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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1300 on: October 26, 2019, 02:55:49 PM »

Were there ever any fanciful plans to expand Route 16 west of I 93? The 1960 overpasses over Main St. (Mass. 38) and 93 are really overbuilt, even with evening backups, and the one over Main St has pavement actually closed off by guardrail.



Could that freeway stub would had been part of the cancelled Inner beltway? http://www.bostonroads.com/roads/inner-belt/

No, the Inner Beltway would have ended here where the ramps to Storrow Drive now tie in.

I know, thatís something else entirely.
Interesting.  The only other thing I can think of is that its striped for channelizing down to one lane.  MassDOT also does this on I-91 NB prior to the US 5 multiplex, going from three lanes to two by striping out the right lane.

Another thought:  just looking around on Maps, perhaps there was a plan to make the Alewife Brook Pkwy limited-access, or an extension of MA 2 to I-93.  There is a sizable strip of land to the left of the Alewife, maybe that was ROW set aside for another carriageway.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1301 on: October 28, 2019, 09:22:28 AM »

Another thought:  just looking around on Maps, perhaps there was a plan to make the Alewife Brook Pkwy limited-access, or an extension of MA 2 to I-93.  There is a sizable strip of land to the left of the Alewife, maybe that was ROW set aside for another carriageway.
What you're describing is the cancelled Route 2 Connector, east of the Alewife Station.  Such would've gone roughly a few miles to the cancelled I-695/Inner Belt which would've connected to I-93.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1302 on: October 30, 2019, 01:48:14 PM »

Another thought:  just looking around on Maps, perhaps there was a plan to make the Alewife Brook Pkwy limited-access, or an extension of MA 2 to I-93.  There is a sizable strip of land to the left of the Alewife, maybe that was ROW set aside for another carriageway.
What you're describing is the cancelled Route 2 Connector, east of the Alewife Station.  Such would've gone roughly a few miles to the cancelled I-695/Inner Belt which would've connected to I-93.
So I came across this website...
https://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/2007/07/unbuilt-highways/
It's essentially some guy who mapped out (using Google Maps) unbuilt highways in various cities, Boston being on of them. He based the map off of a website called Boston's Cancelled Highways, the link to that site is now unfortunately long dead (redirects to Aol). What's interesting is that the map shows a Mystic Valley Expressway, connecting route 2 to 93 along the existing parkway, and the article mentions it would have been an elevated route. That would seem to explain why the Main st overpass is overbuilt. However, lots of Google searching has turned up nothing about a Mystic Valley Expressway, and without his original source to check out, who knows if there was ever actually such a plan in mind? Anyone ever heard of such a thing or have any thoughts?

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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1303 on: October 30, 2019, 09:46:36 PM »

I'm not sure how accurate those maps are, or at least Albany.  I'm pretty sure I-88 was supposed to follow what's now NY 7 between I-87 and Troy, for example.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1304 on: October 31, 2019, 10:20:08 AM »

I'm not sure how accurate those maps are, or at least Albany.  I'm pretty sure I-88 was supposed to follow what's now NY 7 between I-87 and Troy, for example.
I can't vouch for the accuracy of other areas but Boston's seems to be fairly accurate, its got all the well known unbuilt highways. The precise routing isn't exact (some routes didn't even have detailed plans laid out, such as the Mid-Circumfrential Highway) but it gives a good idea of the corridor the highway would take.

The only think kinda murky with Boston is the alleged Mystic Valley Expressway...
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1305 on: October 31, 2019, 11:35:52 AM »

I'm not sure how accurate those maps are, or at least Albany.  I'm pretty sure I-88 was supposed to follow what's now NY 7 between I-87 and Troy, for example.
I can't vouch for the accuracy of other areas but Boston's seems to be fairly accurate, its got all the well known unbuilt highways. The precise routing isn't exact (some routes didn't even have detailed plans laid out, such as the Mid-Circumfrential Highway) but it gives a good idea of the corridor the highway would take.

The only think kinda murky with Boston is the alleged Mystic Valley Expressway...

The 213 routing is a little off, too. He has it as an extension of the Lowell Connector. Likelier, it was supposed to start of US 3 near exit 32 in Chelmsford and cross the Merrimack west of the Rourke Bridge.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1306 on: October 31, 2019, 03:01:44 PM »

I'm not sure how accurate those maps are, or at least Albany.  I'm pretty sure I-88 was supposed to follow what's now NY 7 between I-87 and Troy, for example.
I can't vouch for the accuracy of other areas but Boston's seems to be fairly accurate, its got all the well known unbuilt highways. The precise routing isn't exact (some routes didn't even have detailed plans laid out, such as the Mid-Circumfrential Highway) but it gives a good idea of the corridor the highway would take.

The only think kinda murky with Boston is the alleged Mystic Valley Expressway...

The 213 routing is a little off, too. He has it as an extension of the Lowell Connector. Likelier, it was supposed to start of US 3 near exit 32 in Chelmsford and cross the Merrimack west of the Rourke Bridge.

Actually both may have been correct at one point or another...
http://www.bostonroads.com/history/1968-map_outside-128/
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1307 on: December 22, 2019, 01:04:33 PM »

Here are some photos and a blog write-up of the historic Rocks Village Bridge over the Merrimack River between Haverhill (Rocks Village) and West Newbury, Mass.

https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/12/rocks-village-bridge-over-merrimack.html

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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1309 on: January 14, 2020, 08:18:17 PM »

Between Exit 2 (Lee) and 3 (Westfield). Bad enough there's already about 30 miles between those two interchanges. The reporter simply says "just west of Springfield". That's closer to Pittsfield at that point. Sheesh!
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1310 on: January 29, 2020, 07:51:57 AM »

Just thought of something, and I dunno if anyone else has noticed this about MA-39...

It's a Chatham bypass of MA-28, right?

2+1 = 3
8+1 = 9

I'm willing to bet that was how MA-39 was numbered, wasn't it?   :hmmm:
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1311 on: January 29, 2020, 07:58:20 AM »

Just thought of something, and I dunno if anyone else has noticed this about MA-39...

It's a Chatham bypass of MA-28, right?

2+1 = 3
8+1 = 9

I'm willing to bet that was how MA-39 was numbered, wasn't it?   :hmmm:

Cape Cod canal:
25 + 3 = 28
3 + 3 = 6
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1312 on: January 29, 2020, 08:22:44 AM »

Just thought of something, and I dunno if anyone else has noticed this about MA-39...

It's a Chatham bypass of MA-28, right?

2+1 = 3
8+1 = 9

I'm willing to bet that was how MA-39 was numbered, wasn't it?   :hmmm:

Cape Cod canal:
25 + 3 = 28
3 + 3 = 6
Illuminati confirmed!
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1313 on: January 29, 2020, 06:33:31 PM »

Just thought of something, and I dunno if anyone else has noticed this about MA-39...

It's a Chatham bypass of MA-28, right?

2+1 = 3
8+1 = 9

I'm willing to bet that was how MA-39 was numbered, wasn't it?   :hmmm:

Cape Cod canal:
25 + 3 = 28
3 + 3 = 6
US 6 is numbered in accordance with the grid, so that one is coincidental.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1314 on: January 29, 2020, 08:24:52 PM »

Just thought of something, and I dunno if anyone else has noticed this about MA-39...

It's a Chatham bypass of MA-28, right?

2+1 = 3
8+1 = 9

I'm willing to bet that was how MA-39 was numbered, wasn't it?   :hmmm:

Cape Cod canal:
25 + 3 = 28
3 + 3 = 6
Los Angeles: 5 x 81 = 405
81 = 9 x 9 = 3 x 3 x 3 x 3
Kobe's numbers: 24 and 8
4 = 2^2. 8 = 2^3. reverse that and you have 3^2^2 = 3^4 = 81

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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1315 on: January 29, 2020, 09:54:46 PM »

As Chevy Chase (as Gerald Ford) would say...

"It was my understanding that there would be no math"

 :bigass:

I'm guessing things like that are pure coincidence.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1316 on: January 30, 2020, 07:33:33 PM »

As Chevy Chase (as Gerald Ford) would say...

"It was my understanding that there would be no math"

 :bigass:

I'm guessing things like that are pure coincidence.

Not in Syracuse: I-690 + NY 5 =NY 695. :-)

(Also: NY 8 * 100 + NY 12 = NY 812.)
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1317 on: February 05, 2020, 05:22:58 AM »

Over the past week Route 2 in Lincoln has an increased speed limit from 45 mph to 55 mph between Bedford Road and just past exit 50.It is 55 for about a mile and a half stretch.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1318 on: March 06, 2020, 05:28:17 PM »

MassDOT is reinstating HOV status to the I-93 South lanes that were open to all traffic under a pilot program started in October 2018. Traffic rule changes made at the same time for the South Boston Bypass Road will remain in place:
http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/massdot-highway/massdot-reinstates-hov-lane-from-the-kneeland-streetlincoln-street-area-to-i-93-southbound/

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« Reply #1319 on: March 07, 2020, 03:23:49 PM »

MassDOT is reinstating HOV status to the I-93 South lanes that were open to all traffic under a pilot program started in October 2018. Traffic rule changes made at the same time for the South Boston Bypass Road will remain in place:
http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/massdot-highway/massdot-reinstates-hov-lane-from-the-kneeland-streetlincoln-street-area-to-i-93-southbound/

Iím curious if that lane is part of the state implementation plan under the Clean Air Act as the northside one supposedly is. Not that with todayís EPA thereís any likelihood of enforcement one way or the other.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1320 on: March 26, 2020, 06:09:01 PM »

Two sections of MA 28 in Reading will undergo a pilot Road Diet starting in April:
http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/massdot-highway/reading-main-street-route-28-project-preparation-begins/

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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1321 on: March 26, 2020, 07:40:45 PM »

Two sections of MA 28 in Reading will undergo a pilot Road Diet starting in April:
http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/massdot-highway/reading-main-street-route-28-project-preparation-begins/

That is a good stretch to test it on. The part north of Reading center doesn't have enough traffic to justify its current configuration.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1322 on: March 31, 2020, 04:49:33 PM »

Two sections of MA 28 in Reading will undergo a pilot Road Diet starting in April:
http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/massdot-highway/reading-main-street-route-28-project-preparation-begins/

That is a good stretch to test it on. The part north of Reading center doesn't have enough traffic to justify its current configuration.
How long has that 4-lane stripe configuration been there?  One has to wonder if such predated the existence of I-93.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1323 on: March 31, 2020, 08:37:12 PM »

Two sections of MA 28 in Reading will undergo a pilot Road Diet starting in April:
http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/massdot-highway/reading-main-street-route-28-project-preparation-begins/

That is a good stretch to test it on. The part north of Reading center doesn't have enough traffic to justify its current configuration.
How long has that 4-lane stripe configuration been there?  One has to wonder if such predated the existence of I-93.

Based on historic aerials, looks like between 1969 and 1971 it went from two to four lanes, which is a good few years after 93 was built and opened.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1324 on: April 19, 2020, 04:09:52 PM »

One thing the coronavirus shutdown has given me is time to finish a planned critique of the current Massachusetts highway system and suggestions to fix them, something that I've promised on my Massachusetts highways website for over 5 years. The first draft of the site is at: http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/improvements.html. Feel free to offer any suggestions or comments which I will take into account before a formal launch.

One subject I discuss is better, or at least less confusing, route signage. MA 38 for example. It was truncated to the intersection with MA 28 in Somerville in 1971. In the 1990's, however, signage appeared that implied it extended to Sullivan Square in Charlestown, though no complementary signage was installed in the other direction. Most just assumed the signage was in error. In recent years however, not only was the 1990s era signage replaced with new signs with the same information:


Additional guide and trailblazer signage was installed on and around MA 28:


Still no complementary signage for the other direction though, so where does it end? One of the questions I hope to answer with the new site.

 


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