from out of state.
...almost all of which would come from EZ-Pass states. In fact, since I assume any tolling plaza built would support NC Quick Pass, the closest state without a compliant transponder would be Tennessee. I dunno if they should use only Open-Road Tolling for this bridge, but this argument against it doesn't hold water.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2161 on: November 15, 2018, 04:43:19 PM »

First off, the start/end of the new route is at an intersection so traffic will need to stop anyway.  Would open-road tolling add much value if traffic is slow/stopped already anyway?  Secondly, out-of-state tolling with the cameras is cost-prohibitive.  IIRC North Carolina is only able to collect from states where they have an agreement in place.  540 and the Monroe bypass will be primarily local traffic; the Currituck bridge would have a lot more tourist traffic from out of state.

One would think that NC 540, being in a location ("Research Triangle") that draws visitors from just about everywhere, would be a prime location to install OTR systems compatible with as many variations as possible.  And while the main purpose of the US 74 Monroe bypass is initially as eastern egress to and from metro Charlotte, when the Shelby bypass is finished to the west along US 74, it'll probably be used as part of a "shortcut" from the Asheville area (and points west along I-26 and I-40) to the coast, cutting time and mileage off a strictly I-40 routing.  It, too, would benefit from maximum OTR compatibility -- better sooner than later! 
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2162 on: November 15, 2018, 04:46:53 PM »

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Secondly, out-of-state tolling with the cameras is cost-prohibitive.

Really?  Tell that to MdTA (MD 200/ICC) or MassDOT (I-90/Mass Pike)...
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #2163 on: November 15, 2018, 05:53:48 PM »


I suspect all of the cameras, sensors, lights, etc. required for electronic tolling won't hold up so well to the salt, wind and nor'easters.

That's a great point!

Nonsense. They have EZ Pass on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel.

The fact that most of their tourists are coming from further north only adds merit to electronic toll collection; specifically, EZ Pass compatible.

I'm not referring to E-ZPass at a covered toll plaza. I mean the exposed gantries like you see on the Triangle Expressway and will see on the Monroe Expressway.

The fly in that ointment is that such "exposed gantries" exist in Delaware, New Jersey, New York, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts.  Elsewhere in Hampton Roads, too.  So your argument still doesn't really hold water.

Relax. I'm only suggesting a possible reason why North Carolina isn't implementing the same all-electronic tolling system they're using on all of their other toll roads in the state. There's nothing indicating that there won't be dedicated NC Quick Pass/E-ZPass lanes at the toll plaza (like at the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel toll plazas, and practically everywhere else).
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